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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 02:45    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
Sin317 wrote:
why ? Because he has an average of 3.6 kills per minute with a m98b ? ^^

(10hours (rounded up), 2173 kills, only with the M98B)

i do that all the time ^^
Although I've only played a few rounds with you, I've never seen you getting anything close to 51-3 on a map where you have RPG's, point holding switching frequently between teams and vehicles levelling the building where you might be hiding/shooting from.

Add to that the fact that I shot his ass near the end, along with one team-mate, same distance for both. Team-mate died, this guy endured at least half an M27 IAR clip and was at ~33% health so yeah, I call bullshit.

On that round, at least.


guess my obvious sarcasm wasnt so obvious Sad

so just to make it clear :

someone, ANYONE, doing 3-4 kills a minute, with a sniper, constant, over a period of 10 hours, is a cheater.

its just not possible to get that many kills with a sniper. It just isnt.
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 02:50    Post subject:
Hmmm, is that a challenge? Razz


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 02:53    Post subject:
1 kill every 16 seconds over 10 hours ^^

yeah thats a challenge hehe Smile
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 02:56    Post subject:
Well constant over 10 hours is impossible anyway, wait times, respawn times, load times and so on...
I would say that over a course of 10 hours playing maybe the average of 2 kills per min with sniper, should be doable... prolly even 3..


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 02:56    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
tonizito wrote:
Sin317 wrote:
why ? Because he has an average of 3.6 kills per minute with a m98b ? ^^

(10hours (rounded up), 2173 kills, only with the M98B)

i do that all the time ^^
Although I've only played a few rounds with you, I've never seen you getting anything close to 51-3 on a map where you have RPG's, point holding switching frequently between teams and vehicles levelling the building where you might be hiding/shooting from.

Add to that the fact that I shot his ass near the end, along with one team-mate, same distance for both. Team-mate died, this guy endured at least half an M27 IAR clip and was at ~33% health so yeah, I call bullshit.

On that round, at least.


guess my obvious sarcasm wasnt so obvious Sad
Well, since I've really "grown" to hate snipers on the few MP games that I've played to the point of NEVER using the class (except for maybe 2-3 rounds on BC2), then yeah that wasn't obvious for me. Sad


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 03:04    Post subject:
sausje wrote:
Well constant over 10 hours is impossible anyway, wait times, respawn times, load times and so on...
I would say that over a course of 10 hours playing maybe the average of 2 kills per min with sniper, should be doable... prolly even 3..


checking on battlelog through some of the better humpers, its rare people even get 1-1.2 kills per minute , with any kind of weapon, over an extended time (over 2 hours used).

i'd say 1 kill per minute is pretty much good average for an average good player Smile


doubling or trippling that is quite a challenge if you ask me ^^.
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 07:01    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
sausje wrote:
Well constant over 10 hours is impossible anyway, wait times, respawn times, load times and so on...
I would say that over a course of 10 hours playing maybe the average of 2 kills per min with sniper, should be doable... prolly even 3..


checking on battlelog through some of the better humpers, its rare people even get 1-1.2 kills per minute , with any kind of weapon, over an extended time (over 2 hours used).

i'd say 1 kill per minute is pretty much good average for an average good player Smile


doubling or trippling that is quite a challenge if you ask me ^^.


I've got a 2.1 kpm with my weapons... Sad


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 08:04    Post subject:
W123 wrote:
I met my first one too yesterday. Sniping people in the head from way across the map with a supressed F2000 even through buildings.


Now this and getting killed in tanks by snipers... Some of these hacks have "visual kill" function. i.e you kill everyone you see or being spotted by teammates or being shown by WH.

That hints a bad coding by devs to me. Not that I'm saying they suck... that's just... wrong.


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 08:24    Post subject:
Yeah. Happened upon a guy on the canals map just driving around in a boat... as soon as you spawn you die. lol.

I guess this game is destined to be ruined by hax.
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 08:59    Post subject:
Fucking hell, it's as if some of you have never played an online game before Neutral

It's got nothing to do with bad coding, every anti-cheat method can be circumvented. There's a reason no leagues rely on any of these methods though, it's because they're all unreliable. Neither VAC nor PB work perfectly. The only method of truly catching them is by using thirdparty tools that make screenshots and upload them in the background. For smaller leagues that's fine, but even with community fueled reporting that would be far too much work for DICE to handle Smile

I'm just glad there's so few of them here.
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 09:02    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
Fucking hell, it's as if some of you have never played an online game before Neutral

It's got nothing to do with bad coding, every anti-cheat method can be circumvented. There's a reason no leagues rely on any of these methods though, it's because they're all unreliable. Neither VAC nor PB work perfectly. The only method of truly catching them is by using thirdparty tools that make screenshots and upload them in the background. For smaller leagues that's fine, but even with community fueled reporting that would be far too much work for DICE to handle Smile

I'm just glad there's so few of them here.


Exactly, compared to what some of us have seen in other mp games in 2011 this game is relatively clean Wink
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 09:49    Post subject:
I was playing on Sin's CQ NFOhump server y-day and there were at least two cheaters during two rounds of Wake, one I only saw indirectly through people thanking whomever for banning him. The other one had 50 something kills a few seconds into a fresh new round, w/o anyone dying on the other team Very Happy.
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 14:07    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
It's got nothing to do with bad coding,.


Hit registration was client side in the BETA, not sure if it still is, but I thought one way to stop insane mass killings from hackers is to use server side hit registration?

Still wouldn't fix the aimbot and wallhacking though.
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 14:45    Post subject:

<3 BF Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 20:05    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
Fucking hell, it's as if some of you have never played an online game before Neutral
It's got nothing to do with bad coding, every anti-cheat method can be circumvented.


What? I've truly never seen such cheat in any game that you can kill someone through walls or tanks. And I mean games with such regular games not with something like railguns or whatever like that might be.
If you could link some vids, I'd be more than satisfied to see that shit happen elsewhere.
I've really never seen it before. Smile


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 20:28    Post subject:
difm wrote:
Werelds wrote:
Fucking hell, it's as if some of you have never played an online game before Neutral
It's got nothing to do with bad coding, every anti-cheat method can be circumvented.


What? I've truly never seen such cheat in any game that you can kill someone through walls or tanks. And I mean games with such regular games not with something like railguns or whatever like that might be.
If you could link some vids, I'd be more than satisfied to see that shit happen elsewhere.
I've really never seen it before. Smile

Ask and ye shall receive:
- CS:
- CS Source:
- BF2:
- CoD MW:
- CoD BO:

Just a random few. Everything from Quake 2 onwards has had hacks like this, aimbots and wallhacks alike. Battlefield has had this problem, Quake has, Unreal has, Valve's games have - all of them. It is not new, it can never be fully prevented and it will never go away Smile

Actually killing *through* objects depends on the game, not all games have some form of bullet penetration.

Edit: and for the record, *all* of the above had far more cheaters than BF3 has. Almost 139H spent in-game and I've come across a whopping 3 cheaters Smile
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 20:31    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
Ask and ye shall receive:
- CS:
- CS Source:
- BF2:
- CoD MW:
- CoD BO:
Fuck me rigid, the lame songs and editing are almost worst than the hacks themselves. Neutral


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 20:40    Post subject:
Why they also keep making vids like that as if they're cool or something is beyond me... Confused
They're cheating so what's the point of styling, they're not doing it themselves, all it takes is a god damn proggie that's doing it for them. -.-

edit
Ohh wait, saw that some of them are lke commercials...


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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jan 2012 20:42    Post subject:
What do you expect of the sad people who like doing this shit Laughing
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Oh sweet Thor, LMAO!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Jan 2012 02:02    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
difm wrote:
Werelds wrote:
Fucking hell, it's as if some of you have never played an online game before Neutral
It's got nothing to do with bad coding, every anti-cheat method can be circumvented.


What? I've truly never seen such cheat in any game that you can kill someone through walls or tanks. And I mean games with such regular games not with something like railguns or whatever like that might be.
If you could link some vids, I'd be more than satisfied to see that shit happen elsewhere.
I've really never seen it before. Smile

Ask and ye shall receive:
- CS:
- CS Source:
- BF2:
- CoD MW:
- CoD BO:

Just a random few. Everything from Quake 2 onwards has had hacks like this, aimbots and wallhacks alike. Battlefield has had this problem, Quake has, Unreal has, Valve's games have - all of them. It is not new, it can never be fully prevented and it will never go away Smile

Actually killing *through* objects depends on the game, not all games have some form of bullet penetration.

Edit: and for the record, *all* of the above had far more cheaters than BF3 has. Almost 139H spent in-game and I've come across a whopping 3 cheaters Smile


Werelds, he meant to say that according to him someone with a hack can shoot thru objects (tank in his example) in BF3, that this is because of bad coding.
Tho i have never seen a hack that removes colission for bullets in an online fps.


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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Jan 2012 02:23    Post subject:
Neon wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzyXcjqzEw8

Oh sweet Thor, LMAO!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Jan 2012 03:28    Post subject:
sausje wrote:
Werelds wrote:
difm wrote:


What? I've truly never seen such cheat in any game that you can kill someone through walls or tanks. And I mean games with such regular games not with something like railguns or whatever like that might be.
If you could link some vids, I'd be more than satisfied to see that shit happen elsewhere.
I've really never seen it before. Smile

Ask and ye shall receive:
- CS:
- CS Source:
- BF2:
- CoD MW:
- CoD BO:

Just a random few. Everything from Quake 2 onwards has had hacks like this, aimbots and wallhacks alike. Battlefield has had this problem, Quake has, Unreal has, Valve's games have - all of them. It is not new, it can never be fully prevented and it will never go away Smile

Actually killing *through* objects depends on the game, not all games have some form of bullet penetration.

Edit: and for the record, *all* of the above had far more cheaters than BF3 has. Almost 139H spent in-game and I've come across a whopping 3 cheaters Smile


Werelds, he meant to say that according to him someone with a hack can shoot thru objects (tank in his example) in BF3, that this is because of bad coding.
Tho i have never seen a hack that removes colission for bullets in an online fps.


Its called the JFK magic bullet hack ^^.

What i know tho, is, 99% of times, people cry "cheater", there isnt ...
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Jan 2012 10:24    Post subject:
Neon wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzyXcjqzEw8

Oh sweet Thor, LMAO!!!!


Nice Laughing

Sin317 wrote:
What i know tho, is, 99% of times, people cry "cheater", there isnt ...


Yep and 90% of those times it's just server lag doing tricks. 6% for high ping players, 3% for lucky shots and 1% for the l33t kills Razz


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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Jan 2012 11:34    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:

Ask and ye shall receive:
- CS:
- CS Source:
- BF2:
- CoD MW:
- CoD BO:


Actually killing *through* objects depends on the game, not all games have some form of bullet penetration.


I think you misunderstood me. These videos all show penetrable objects. You cant penetrate a tank armor or thick wall with bullets Razz


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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Jan 2012 11:41    Post subject:
Show me a video where that happens in BF3 (retail) and where it really isn't lag? Razz
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Jan 2012 15:53    Post subject:
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What i know tho, is, 99% of times, people cry "cheater", there isnt ...
I cry "camper" a lot. Sad
Unbelievably it seems to be a common practice that is allowed on servers more and more.

But you can't use RPG's, claymores, C4 nononono... which means I end up violating server "rules" all the time.
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Jan 2012 16:40    Post subject:
Haha, nice video Very Happy


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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Jan 2012 16:45    Post subject:
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Haha, nice video Very Happy


dude, its already posted in this very page lol.
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