Any cheap CPU lga775 cooler, pc is hooot?
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2011 17:39    Post subject: Any cheap CPU lga775 cooler, pc is hooot?
Hi guys.... My pc is 4 years old or even more. Its still kicking very well and I am suprised actually.
I think its too early(in my wallet Laughing ) to change any parts(maybe beside getting another 2gb of ram if its even worth it)

Anyway. Iam dusting off my pc often and I take good care of it. And Its god damn loud and hot(warming my room). Even tho Ive replaced cpu silk and dissassembled gpu and dusted it off.

Is it worth getting new cpu cooler? You see my stats in signature. I am overclocking that poor 1,86 to 2,45(with lowest possible vcore working1,3) or even 2,80 on that poor stock cooler, but doesnt really use it for gaming anymore becouse I cant stand the fact that it heats up greatly, if I start up most of games and it turns into a jet.

My temps are: (stock coolers, 2,45cpu, windows7 32bit DESKTOP, sporting some websites in mozilla and watching flash video right(paused hen posting) now(pc is on for 3hours):

both cores 50C(gaming goes to around 70C)
cpu fan 2586 rpm... Yes I can set bios to quiet mode and then its 1600rpm but temps are higher.

gpu 67C with 64% fan speed.


If I can make it quieter and cooler, I would wish so... cheap if possible. I dont want to spend money on this pc but I dont want to get new either soon, so I have to do something with this I guess.

Any cheap propositions? Poland here, so Garus(I AM TALKING TO YOU) or other folks are welcome Wink


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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2011 20:30    Post subject:
Some of the Noctua models are still performing really well and should be fairly affordable, I'm using a Zalman myself but the later models of those (And Coolermaster.) have been a bit extreme both in design and price. Smile

I don't have anything specific though, case airflow is also very important, not just more fans or better ones. Smile
(Which you no doubt know already but it's worth mentioning at least.)
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2011 20:36    Post subject:
Actually... I don't have any fans in my case. Only fans are those in cpu, gpu and psu

I've never gave any attention to case fans and air flowing , becouse Ive always though that I wouldnt get any reasonable improvement in temps but only noise... but I didnt tried it, So if this is so important I could use some instructions.
I have standard case with grill on the side (in front of cpu) and grill on the back.
Should i just put there 2 defauly fans? which way either of them should throttle the air?

edit: Btw, I am using hwmonitor to check my temps


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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2011 20:53    Post subject:
It varies a bit but having air sucked in from the front or bottom of the case and exhausted out back or top is what I'm most used to, it creates a airflow that allows for fresh / cool air to be in the case and the hot air to be exhausted out of it, at worst you get a sort of still which increases temps since the hotter air is not exhausted properly.

It varies a bit how much of a impact this has as far as I remember but it's down to a lot of different factors from how much space there is in the case, ambient (room) temperature and of course the fans themselves and how much heat the hardware generates.

Dust mostly just enhances this and makes temps rise even higher, usually things are pretty OK but it doesn't hurt to dust the computer off every now and again to avoid blocking airflow too much.
(Opening the case as far as I remember is a pretty OK way to test airflow, if it results in a noticeable improvement it might be something to think about - there will usually be some difference though.)


I know the basics quite well but I'm no expert, someone else can likely give much better info however.
(There's so much to think of so it becomes a rather complex subject, even cable management can make a noticeable difference.)

Your setup seems a bit unique though, I thought most cases (Even from years back.) had one or two fans, at least for exhaust.
(Usually back of the case and venting trough a little mesh there or other possibility.)

There are exceptions though, it's probably not a big issue but I'm not that knowledgeable on how this works, or at least not in that great detail unfortunately.
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2011 21:08    Post subject:
Thanks for anserw Smile

Ive done some pics to give some impression, of how much can be done here to make best of this setup.
And don't worry. its not my first pc. Its like my 5th. This one I have for over 4 years and paid lot of money for it and ofc ordered and installed it part by part myself. I just never gave shit about cooling, becouse Ive always had opened case and for some years now I keep it closed, becouse I dont want to dust my pc off, every 2 months. I think Ive dusted it 4 months ago so as You see on the pictures there is some dust.

btw. As Ive opened, the case , temps significantly dropped from 50 to 44 and fan speed dropped from 2600 to 1800.
Same with gpu. It dropped a little.

Now how to do it(or cooler), with closed case lid and cheap?









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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2011 21:43    Post subject:
what also works, is having a shitload of fans pumping air into the tower, no exhaust. this creates a overpressure which will exhaust the hot air by itself Smile
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2011 22:10    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
what also works, is having a shitload of fans pumping air into the tower, no exhaust. this creates a overpressure which will exhaust the hot air by itself Smile


But it would proboably make it very dusty?

hmm... So I can without even thinking twice, just go ahead and buy 2 case fans tomorrow? will need them to use one way or another I see anyway


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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2011 22:12    Post subject:
you think 1 exhaust makes it less dusty lol ?
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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Dec 2011 00:35    Post subject:
Not a good idea in that case.
If it was a well ventilated case with lots of mesh etc for the air to escape then that would be ok.
But it's not, so you will want one flan blowing in and another blowing the hot air out, otherwise you will just be dumping hot air inside with no place to go.


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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Dec 2011 10:46    Post subject:
While airflow in that case may get you one or two degrees, you need a better CPU cooler to really make a difference. Get rid of that air duct as well,it obstructs airflow.

One intake at the bottom front of your case (looks like you have room for it there), exhaust on the rear. Don't use the side intake, that will break up the airflow and force hot air from the videocard in two directions rather than straight up into the airflow.

As for CPU coolers, see if you can still find a Fenrir around you, or perhaps a cheap H60. Both should come with 775 brackets.

As for your actual system..2 GB would definitely be worth it, but you might as well see if you can find a better used 775 CPU. Even a Q6600 would benefit you as it has a higher stock speed already.
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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Dec 2011 10:55    Post subject:
So I will go right ahead and buy 2 case fans and search for one of these i suppose?

Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 PRO Rev.2
titan fenrir
corsair H60(its expensive in internet stores but I will seek it anyway)


Changing cpu is rather out of the question. Not investing in this setup other than keeping it "cool" and veining it to maximum Laughing

about memory. I have 2x1gb geil 800 ultra. I suppose I could get another 2x1 set or just exchange it for 2x2. Which i guess 4x1 would be faster. As for now tho, Memory is on holiday prices(which is still 7 TIMES cheaper than when i bought) and I dont want to overspend. so I will wait till february if I will even want to get it.


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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Dec 2011 10:59    Post subject:
Yeah just look for used parts, spending money on new parts for such an old PC really isn't worth it (except for the RAM, which is dirt cheap) Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Dec 2011 11:20    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
Yeah just look for used parts, spending money on new parts for such an old PC really isn't worth it (except for the RAM, which is dirt cheap) Smile


I am against used parts... of any type almost. Especially fans, which have higher proboability to be loud. So I will get new ones If I can find them in my local it shops. If not, then I will have it delivered, but not sooner than week into january


additional question. Get that small fan for mobo chipset?


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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Dec 2011 12:04    Post subject:
I bought an Arctic cooler when I first bought my E8500, it sucked. Then I switched to a Noctua, I don't remember which type exactly. It's huge, but I've never seen my OCd E8500 go over 50 degrees. My case has no airflow whatsoever since whatever cooler I attach to it causes resonance (on top of the resonance causes by the HDDs). I'll never touch an Antec case again.

I can vouch for Noctua.
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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Dec 2011 12:08    Post subject:
So I am adding it to my searc list. Thanks


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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Dec 2011 12:11    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
My case has no airflow whatsoever since whatever cooler I attach to it causes resonance (on top of the resonance causes by the HDDs). I'll never touch an Antec case again.

Just to hijack the thread quickly: get rubber stoppers. Literally cost a few cents, can pick them up at any Gamma (Razz) or whatever near you. 1mm thick should fit, should also stop all resonance.
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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Dec 2011 13:32    Post subject:
OK guys I am back from shopping!
I will proboably dissapoint You but I bought other products than You recommended:P
I didnt had a chooice. I drove around every god damn IT retailer and only one had avaible cooling systems from which these looked best.

ive got:
SilentiumPC Spartan HE923


and only one SilentiumPC Zephyr 92


The case fan will take the air out from the back. I will also remove that side tube and leave big hole in that case so hopefully enough air will be sucked in.


About that cpu fan. Which way to install it? and how much silk to apply?
It says something in manual that HE need much grease to apply. Whole tube which is added with cooler. is that right?


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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Dec 2011 13:53    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
Mister_s wrote:
My case has no airflow whatsoever since whatever cooler I attach to it causes resonance (on top of the resonance causes by the HDDs). I'll never touch an Antec case again.

Just to hijack the thread quickly: get rubber stoppers. Literally cost a few cents, can pick them up at any Gamma (Razz) or whatever near you. 1mm thick should fit, should also stop all resonance.

I did that, it didn't help. The case design seems to be bad since I've read on more forums that this particular case has resonance problems. It was a 50 euro case, but that isn't exactly very cheap either. The last resort is hanging the HDD with cables so they're suspended and not connected directly to the case itself, but that's too much trouble for me.
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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Dec 2011 16:18    Post subject:
ok. Installed it. Seems that I am getting stress temps high as my desktop temps on stock Laughing

edit: btw. Ive never was checking it before so I am not sure if its normal but radiator on a motherboard chipset is very hot in touch. It doesnt have it own fan or anything and radiator is mounted into chipset with that weird bald springs, so I dont know how to demount it.

but I guess its suppose to be this hot?


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PostPosted: Fri, 23rd Dec 2011 18:53    Post subject:
Anyone know a good software to check temperatures of north bridge? Its hard to touch it but none of mobo temps in hwmonitor goes beyond 40C

Should I change anything else than vcore when overclocking?


this is my hwmonitor


I know that vcore is quite high but I am experimenting with oc. Right now its on2.94 (1,86 stock:lol:)


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