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consolitis
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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Sep 2011 14:19    Post subject:
Another success story Very Happy

I tested it on Dead Space 2 and it works pretty good!!


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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Sep 2011 14:32    Post subject:
It works with practically all the games that I have installed at the moment (and most of them run just as good as before), I'd say it's a huge success Razz
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PostPosted: Tue, 4th Oct 2011 14:28    Post subject:
mroussev wrote:
Any ideas why when i used this in GTA4,when it is enabled game just stop,like in runs with 1fps.I used "by-some-dude!-Version-9" at default settings,latest nvidia drivers,default driver settings.


Anytthing about my issue?I see people use it with gta4,and i cant Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Oct 2011 07:10    Post subject:
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Q: when are we getting FXAA support in the Nvidia CP for use in our programs/games?
nvidia: End of the year.
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Oct 2011 08:25    Post subject:
Nice, I was beginning to think they would never add it to the control panel.
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Oct 2011 12:21    Post subject:
Any word from Ati?
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Oct 2011 12:22    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
Any word from Ati?


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consolitis
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Oct 2011 12:23    Post subject:
They already have MLAA in their drivers so there's no particular reason to include FXAA as well, they could always begin with tweaking their already existing MLAA implementation before adopting/adding a new post-processing AA filter.


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"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Oct 2011 12:29    Post subject:
Wasn't this available for both platforms? Or did I misunderstand? Sure it's forced, but it works right?
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Oct 2011 12:36    Post subject:
You mean FXAA, the algorithm? It's platform agnostic, yes. Same for MLAA, it can be used on any platform.

The difference is that FXAA was created (and is being actively improved) by an nvidia employee and thus nvidia promotes it and plans to put it in their drivers, as its their own "invention", while MLAA was originally created by intel and then modified to be used in some PlayStation 3 games, before AMD noticed it and made it part of their drivers.
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Oct 2011 12:36    Post subject:
Both this and MLAA are available for both platforms, but you won't see NVIDIA including MLAA in NVCP and for the same reason, I doubt we'll see AMD including it in CCC. If you like them though, most games will be including these, sadly often at the expensive of MSAA. They might call it post AA like DICE do, but that makes no difference. The only confusing part may be that we might get developers not making it clear which one is used, but considering how similar they are on all fronts that shouldn't be an issue. Luckily for me BF3 still has MSAA as well, but FXAA for those who prefer that.
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Nov 2011 12:54    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
Quote:
Q: when are we getting FXAA support in the Nvidia CP for use in our programs/games?
nvidia: End of the year.


Yup.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pcgameshardware.de%2Faid%2C832856%2FFXAA-fuer-Geforce-Grafikkarten-So-aktivieren-Sie-den-neuen-Immer-AA-Modus-Jetzt-mit-ganz-neuen-Erkenntnissen-Tipp-des-Tages%2FGrafikkarte%2FTest%2F

If you enable it with Inspector, the driver based FXAA now antialias all games (even dx10 and dx11 ones, not just OpenGL ones as earlier).

But sometimes it can cause games to crash etc, which is the reason it hasn't been added to the control panel yet.

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PostPosted: Sat, 3rd Dec 2011 19:45    Post subject:
http://timothylottes.blogspot.com/2011/12/big-fxaa-update-soon.html

New breakthrough for FXAA, Timothy Lottes figured out how to combine it with temporal, multisample ane supersample antialiasing. And it's still pretty fast.

Quote:
The current high quality setting uses only 9 texture fetches per pixel. This is the same number of texture fetches taken by FXAA 3.11 Console on PS3. Have not ported the new FXAA to PS3 or 360 yet, but there will be a direct console port!

Assuming texture bound on PC, a mid-range 560 Ti is likely able to process a 1080p frame in around 0.36 ms. Still modifying the algorithm, so don't have final numbers yet.


Functionality-wise SMAA is not that special anymore..


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PostPosted: Mon, 5th Dec 2011 09:38    Post subject:
Indeed a great news, lets hope new injector will be out soon.
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Dec 2011 16:43    Post subject:
Can someone point me in a direction...
So the cheapest and most efficent method of aa is fxaa and fsaa? just as those in DNF?

I have 8800gt. How to use fxaa on ue3 games or other where there is no aa option and ingame/nvidia cp aa multisampling is too demanding.


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Dec 2011 17:58    Post subject:
Twinny wrote:
tonizito wrote:
Y U NO POST IN THE HARDWARE FORUM?




Anyway i watched the videos and i can't say i see any difference, maybe i need to visit a eye doctor or something Smug


I looked at the images in the op and yeah, actually you do no offense.
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Dec 2011 18:49    Post subject:
Where the fuck is FXAA in driver? Rolling Eyes If some hook creator can make it, driver developers can't?
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Dec 2011 19:26    Post subject:
Good point...
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Dec 2011 20:00    Post subject:
According to his blog that Timoty dude is working for Nvidia as developer, which makes the mystery even more intriguing Razz
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Dec 2011 20:01    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Where the fuck is FXAA in driver? Rolling Eyes If some hook creator can make it, driver developers can't?


lol wut 6 posts above you, you'll find out it's in some beta drivers.

The reason it's taking longer is probably that they are trying to adapt it to not blur the text as AMD's driver MLAA.

Timothy Lottes wrote:
The challenge for a driver version of FXAA is that it can only run after the game renders the HUD or the UI (which is not the best place to run FXAA). Any driver FXAA cannot take advantage of the options available when an individual title integrates FXAA directly. For this reason driver FXAA uses a different version of FXAA, one that is more conservative, better on text than FXAA 3.11, but more expensive.


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Dec 2011 20:07    Post subject:
20111212
FXAA 4.0 Will Have New Spatial-Only Algorithm
FXAA 4.0 is still a work in progress. No stills this time, and much of the prior shots would have changed by now. Updates as of this weekend,

(1.) FXAA 4.0 will have a new spatial only algorithm for those who cannot integrate with the temporal filtering. There will be multiple quality/perf levels.
The spatial algorithm is part of the temporal algorithm. It contains no searching, supports dynamic output resolution, and works really well mixed with hardware filtering (like MSAA).

(2.) I've come up with a new aliasing detection filter, one that completely eliminates filtering from areas that have no aliasing. As prior this only depends on color input,
uses same texture fetches as prior, but now it can be set to filter edges only, and avoid texture detail. This will be on sliders for developers to hand tune.
Bottom line, no more loss of detail, as was a common complaint with FXAA 3.11, and no need for a depth based edge detection pass.

(3.) I'm very close to managing to extend both the quality and edge length of the 9-fetch spatial algorithm (same number of texture fetches as FXAA 3.11 Console)
to almost match the default medium FXAA 3.11 PC results. Managed this via some very smart limiting of the filter results.

http://timothylottes.blogspot.com/2011/12/fxaa-40-will-have-new-spatial-only.html#comment-form


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Dec 2011 20:12    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:

I don't want to go into any inspector. I like everything spoon fed to me, because I'm dumb, I use Macs. lol wut
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Dec 2011 23:28    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:

The reason it's taking longer is probably that they are trying to adapt it to not blur the text as AMD's driver MLAA.

Timothy Lottes wrote:
The challenge for a driver version of FXAA is that it can only run after the game renders the HUD or the UI (which is not the best place to run FXAA). Any driver FXAA cannot take advantage of the options available when an individual title integrates FXAA directly. For this reason driver FXAA uses a different version of FXAA, one that is more conservative, better on text than FXAA 3.11, but more expensive.




I don't understand. Then why the fxaa implementation in Skyrim (for example) do not blur the HUD like the fxaa inject does?
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Dec 2011 23:36    Post subject:
But he says exactly that, an implementation by the devs won't blur it, because it's applied before the HUD is drawn.

The injector applies it to the final image, after the HUD has been drawn.


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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Dec 2011 10:49    Post subject:
How to make FXAA work? Its cheapest method proboably considering its quality/performance ratio.
I would like to apply it to Gears of War before I reply it.

anyone?


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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Dec 2011 14:55    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
How to make FXAA work? Its cheapest method proboably considering its quality/performance ratio.
I would like to apply it to Gears of War before I reply it.

anyone?

Just put all the files in the same folder where there's the game's executable
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PostPosted: Thu, 29th Dec 2011 01:00    Post subject:
what files?


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PostPosted: Thu, 29th Dec 2011 01:11    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
what files?

These ones:
consolitis wrote:
http://hotfile.com/dl/125975700/ef4f3b1/injectFxaa_by_some_dude_9.7z.html

(it's an old build but it should work without problems -I think-)
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