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 Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2011 07:15 Post subject: 'Building a new rig, but which GTX 580 should I choose? |
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There are a lot of different options out there right now that are improvements over reference. I have been looking at the Twin Frozr II from MSI, The Phantom from Gainward, DirectCU II from Asus. I am looking for a quoet card that will be able to do some overclocking as well. Anyone have any advice what to choose since they are all pretty much the same price? Thanks!
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2011 10:06 Post subject: |
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The DirectCU seems to be doing its job very well, seems very popular. Why the 580 though? A 570 or 6970 can handle everything the 580 at 120+ Euros less. The extra 256 MB memory on a 580 compared to 570 won't make a difference at 1080p, or are you planning to use it at 2560x1440/2560x1600?
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2011 14:19 Post subject: |
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Resolution used wont make that much of a difference on memory consumption that it warrants extra 256MB anyway.
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2011 14:31 Post subject: |
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I will be playing at 1920x1080p. I am trying to get a card that will run BF3 as close to 60 FPS as possible, that's why I chose it. I read this chart (that you actually posted again in the BF3 thread)
http://gamegpu.ru/Action-/-FPS-/-TPS/Battlefield-3-Alpha-test-GPU.html
There is a rather significant difference between 580 and 570. I appreciate your input though, might step it down a notch. Just sold my old rig with a 460 in it (but old platform otherwise) and I just want to see a significant increase in performance, but I don't want to spend stupid money of course.
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2011 14:57 Post subject: |
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Yeah there is a fair difference, but that's due to the tessellation. The 580's extra cluster can be used solely for that it seems (which indicates that the game is in fact GPU capped at that point already!), which is the only explanation I can think of that warrants such a big difference. If you look at the chart though, you'll see the cards at each price point lining up *exactly* - except for the dual-GPU solutions, which are broken atm. The performance increase between cards also exactly as expected every time, except for the 580.
Still, it is an alpha and it will improve a bit more I reckon. Minimum FPS of just under 50 for both the 570 and 6970 is very good; average is just above 60, meaning max will sit at around 75-ish.
I personally think the 580, 590, 6990 are all a waste of money. If you really want that kind of performance, you might as well get two cheaper cards and stuff them in SLI, because a pair of 560 Ti's is as expensive as a 580 but will boast significantly better framerates (this is assuming NVIDIA and AMD are able to resolve the issues it obviously has right now). At those framerates, microstuttering is also going to be a non-issue so meh 
It's a shame you already sold the old rig, because if I were you, I'd wait. Wait until you see numbers based on the beta, see how things change. Also allows the prices to drop a bit more, which they will around that time because it's the holiday season. Furthermore AMD might have something to launch in Q4 (it's unclear atm, noone knows what's going on with their process at TSMC) and we should have some more news about NVIDIA's cards for late-Q1 2012 as well
On a sidenote: I'm liking what I see in Frostbite 2 so far. It's graphically demanding, optimised for both ends and even seems to be GPU capped, meaning the upcoming graphics cards on 28nm have a reason to exist!
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2011 15:46 Post subject: |
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No, I mean in late October when the game comes out. Holiday season always starts 2 months before the actual holidays at most stores
In the end it's your choice of course, but I personally wouldn't do it; in fact, I never have gone for the top solution at such a premium. GF2 MX400, R9700 (non-pro), 6800GT, 8800 GTS-640, 5870, GTX 460 and now 6950 (got a feeling I left something out though hrm). The 5870 was just amazingly well priced (got it at launch for 300). Only "exception" were my 2 9800 GTX's, but the first one was an RMA for the 8800 and the second one an RMA for the first one :/
I've never had any issues running anything at max resolution (well..Crysis 1 not included) and I've pretty consistently gone up with resolution as new monitors came out. Only reason I'm not on 2560x<1440/1600> is because I've not yet seen a 27" monitor that I think is worth that kind of cash. That said, I'm not a fan of tessellation in the way it has been used so far, so unless they use it properly in BF3, I'll limit that to 8 samples; in most games so far they go as far as 16 samples which the naked eye can't even see in still frames, let alone when moving.
It's a good card anyway and it will do fine. Make sure to look at warranty though, I'm never buying a card without a standard 3 year warranty anymore after the bullshit with my 8800/9800's. My retailer has this as a store policy fortunately, but I'm not sure what Gainward do; most shops follow manufacturer warranty, which might be just 1 year.
Glad to see someone understanding what the fuck an SSD is for btw, instead of going "BUT I WANT IT FOR STORAGE". Fine choices you made there for the other parts as well.
Which PSU are you getting to power that? I highly recommend the new Seasonic based units, as they're all based off the new silent platform which only spins the fan up when needed. Seasonic's own X-series is bloody brilliant obviously (got an X-650 myself), the Corsair "TX V2" ones are also based off that platform.
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2011 16:34 Post subject: |
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| grapper wrote: | | Yeah, I've mostly gone for the card a step below the top, usually good value (or at least OK in price/perf). All cards here in Sweden leave at least 36 months so I'm all good there. |
Good. I never had any issues with videocards until that nonsense, never letting it happen again 
 Spoiler: | And I was in fact saved by my retailer. My 8800 GTS was an XFX one, who are just fucking terrible for customer support. My retailer knew that, so rather than sending it to XFX and hoping I'd get *something* back they just gave me the 9800 GTX as a replacement. Now that's service for you right there! |
| grapper wrote: | | I kept the PSU from my old computer which is a Corsair 750W, more than adequate and really quiet as well. Seasonic is good as well, I actually think they are made in the same factories but not sure. |
Corsair doesn't make PSUs, they only assemble and label them. Some of theirs are Seasonic, mainly the VX450, TX V2, HX-650 and the whole AX series except the 1200W one. All the other Corsair units are CWT builds; not bad, but not Seasonic either
| grapper wrote: | | Yea SSD will be really nice, looking fwd to it. |
Trust me, you'll fall in love with it the moment you see how ridiculously fast you can boot, start applications, etcetera. I fell in love with mine anyway, rebooting in less than 30 seconds from Ubuntu into Windows is just awesome, and rather than having to wait for some shit to load, you can just open applications straight away 
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2011 16:45 Post subject: |
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The name of the PSU is Corsair CMPSU-750TX 750W. So it's not the TX2 but it has gotten really good reviews, both professional and consumer so I feel it's all good.
Some friend also told me something about some semi-raid on the Motherboard I have so i can have cache on another disk. Not really sure what he was talking about TBH but it sounded good.
Can't wait to place my order next week and build the bastard and start prepping it for Beta launch for BF3. Maybe play through Crysis as well, never got around to that.
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Aug 2011 06:49 Post subject: |
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EVGA GTX 580 Hydro Copper 2!
The sexiest GTX 580 ever IMO 
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Aug 2011 09:00 Post subject: |
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| timechange01 wrote: | EVGA GTX 580 Hydro Copper 2!
The sexiest GTX 580 ever IMO |
IF you have water cooling 
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Aug 2011 11:32 Post subject: |
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Yeah that's a nice looking card. Not going to do water cooling again though, too much trouble for me personally and afraid shit will go wrong.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Sep 2011 15:53 Post subject: |
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Sorry to hear that your new card is dead. I've been seeing more and more problems with Asus mobo's and GPU's in the last five years or so. The last Asus mobo I bought was the, ill-fated, Striker Extreme. They loved to eat RAM, even when I undervolted and underclocked it, the mobo would still chew it up. I RMA'd four sets of memory and two mobo's before I decided to go with EVGA. Not that they are the best, but they have some of the best customer support that I've ever seen. Now, I only buy EVGA stuff, but still have fond feelings for MSI (as I used to use them exclusively), and have seen many good things come from Gainward. Here's to hoping that you get a good card next time and that you can enjoy some BF3 in all it's glory!
| timechange01 wrote: | EVGA GTX 580 Hydro Copper 2!
The sexiest GTX 580 ever IMO |
I've got three of these fuckers, and yes, they are absolutely sexy. Also, the little EVGA logo on the side (not the bottom) lights up (but that's not the reason that I bought them).
And before anyone gets their jellyragepanties in a wad (because they think that I don't need 3 of them), I do a lot of freelance CAD work and also have helped design some 3D MRI software for a local heart surgeon that utilizes the CUDA architecture to render the images, so I didn't have to pay for them entirely out of my own pocket (and what little I did pay was a tax deduction). And I game the fuck out of those cards.
As far as performance is concerned, I haven't had any problems so far. I also have not ever had any problems with my water-cooling rig(s). Even when I am running these cards through 3DMark 2011, the temps only reach ~40°C (and they are looped in series from top to bottom).
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Sep 2011 22:34 Post subject: |
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Because when you overclock a 580, it beats the pants off a 570.
ASUS Maximus XII Formula | Core i9 10900k @ 5.2Ghz | 32GB G.Skill DDR4 4200Mhz | EVGA RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Hydro Copper | ASUS ROG PG35VQ
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Sep 2011 22:54 Post subject: |
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| timechange01 wrote: | EVGA GTX 580 Hydro Copper 2!
The sexiest GTX 580 ever IMO |
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2011 21:11 Post subject: |
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I have a GTX 580 OC Twin FrozR II been running perfectly, and pretty quiet and cool, well compared to the SOC gtx480 i had for two days that atifact from day one!
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Sep 2011 23:00 Post subject: |
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I've got my 580's all running at 918/1789/2146 (core/shader/memory) with zero problems and I could probably take them up a bit higher if I had the time to properly stress test them again...
Who said that I couldn't tap directly into the nuclear fuel rod to power these bitches?!?
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| Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2011 22:45 Post subject: |
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I am looking to replace the 480, not sure with what yet. Don't want to put a second 480, as it would generate a lot of heat, noise and put too much stress on the PSU (GTX 480 is a first generation Fermi = shit).
The Gainward GTX 580 Phantom w/ 3GB has caught my attention lately. BF3 with everything on max and AA takes GB according to tests.
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| Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2011 23:33 Post subject: |
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crossfire 6950s instead, your PSU will handle that if it handles a single 480
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| Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2011 23:48 Post subject: |
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Crossfire Never again. 
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| Posted: Sun, 2nd Oct 2011 23:52 Post subject: |
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its pretty good, scaling is almost 100% on 6xxx and CAPs are released as fast as possible to give performance and fixes for games so you dont have to wait for a new driver.
no single card is worth the upgrade for you at the moment.
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