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PostPosted: Mon, 5th Sep 2011 15:06    Post subject:
Hmmm, I wonder what happened with: "Usages of MIMD instructions instead of VLIW (Which was used in previous AMD GPU-architectures)".


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PostPosted: Mon, 5th Sep 2011 19:34    Post subject:
That info is incorrect. The low-end replacement (Barts) might still be VLIW4, but the Tahiti variants will be MIMD, new architecture Smile
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Sep 2011 22:36    Post subject:
A quick question, what would be the best purchase in terms of price/quality.

2 GTX 295 for 100 Euros or 1 GTX 580 for 380 Euros ?
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Sep 2011 22:41    Post subject:
Buy one GTX 580. Where you can get 2x 295GTX for 100euros? Very Happy It would be Quad-SLI and that doesnt work on like 99% games properly Very Happy. Also you would need monster PSU, and single GTX 580 is faster than one 295GTX.
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Sep 2011 22:52    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
Buy one GTX 580. Where you can get 2x 295GTX for 100euros? Very Happy It would be Quad-SLI and that doesnt work on like 99% games properly Very Happy. Also you would need monster PSU, and single GTX 580 is faster than one 295GTX.


I have a 1200 Watts PSU, that should do the trick.

Also, is there that much a difference between the performance of a single GTX 580 to a GTX 295?

From what I've seen in several benchmarks, it appears that the GTX 580 has merely some 10% better performance than the GTX 295, is this false?
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Sep 2011 23:03    Post subject:
Well the 295 is 2x 280s in single PCB, and they are nearly as powerfull than single GTX 580. Tho 295 doesnt support DX11 etc.. 1200watts psu doesnt say anything, it could be some chinese bomb. Just get the 580.
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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Sep 2011 11:25    Post subject:
The 580 is a good 20% faster, 295 is about 10% behind a 480 - when SLI works. When it doesn't, it fails miserably, so the 580 is the better choice.
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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Sep 2011 18:51    Post subject:
I have a single 295GTX and it's a good card and still capable of running most things maxed (except some special cases like Witcher 2 ubersampling). But it's an old card with no DX11 support, and I plan on upgrading whenever nVidia gets the new kepler cards released.
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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Sep 2011 18:55    Post subject:
Me too Smile


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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Sep 2011 19:32    Post subject:
NV is rolling them out around Q2, next year. Still a lot to go.
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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Sep 2011 19:53    Post subject:
I thought it was Q1 2012?


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PostPosted: Wed, 7th Sep 2011 20:37    Post subject:
Late Q1, that very easily becomes Q2 Smile
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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Sep 2011 09:22    Post subject:
Sad


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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Sep 2011 13:06    Post subject:
Is there a reason that can explain why my ASUS GTX 560 DCU II sounds like its going to fly out of my case when I play games ? I'm not talking about Metro 2033 or GTA 4, I was just playing Dead Island, and the coolers were @ 40% and sounded like a hair dryer .

I don't usually care about the sound coming from the case, but this is exaggerated .
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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Sep 2011 13:13    Post subject:
Asus always has horrible coolers, they almost always whine. Try forcing it to a slower speed if your card is cool enough.
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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Sep 2011 13:20    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
Asus always has horrible coolers, they almost always whine. Try forcing it to a slower speed if your card is cool enough.


Cut the bullshit.

40% is relatively quiet on my 570 DCII with 900 core clock.


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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Sep 2011 14:43    Post subject:
Cooler on a 570 isn't the same as on a 560, even if they're both labeled DCII Smile
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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Sep 2011 15:03    Post subject:
I know. But I've also heard a 560 cooler work so it can't be "normal" noise like b0se has Razz


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PostPosted: Thu, 8th Sep 2011 15:17    Post subject:


It sounds like this, only that I can hear that sound from 3-4 meters .


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Nov 2011 09:30    Post subject:
Bumping this back up, you'll see some stuff popping up in the usual places soon enough.

TSMC's 28nm process is doing well; they can achieve 45% higher clocks on 40nm. The 28nm process does use different materials, so noone knew what to expect, as this can't be compared to 40nm the same way 40nm could be compared to 55nm. AMD are aiming a bit lower than that 45%, but stock clock speeds over 1 GHz are quite likely. There's an event for their partners in 2 days, hopefully I'll get some more details following that Razz

Various sites still report late December as a target. Not entirely right; we'll see some stuff around that time, but CES is where it's at (2nd week of January). That's also when availability is planned, although it's not quite certain how good it will be. Gotta wait and see if TSMC can do high volume reliably Smile


Meanwhile, NVIDIA are preparing GF110 shrinks, no Kepler yet. That'll be late Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Nov 2011 14:59    Post subject:
I hope Bulldozer team doesnt have nothing to do with these new Radeons Cool Face There has been rumours that 7970 single gpU will be as fast as 6990 DUAL GPU. Personally i dont believe this, cards are gonna be fast but not that fast for sure.
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Nov 2011 16:05    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
I hope Bulldozer team doesnt have nothing to do with these new Radeons Cool Face There has been rumours that 7970 single gpU will be as fast as 6990 DUAL GPU. Personally i dont believe this, cards are gonna be fast but not that fast for sure.

Any stuff like that is something someone pulled out of his or her ass, AMD aren't ready yet.

Now whether it's possible or not? Definitely is. You gotta keep in mind that with the current generation of cards (GF110 and Cayman) an x% overclock yields almost an x% performance increase as well (it's about 10:9 roughly). I'm talking about shader bound games and benchmarks of course, if it's not shader bound an overclock has little effect. Combine this with the fact that TSMC can get to 45% higher clockspeeds, it's safe to assume AMD will be shooting for 30-35% or so; that puts us in the 1.1-1.2 GHz range.

So that's the higher clockspeed; we can expect memory bandwidth to be way higher again as it always does, but memory bandwidth is hardly an issue in most games.

Aside from that though, there's a brand new architecture created from scratch and we simply have no idea how good or bad that will be. Since it's a smaller node, in theory they'd also be able to put even more shaders into the same small die (because I have no doubt they will stick with the small die strategy) - then again, we have no idea what GCN looks like so I don't know how valid this comparison will be. Even if it's just 20% faster than the VLIW4 architecture on Cayman though, you're already looking at a 50% performance increase. This is also its downfall though, new architecture means a lot of driver optimisation has to be done Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Nov 2011 20:31    Post subject:
Isn't the graphics division still based in Canada where the former company was located?
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Nov 2011 20:44    Post subject:
Perhaps some of the GPU engineers of ATI should crossover to the CPU department. Neutral


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Nov 2011 20:51    Post subject:
If they had done so, the new CPU line would've been productive and quite more successful than it is now. Cool Face I think the Radeon products pretty much keep AMD afloat for now...
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Nov 2011 21:07    Post subject:
human_steel wrote:
If they had done so, the new CPU line would've been productive and quite more successful than it is now. Cool Face I think the Radeon products pretty much keep AMD afloat for now...

Even better, the GPU division is what made AMD *profitable* - marginal profit IIRC (i.e. in the single millions Razz) but profit nonetheless, after a hundreds of millions loss streak for 5 years or so Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Nov 2011 21:20    Post subject:
iconized wrote:
Perhaps some of the GPU engineers of ATI should crossover to the CPU department. Neutral


You forget Intel have some of the finest fabs in the world at there disposal. AMD don't have access to such facilitys. so they need more than just engineering help Sad


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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Nov 2011 13:29    Post subject:
Slizza makes a good point. Intel probably has not "some of the finest" but just "the finest". They're always the first ones to take things to a smaller node, which shows just how good they are.

That said, GlobalFoundries are ramping things up lately, as they can now obviously focus on just that one goal. TSMC seem to be getting overwhelmed the last 2 years, they're having problems keeping up.
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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Nov 2011 17:38    Post subject:
Always made me think if intel ever acquired nvidia... that would be interesting to say the least.


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PostPosted: Sat, 19th Nov 2011 22:10    Post subject:
Latest rumours:

Report: AMD Tahiti in January 2012

Tahiti is the proper GCN next-gen Radeon GPU's, not the low-mid-mobile gunk that was shown earlier.

AMD's long awaited next-gen 28nm GPU is finally set to release in January 2012, according to a report from Fudzilla. AMD announced during its latest financial conference call that the first next-gen GPUs were to ship by the end of 2011. Whether this shipment was for a Dec 2011 launch or in anticipation of an early 2012 remained a matter of speculation. The first next-gen GPUs to release is reported to be based on the high-performance Tahiti chip.

Will be interesting to see what a full-node shrink can do (straight from 40nm to 28nm since TSMC blew 32nm, the node meant for Cayman series).


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