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 Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2011 02:39 Post subject: Re: Arguing with a believer = can't win |
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| scarfacew3 wrote: |
She said that she believes in God |
This is the part where you should've just laughed at her face and walk away.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2011 02:47 Post subject: |
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Yeah, talking with a believer about religion and showing arguments against his, it will not take the conversation anywhere . So its useless ,
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2011 02:48 Post subject: Re: Arguing with a believer = can't win |
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| inz wrote: | | scarfacew3 wrote: |
She said that she believes in God |
This is the part where you should've just laughed at her face and walk away. |
Well if she has been a nobody then I probably would do that, but before that we understood each other well and she was fun (now not anymore).
Yes I know now that it is useless....if I just knew that before bahhhh
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2011 02:57 Post subject: |
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Just ask who created god and be over with it 
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2011 03:11 Post subject: |
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god is so awesome he created himself. fucking duh. cuz hes god.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2011 03:54 Post subject: |
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god can be anything, even his own son goddammit.
theyre so casual but does anyone EVER think about these expressions we so freely use? goddammit? the fuck does that mean? holy shit? holy mother of god? how the fuck does THAT one work?
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2011 06:13 Post subject: |
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I once had a woman I had never seen before walk up to me while I was waiting for my ride. The first words out of her mouth were "Do you believe in God?"
Man was that embarrassing - guess I was embarrassed for her. I just kind of sat there dumbfounded for a second. I mean, who does that? A religious nutter, that's who! Nodded no, got up, and walked away. No sense in arguing with fanatics, though looking back on it I kinda wish I would have tried, would have been funny! 
Some people...
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2011 07:46 Post subject: |
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Imho strongly religious people are just scared and insecure. Especially scared of death. Weak minded in my eyes. I don't differ us from animals either. We may fly into space but we're friggin dumb enough to destroy our envoirement because of greed...
If there is a god and he created us, especially in his image, he must be one friggin asshole/retard.
| Quote: | | My intellect is not letting me to believe in such things |
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I don't agree with "can't win" phrase. My girlfriend used to be religious, and before we were together we had a lot of religious disputes (disputes, ie I heard her side of the story too). When we started meeting she was still kind of religious but hesitant. Now she basically despises the Church and doesn't believe in God anymore. And no, I didn't force her to do it with "agree with me or I'll leave you" (hint hint  ), I basically let her think for her own. She comes from a very religious home (or rather her father is very religious, mother is a hiding agnostic I think), but after a lot of talking about religion and things that surround it she finally started noticing the truth.
You can't do that in a single conversation though, think about it. You can't expect to disprove someone's entire life/childhood with one conversation. Just like when Copernicus said the Earth moves around the Sun, even though he presented proof, many didn't believe him. You need a lot of time, and you need to make the person think for herself instead of forcing your views and then laughing "LOL CHRISTIAN". 
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2011 11:17 Post subject: Re: Arguing with a believer = can't win |
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| scarfacew3 wrote: | Went out with two colleagues (girls) and started a discussion about GOD etc with a HOT one.
I said that I do not believe in a God because I just can't. I have to much questions and all of this is just not logical.
My intellect is not letting me to believe in such things (haven't said this part to her because I was afraid that she would think I 'am saying she is stupid).
She said that she believes in God but not in religions because she has a lot of questions (she says she is a born muslim).
So I told her that I am more for science that religion because with science you can explain something, with religion not. She asked me "how do you explain the creation of our universe?" and I said that there are only theories (big bang) and that I do not know the right answer for that. She said than to me that God created it and this is the answer! Then I said to her that she is going the easy way, just believe that a God created this and that is all and my way is the "hard" one because I want to exactly now how it was created (thanks to science).
Then we talked about Quran and how a lot of modern science discoveries are already written in the quran. I said to her that I know about it but I still can not believe in it like that. I need to read a little bit more about that. After that she was like "hahah you see I win, you can not explain that bla bla bla" she was really proud and provoked me a little bit, and I was really pissed of. After that I went home and researched a little bit and found out that these informations in the Quran are not miracles like she was saying. Everything is explained, there are some informations that are from the old greeks philosophers, other old civilsations and common knowledge.
And a text in the Quran/Bible/Torah etc could be interpreted in many ways.
Besides a lot of texts on the internet about this "miracles" is a good youtube channel where all of this is explained.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheIslammiracle#p/u/9/Nzw6Tuj6NRE
I will never argue with a believer again, because you just can not win.
She will probably feel dumb after she do some research by herself (not sure about if she is gonna do this at all)
Ah i just can not stand ignorant people that believe in everything that is written in a book.
As you can see there are a few of contradictions in her arguments, i.e. "She said that she believes in God but not in religions because she has a lot of questions" and she believes the text in the Quran.
No "fuck her in the butt"...really  |
I've heard muslims believe everyone is born as a muslim. But most people forget they were born as muslim
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2011 11:32 Post subject: |
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| garus wrote: | | Never talk about religion with a pretty girl. Stakes are too high. |
Yeah yeah I know that now.
Too late....
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2011 11:35 Post subject: |
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The answer for the big bang is how could something appear out of nothing ?
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2011 12:13 Post subject: |
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She believes in God but isn't religious... OK I get that because God can be anything you want it to be, some type of power other then yourself type of thinking... but she starts in about the Quran, religious teaching.... That is pretty much BELIEVER trying not to show themselves as a thumper.. Sneaky, but not effective.
Over the last few years I have come to the conclusion it is not any of my business trying to debunk or put down anyones religion or faith, except standing up when I think someones religious view is hurting someone. I have seen some people get through some tough life stuff, like death and illness on faith so I don't mess with it. On the other side of the coin I think in some science they try to play God, try to beat mother nature...Like managed forests.
I think science and religion try to tell the same story, the story of creation but they are using 2 different langauges. It really irks me when those believers justify their God with nonsense science though.
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| b0se wrote: | | The answer for the big bang is how could something appear out of nothing ? |
and it is also a stupid question. Because it assumes a state (of the universe) that cannot be verified. Why assume that there was nothing "before" when a before does not exist because time and its perception in the physical universe is based on the physical nature of the universe, so one cannot say there has been a "before".
also, how does "magic man did it" help. Who created the big sky daddy out of nothing? And there we are, back at the beginning... |
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You are aware that the big bang theory, or more specifically the lambda CDM model, is most likely not the real nature of the universe, the lambda CDM model is based upon so many assumptions which in turn are based on insufficient or sometimes even contradictory observational data, that the acceptance of ANY model which explains nature as a whole is no different than believing in a supernatural creator at this point.
As false as religion might be, I find it laughable for someone to mock religion and then in turn claim that they accept the big bang as factual truth, which it most certainly isn't, since it cannot be verified at this point in time, it can only be considered through faith alone and nothing else!...
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2011 13:04 Post subject: |
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What if the whole space-continuum is constructed and composed of infinite number of Universes? The creation of ours is nothing more than a stellar explosion of massive proportions eventuated by the collision of other two giant Universes or the impact of matter and anti-matter.
I like to support Hawking's hypothesis of suggesting that space, comprehending everything, is unbounded and eternal, as well as time as we perceive it as a measurable unit.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2011 13:09 Post subject: |
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| human_steel wrote: | What if the whole space-continuum is constructed and composed of infinite number of Universes? The creation of ours is nothing more than a stellar explosion of massive proportions eventuated by the collision of other two giant Universes or the impact of matter and anti-matter.
I like to support Hawking's hypothesis of suggesting that space, comprehending everything, is unbounded and eternal, as well as time as we perceive it as a measurable unit. |
Exactly what I was addressing before..
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Jul 2011 13:14 Post subject: |
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Yes, lots of 'ifs' and groundless assumptions. But I'd like to believe in a theory such as the Big Bang (or in something more grandiose of a scientific point of view) rather than loosely leaning upon the thesis proposing a divine creature has created everything we see and feel around us.
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