Making Sense of Our First Look at Windows 8
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 03:12    Post subject: Making Sense of Our First Look at Windows 8
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On Wednesday, Microsoft offered the first glimpse of Windows 8, a sneak peek reveals much about both the influences and strategic goals of the major overhaul of Microsoft’s 25-year-old operating system.



The fundamental goal with the new operating system, which is being shown for the first time at D9, is to create something that is equally well at home on an 8-inch tablet as it is on a powerful desktop attached to a huge monitor.

“It’s ‘no compromise’ and that’s really important to us,” Windows President Steven Sinofsky said in an interview with AllThingsD.

At the heart of the new interface is a new start screen that draws heavily on the tile-based interface that Microsoft has used with Windows Phone 7. All of a user’s programs can be viewed as tiles and clicked on with a touch of a finger.

Windows 8 essentially supports two kinds of applications. One is the classic Windows application, which runs in a desktop very similar to the Windows 7 desktop.

The other type of application, which has to be written in HTML5 and Javascript, looks more like a mobile application, filling the full screen. Internet Explorer 10, which is part of Windows 8, has already been configured to run in this mode, as have several widget-like apps for checking stock prices and weather.

Although Microsoft didn’t offer any details, the start screen that it is showing on Wednesday includes a prominent link to a store, ostensibly confirming that Microsoft plans to get in the business of directly distributing Windows programs, much as Apple has on both the iPhone and Mac.

Sinofsky noted that there were a few things that the iPad showed were missing from Windows–most notably a touch-first interface and an app distribution mechanism and new business model for developers. Windows 8, as the product is currently code-named, is designed to address all three of those issues, while preserving compatibility with decades of existing Windows programs.

Although Windows 8 is clearly influenced by the iPad and other mobile devices, the plan for the new operating system has been in the works since Windows 7 shipped in July 2009–several months before the iPad was first shown.

“We really did take a step back after Windows 7,” Sinofsky said. “We were clearly influenced ourselves by phones.”

Microsoft has also done work with the classic Windows desktop to make it more touch friendly, including using a new kind of “fuzzy hit targeting” to adjust for the fact that fingers are far less precise than a mouse. The goal, says chief designer Julie Larson-Green, is that classic apps, though designed for a keyboard and mouse, work well with touch. Apps taking advantage of the new programming layer, she said, are designed for touch first, but also work well with a keyboard and mouse.

Windows is growing more flexible in other ways. Microsoft said back in January that the next version of Windows would support ARM-based chips from Nvidia, Texas Instruments and Qualcomm, in addition to the traditional Windows processors from Intel and AMD. Though Sinofsky and Green used Intel-based machines for Wednesday’s demo at D, Microsoft plans to demonstrate some of the ARM-based designs later today at the Computex trade show in Taiwan.

On a technical note, Sinofsky stressed that after decades of ever-increasing system requirements that characterized Windows releases through Vista, Microsoft is once again building an operating system that demands fewer resources than its predecessor–a trend started with Windows 7, which worked on all Vista-compatible systems.

A key question is how well this new Windows will stack up against a new generation of “post-PC” devices running Android, Apple’s iOS and other operating systems.

There are other unanswered questions as well, including just when Windows 8 will be ready. Sinofsky declined to say, but said Microsoft will have a lot more to say about Windows 8 at a developer conference in mid-September in Anaheim, Calif.

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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 07:18    Post subject:
"The fundamental goal with the new operating system, which is being shown for the first time at D9, is to create something that is equally well at home on an 8-inch tablet as it is on a powerful desktop attached to a huge monitor."

lol wut

I hope we won't get a windows that looks like their mobile phone OS... That would sucks some major ass...


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 09:01    Post subject:
at the moment it pretty much looks like that...


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 11:47    Post subject:
When it comes to the OS, I care about two things: gaming and performance. Since this doesn't look like an upgrade to either, it just saves me the hassle of switching to it. Razz
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 12:35    Post subject:
I'm so pleased with Win7, I plan on using it for a decade. So, meh.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 12:50    Post subject:
That's obviously an application that comes with Windows 8, or a theme, not the main desktop (I hope).


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 12:57    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
That's obviously an application that comes with Windows 8, or a theme, not the main desktop (I hope).


We might always be surprised on just how derp they can go! Laughing


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 12:58    Post subject:
It's an application just like WMC, turn it off and you got the good old Windows 7. Nothing to fuss about, we won't find this interesting, so we just won't use it.
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It's an application just like WMC, turn it off and you got the good old Windows 7. Nothing to fuss about, we won't find this interesting, so we just won't use it.


We do find it interesting, we're discussing it! Laughing Cool Face


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 14:55    Post subject:
Windows 7 with candy.probly have to login thru Facebook..funny they do the same with their sh*tbox spam a million crappy games and hope they sell.


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 15:04    Post subject:
Its meant for tablets, if there's an option to turn it off I'm fine with it.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 15:05    Post subject:
Hopefully it will be possible to avoid all the derp iPad-influenced stuff:

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Windows 8 essentially supports two kinds of applications. One is the classic Windows application, which runs in a desktop very similar to the Windows 7 desktop.


(Anyway I don't see any exciting reason to switch to W8 at the moment.)
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 15:10    Post subject:
"With a single press of a button you switch between the normal desktop and the new UI". The new UI is aimed at touch screens. The standard desktop will be default with a normal desktop key+mouse system.



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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 15:44    Post subject:
App on the system?!

wtff?!

I don't like how it looks.

W7 ftw...


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 16:28    Post subject:
That looks pretty sweet and sexy. I like how it looks. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 20:47    Post subject:
It's Windows Phone 7 on the desktop. Laughing But it's good for finger, so a tablet with Windows would suddenly not feel retarded anymore. This is a huge step. Has anyone tried a Windows 7 tablet? It's hilariously bad. With this, you have finally a great shell and integrated touch services in the OS, while still being able to connect to the 1080p with the BT keyboard and mouse and use as normal desktop. I think it's fantastic. As usual, people jump to conclusions without knowing the facts. Derp? Tell that again when you try to press the close button with your finger on a 9" display.

This is what Windows Phone 7 should have been. A pretty shell, but with the ability to go deep and have the power of a normal Windows.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 21:07    Post subject:
Ok, but as an OS for comp?

It s an OS for phone and tablets, not desktops. I think they'll fail in the PC market with this, but could gain in the tablet market...


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 21:20    Post subject:
Oh stop going on about the fucking interface already, it's something you can turn off.

I personally think this is great too, because it's still Windows 7 in all its glory, but this time with an optional shell available for use with touchscreens. Considering I have several relatives who have been considering buying one of these all-in-one pieces of shit (talked them out of it, thankfully), I can only welcome an interface which:
A) Works properly with touchscreens
B) Is more dummy proof than the OS has ever been, great for my relatives Very Happy

And for the last time: the whole tile interface is a SEPARATE application, just like Media Center is. Don't want? Then don't bloody use it Smile
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 21:25    Post subject:
Faulting an OS for an optional software is stupid. It's like faulting 7 for having Media Center or XP for having Notepad.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 21:32    Post subject:
Well by that standard, OS X is the last OS anyone should ever use, more bloat in that than in 7 Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 21:44    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Faulting an OS for an optional software is stupid. It's like faulting 7 for having Media Center or XP for having Notepad.


^^this and I already liked the design of windows phone 7 so this looks pretty good I'd say.

Ofc it's derpy but it's just a layer on top. I'm quite sure that you can even disable it's automated startup.


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 21:52    Post subject:
I wonder if I can put that shit on my second monitor instead of other gadgets and widgets...
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 21:57    Post subject:
I haven't seen the usual tab. The whole windows looks like one big media center.

I guess it's too early to judge, I'll just have to wait and see...


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 22:16    Post subject:
dingo_d wrote:
Ok, but as an OS for comp?

It s an OS for phone and tablets, not desktops. I think they'll fail in the PC market with this, but could gain in the tablet market...


Optional UI != OS.

This is ridiculous, same old anti-Windows nonsense with arguments based on nonsense instead of valid observations and facts.


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Jun 2011 22:17    Post subject:
dingo_d wrote:
I haven't seen the usual tab. The whole windows looks like one big media center.

I guess it's too early to judge, I'll just have to wait and see...


That particular UI is tailored for touch screens (tablets etc.) which Windows 8 will be released for (incl. ARM-devices).


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