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DXWarlock
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but if it helps any, arguing with you has spurred my desire to support taxes just to piss you off.
so in turn your debate to open our eyes has been counter productive to your cause, turning your listeners into those that oppose.
higher taxes I say! charge tax on paying taxes! hell tax people for the amount they make UNDER a certain income level! may the skies be blacked out by the sheer amount of tax dollars being fed to feed the hungry corporate machine!
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 01:05 Post subject: |
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| |DXWarlock wrote: | but if it helps any, arguing with you has spurred my desire to support taxes just to piss you off.
so in turn your debate to open our eyes has been counter productive to your cause, turning your listeners into those that oppose.
higher taxes I say! charge tax on paying taxes! hell tax people for the amount they make UNDER a certain income level! may the skies be blacked out by the sheer amount of tax dollars being fed to feed the hungry corporate machine! |
Up until the last few posts, I actually considered you an opponent worthy of my time.
I was wrong!
Being infantile has won you the argument, congratulations, you are now the chief of the flock.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 01:06 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | Up until the last few posts, I actually considered you an opponent worthy of my time.
I was wrong!
Being infantile has won you the argument, congratulations, you are now the chief of the flock. |
Hell at least you considered me one, I was still waiting for you to become one of mine.
and thanks, do I get a corporate office of Flock INC. where I can count my tax money?
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 01:08 Post subject: |
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| |DXWarlock wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | Up until the last few posts, I actually considered you an opponent worthy of my time.
I was wrong!
Being infantile has won you the argument, congratulations, you are now the chief of the flock. |
Hell at least you considered me one, I was still waiting for you to become one of mine.
and thanks, do I get a corporate office of Flock INC. where I can count my tax money? |
You do realize that being applauded by sYn, Waldo and many others, although uplifting and socially empowering, doesn't make you any less wrong, do you?
Just something worth thinking about.
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 01:09 Post subject: |
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@whinge... stop preaching. I seriously will report every preachy post you make. You can't debate. You won't debate. You are immature...
| Sin317 wrote: | | I win, you lose. Or Go fuck yourself. |
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Neon
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 01:12 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | |DXWarlock wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | Up until the last few posts, I actually considered you an opponent worthy of my time.
I was wrong!
Being infantile has won you the argument, congratulations, you are now the chief of the flock. |
Hell at least you considered me one, I was still waiting for you to become one of mine.
and thanks, do I get a corporate office of Flock INC. where I can count my tax money? |
You do realize that being applauded by sYn, Waldo and many others, although uplifting and socially empowering, doesn't make you any less wrong, do you?
Just something worth thinking about. |
if I was it wouldn't make you anymore right either.
and I didn't applaud anyone. all my viewpoints of of my own sheepish delusional mind.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 01:16 Post subject: |
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lets just agree to disagree and admit we are really one in the same.
you hate taxes think they suck and should be taken away.
I think taxes are a needed evil, and no better alternative has been offered.
in the end we are both doing jack shit about fixing the problem,
and THATS what matters..bitch or deal with it, either way, if no one in this argument is actively trying to correct it..its just mud filing for the sake of getting dirty.
so we are both of the same mentality.. "eh what you gonna do?" just you are more vocal about "ITS SUCKS, but eh what am I gonna do?"
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 01:22 Post subject: |
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| WaldoJ wrote: | | Sometimes, on days like these, i wish rapture was real. |
<3 You are the reason I love this forum hahaha
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 01:24 Post subject: |
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| |DXWarlock wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | |DXWarlock wrote: |
Hell at least you considered me one, I was still waiting for you to become one of mine.
and thanks, do I get a corporate office of Flock INC. where I can count my tax money? |
You do realize that being applauded by sYn, Waldo and many others, although uplifting and socially empowering, doesn't make you any less wrong, do you?
Just something worth thinking about. |
if I was it wouldn't make you anymore right either.
and I didn't applaud anyone. all my viewpoints of of my own sheepish delusional mind. |
I'm a very peculiar person, and you ought to have understood that by now.
Having this said I'll make you a deal, I do have answers for your questions, and they might impress you or might not, and I'm willing to have a proper debate with you, if you also are of course.
I also reckon that I'm extremely intolerant towards people that I perceive as limited and wrong.
But I'm willing to leave all that aside for a long argument with you.
I have one condition though, I want you to elaborate what sort of aspects of society you personally think are more important and take precedent over the principle of the illegitimacy of taxation.
I will tell you again, the answers that you'll hear from me, you haven't heard anywhere else before, due to the fact that I developed many of this new concepts and institutions myself.
Let me know what you think, and if you're interest, I expect not to have our conversation detoured by trolls.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 01:31 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | I have one condition though, I want you to elaborate what sort of aspects of society you personally think are more important and take precedent over the principle of the illegitimacy of taxation.
I will tell you again, the answers that you'll hear from me, you haven't heard anywhere else before, due to the fact that I developed many of this new concepts and institutions myself.
Let me know what you think, and if you're interest, I expect not to have our conversation detoured by trolls. |
but that's not for me to decide, as its for the public, which means you need to take a poll of the populace to find out what they as a whole need. asking ME which ones I want and finding solutions for them is each..its one viewpoint to stick to. when you take the viewpoint of people as a whole, and everyone wants everything in different ways.
for use to debate and theorycraft hypothetical of what the population considers important services will do no good for actually solving an issue..it just makes us have a simulation of what wed expect with made up variables.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 01:36 Post subject: |
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| |DXWarlock wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | I have one condition though, I want you to elaborate what sort of aspects of society you personally think are more important and take precedent over the principle of the illegitimacy of taxation.
I will tell you again, the answers that you'll hear from me, you haven't heard anywhere else before, due to the fact that I developed many of this new concepts and institutions myself.
Let me know what you think, and if you're interest, I expect not to have our conversation detoured by trolls. |
but that's not for me to decide, as its for the public, which means you need to take a poll of the populace to find out what they as a whole need. asking ME which ones I want and finding solutions for them is each..its one viewpoint to stick to. when you take the viewpoint of people as a whole, and everyone wants everything in different ways.
for use to debate and theorycraft hypothetical of what the population considers important services will do no good for actually solving an issue..it just makes us have a simulation of what wed expect with made up variables. |
But I'm debating it with you, and in the end of the conversation you might refer to me as a genius or as an imbecile, nonetheless, I want you to tell me personally what specific services are more important than the principle being discussed.
Another thing, why do you refer to society as a single organism, when you obviously realize that much of the discord relies on the fact that most individuals have different self interests?
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 01:44 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | |DXWarlock wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | I have one condition though, I want you to elaborate what sort of aspects of society you personally think are more important and take precedent over the principle of the illegitimacy of taxation.
I will tell you again, the answers that you'll hear from me, you haven't heard anywhere else before, due to the fact that I developed many of this new concepts and institutions myself.
Let me know what you think, and if you're interest, I expect not to have our conversation detoured by trolls. |
but that's not for me to decide, as its for the public, which means you need to take a poll of the populace to find out what they as a whole need. asking ME which ones I want and finding solutions for them is each..its one viewpoint to stick to. when you take the viewpoint of people as a whole, and everyone wants everything in different ways.
for use to debate and theorycraft hypothetical of what the population considers important services will do no good for actually solving an issue..it just makes us have a simulation of what wed expect with made up variables. |
But I'm debating it with you, and in the end of the conversation you might refer to me as a genius or as an imbecile, nonetheless, I want you to tell me personally what specific services are more important than the principle being discussed.
Another thing, why do you refer to society as a single organism, when you obviously realize that much of the discord relies on the fact that most individuals have different self interests? |
but how have you made a structure for a new world order, that depends on people..without asking masses of people what interests them? wouldn't you need mass amounts of input data first, to determine what WONT crumble when you hit the on switch? 'best laid plans of mice and men" and all that.
and what more important? well to me (personally) I kinda like the idea that there is people that deter and punish people that may want to rape my kids and kill me, OVER the idea of them taking a bit of my money to do so. so to me, that one, the idea of "hmm I can keep a bit of cash, and possibly have a mob riot in my yard due to lack of enforcement, or I can give up some cash, and sleep safe at night without needing to keep a loaded gun.
from your view..there is NO reasonable service that's being payed for with your stolen money that you see as at least a worth while cause for its use?
cant believe I'm even arguing this. maybe its because I dont have the deep seated "Ive been morally raped and kicked over the fence afterwards" feel that taxes seems to give you. the way I see it, lets say they take 500 in taxes from me...if there was no taxes, Id be paying 500 voluntarily for Something to take its place...either way its 500 I don't have.
But either way Im really done.. the most you want to do is pitch a sale to me on how you'd get rid of taxes so Id agree with you. I don't really have that big an interest in taxes either way to want to bother 
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 01:58 Post subject: |
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| |DXWarlock wrote: | | But either way Im really done.. the most you want to do is pitch a sale to me on how you'd get rid of taxes so Id agree with you. I don't really have that big an interest in taxes either way to want to bother |
And this is why I sincerely get so aggressive in my debates, because for all you know, I can just have another utopian theory or I can have a tangible solution to fix all societal problems, (most of them at least), and your answer? You just don't have that a big interest in the subject to bother, so for you the perpetuation of something that is one of the worst principles in society takes precedent over your unwillingness to even absorb new information that can redefine your worldview?
When I criticize you, I criticize everyone who takes this stance, "no no, we just keep on stealing everyone to fund our system, we don't want to hear your solutions even if it's the best solution since the beginning of humanity, and if you refuse to pay, we'll take care of you".
Now answer me, sincerely, isn't it frustrating?
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Why the fuck bother with all this bullshit? Life your life, deal with what happens yourself. Don't try to change anyone to conform to your own standards, it's just much easier for you to adjust to the world. No matter how bad the world gets you will always be able to adjust and make yourself happy. Just don't rely on the world to change for you to be happier. That's how I live.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 02:14 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | |DXWarlock wrote: | | But either way Im really done.. the most you want to do is pitch a sale to me on how you'd get rid of taxes so Id agree with you. I don't really have that big an interest in taxes either way to want to bother |
And this is why I sincerely get so aggressive in my debates, because for all you know, I can just have another utopian theory or I can have a tangible solution to fix all societal problems, (most of them at least), and your answer? You just don't have that a big interest in the subject to bother, so for you the perpetuation of something that is one of the worst principles in society takes precedent over your unwillingness to even absorb new information that can redefine your worldview?
When I criticize you, I criticize everyone who takes this stance, "no no, we just keep on stealing everyone to fund our system, we don't want to hear your solutions even if it's the best solution since the beginning of humanity, and if you refuse to pay, we'll take care of you".
Now answer me, sincerely, isn't it frustrating? |
not really, as not everyone will support an ideal...you ask, they say no..you move on.
you get enough no's you realize you need to adjust your ideal.
you cannot expect everyone you meet to want to join the revolution. getting frustrated at that is infantile at best. and if no one wants to join, then perhaps the ideal that person had isn't as important as they thought. your passion for a subject doesn't not relay how important or not it is as a whole.
and there you go again, trying to state opinion as fact " worst principles in society ". that is not a fact..its your opinion. and you can argue and say its a fact. but I can think of 4 things worse than taxes off the top of my head in my opinion. and im sure everyone else on here has different views on whats the top 1.
perhaps if you stated things like "In my opinion one of the worst principles in society" that would curb some of the anger.
lets say I said "killing stray animals in a pound is the worst principle in society, it shows our barbaric roots and lack of sympathy to creatures" and every time you said "that's not a fact its your view" and I returned with "NO ITS A FACT!".
see how that's frustrating...
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Horrordee
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enough of this ego-centric faggocity,
Space for rent. Contact me for rates!
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