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| [sYn] wrote: |
You are the one who needs to provide others with validation in order to consider them on the same level as you. None of these actions scream anarchism to me, they in fact scream communism. :O!
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Actually communism and anarchism are pretty close. With of course the difference that communism wants a state before utopia to teach and take the people there, while anarchists sees the state as corrupt to begin with. Same goal pretty much though...
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| Posted: Fri, 27th May 2011 22:58 Post subject: |
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Indeed, Ronhrin just needs to realise he wants to dictate, not allow utter freedom.
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| Posted: Fri, 27th May 2011 23:03 Post subject: |
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This is all besides the point.
1. No one cares about the insistent ravings of the madman.
2. Everyone dislikes having to see every discussion Ronhrin participates in turn into a debate on freedom of choice, anarchy and whatever the fruitcake.
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| Posted: Fri, 27th May 2011 23:07 Post subject: |
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| iconized wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | iconized wrote: | | The thing that angered me in the past having a discussion with you Ronhrin, you are not interested in the truth. You want to win the debate whatever it takes using fallacies, rephrasing words, claiming views, opinions as facts. I just felt offended intellectually but I always have the option to ignore debating threads unless you bring the debate to threads that have other purposes. |
I'm sorry if I gave you that idea, perhaps you misinterpreted it as the arrogance I often reply with when I perceive the people as incapable to understand what I'm arguing.
I will attempt to correct myself in that regard. |
| iconized wrote: | | Oh btw with "rephrasing" I basically meant altering the meaning. |
This is just exactly what I mean. You ignore the lot and comment on the possibility that a rephrase can be a paraphrase and then stating that you do that because you think the other doesn't understand you. I am still wondering if you are trolling or just incapable of coherent thinking, like that your obsessions take over and make you produce absolute bullshit larded with enough uncommon words so you might portray yourself as intelligent. |
What do you want me to say, that I have recognized I was wrong in some situations before and refused to admit it? Fine, I give you that pleasure, I did it some times in the past..
You know why?
Not because I wanted desperately to win the argument like you mentioned previously, but rather because of admitting a mistake which I previously had claimed as fact would, in my view, seem like an act of inconsistency, and I really have a problem with showing weakness or mistake to others, having this said, none of those situations where fundamental mistakes on my core argument but rather secondary aspects of it.
There, you have my written recognition, that I've mistaken myself before, and trust me, that is really something from me.
With this out of the way, I still claim that the core of my discourse regarding politics and philosophy is valid, coherent and can be proven as truth.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
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| Posted: Fri, 27th May 2011 23:47 Post subject: |
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whatever
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 00:04 Post subject: |
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| garus wrote: | You should be banned for making a thread about your ban and reaching 7 pages!  |
And curiously I only made a handful of posts in the last 2 pages 
Do not worry, my ego is replenished due to the fact that I'm a topic of critical analysis, even if mostly driven out of a flock mentality with a negative mindset.
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 00:06 Post subject: |
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I'm amused that despite all of this, you've learn nothing. Truly shocking.. I guess I shouldn't expect anything more from you...
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 00:16 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | | I'm amused that despite all of this, you've learn nothing. Truly shocking.. I guess I shouldn't expect anything more from you... |
| |DXWarlock wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | garus wrote: | | You should be banned for making a thread about your ban and reaching 7 pages! |
And curiously I only made a handful of posts in the last 2 pages
Do not worry, my ego is replenished due to the fact that I'm a topic of critical analysis, even if mostly driven out of a flock mentality with a negative mindset.
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because when negative attention still counts as attention to some people...quantity counts! |
I was obviously trolling with my latest remark!..
Nevertheless, you keep on thinking how arrogant and self entitled I am, and I'll keep on stating that all arguments of need are irrelevant when confronted with an argument of principle.
And when DXWarlock or anyone else comes on here and engages in the same line of reasoning as before, "but wait, how do we pay for this", I'll keep on stating the same until he perceives how illegitimate is for him to decide to impose the Matrix on all of us, because that's what you're doing you know?
You are free to blind yourself and live out of convenience as you remarked earlier about your tasty Matrix steak, but the thing is, that's your choice and your choice alone, and by supporting a concept such as taxation, you are imposing it on everyone else.
It is irrelevant if you are the majority and I'm the minority, it's still an imposition of your choice in the rest of us.
And to criticize me for being the one who imposes and forces anything into someone else it's laughable.
Are the previous example dumb down enough?
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 00:17 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | And when DXWarlock or anyone else comes on here and engages in the same line of reasoning as before, "but wait, how do we pay for this", I'll keep on stating the same until he perceives how illegitimate is for him to decide to impose the Matrix on all of us, because that's what you're doing you know?
You are free to blind yourself and live out of convenience as you remarked earlier about your tasty Matrix steak, but the thing is, that's your choice and your choice alone, and by supporting a concept such as taxation, you are imposing it on everyone else.
It is irrelevant if you are the majority and I'm the minority, it's still an imposition of your choice in the rest of us.
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put the bat down, and back away slowly..the horse is dead sir.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 00:30 Post subject: |
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In a way, it's me who end up finding this entire argument funny.
When the flock is proven wrong, it responds with a non argument.
When I'm questioned about specifics, I'm the one who's missing a connection with the real world.
You inferred more than once that you have a choice and you chose this wonderful, magnificent system on the road to it's collapse.
I ask you countless times, how do you justify and legitimate the imposition of your system on those who disagree with it fundamentally?
Your answer?
The practicality of keeping such system fair would be highly complex so we just impose it on everyone.
And I'm the one who's ridicularized...
Fine, go right ahead, being ridicularized for such reason will only add to my ego, prove me wrong on principle or just recognize that your argument is invalid.
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 00:33 Post subject: |
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rofl you are incredible..on ignore list you go
8 out of 10 dentists prefer zipfero to competing brands(fraich3 and Mutantius)!
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 00:34 Post subject: |
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| zipfero wrote: | | rofl you are incredible..on ignore list you go |
Back in the day..you went and beat crap out of other person
Today it is " OMFG I WILL IGNORE YOU AND REMOVE YOU FROM FACEBOOK"
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 00:38 Post subject: |
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| zipfero wrote: | | rofl you are incredible..on ignore list you go |
You can take me out of ignore when you figure out how to really make a ridicule of myself, by proving my argument illogical.
I have a feeling though, I will be on your ignore forever!
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61 people are regretting their choice...
@whinge go to godlikeproductions are lot of nut jobs are there.
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I too love the attention of others. But really, is this not too great a length to go to?
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 00:40 Post subject: |
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| WaldoJ wrote: | 61 people are regretting their choice...
@whinge go to godlikeproductions are lot of nut jobs are there. |
^ This looks strikingly similar to the average Youtube comment.
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| [sYn] wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | Fine, go right ahead, being ridicularized for such reason will only add to my ego, prove me wrong on principle or just recognize that your argument is invalid. |
No matter how big your ego gets, how right you think you are and just how dreadful this world gets in your eyes, you will never see you ideals happen. I'm pretty happy knowing that even if I am wrong, at least the rest of the world agrees with me.
My quota for putting up with morons has ran out for the year. See you in 12 months. |
You know, that mindset was what made religion be the monster that it was for the last many centuries.
But I'm sure that being socially fit is more important than being right, for you at least.
For me being logically coherent and correct is more important than any satisfaction you can get from being in unquestionable agreement with the social group you're inserted.
Many of you call me attention whore, when in fact I'm not.
But if I where to call most of you social whores, I wouldn't be wrong.
And I don't mean that as an insult, but rather as what most of you are explicitly stating about your ideals.
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| Posted: Sat, 28th May 2011 00:51 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | I ask you countless times, how do you justify and legitimate the imposition of your system on those who disagree with it fundamentally? |
And I ask you for a suitable and reasonable alternative that all people from all walks of life will agree upon and work as well.
I don't "support' taxes as you make it seem, as if I go out rallying for taxation..
provide me with an equally worthwhile option and I will gladly support it. (a well thought out option not that "voluntary crap..you know as well as I do that would die within a year. with people being people and all).
but either way..we get it, you hate taxation, any form of centrally controlled government, and who else knows (well cares really).
like i said, the horse is dead. its a circular argument thats been going on for centuries since taxation started...hell its what STARTED america.. you think that you can solve the issue? probably not.. the most you can do is point and go "TAXATION BAD, TAXATION BURN WALLET!" and theory craft on a utopian society based on unrealistic and proven to fail ideals.
so again, balls in your court, all agree, taxes are bad...provide us with a working alternative that hasn't been proven to fail in practice...oh great and infinitely wise holder of truth.
if you cant, STFU (Ive never told anyone to do that). but it applies....either get off your ass and work out the issues and show us. or stay quiet and be an armchair rebel in your own house.
anyone can bitch about problems...show us your above them and provide an alternative that makes sense.
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Sometimes, on days like these, i wish rapture was real.
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I'd rather have both. Just without extremists.
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| |DXWarlock wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | I ask you countless times, how do you justify and legitimate the imposition of your system on those who disagree with it fundamentally? |
And I ask you for a suitable and reasonable alternative that all people from all walks of life will agree upon and work as well.
I don't "support' taxes as you make it seem, as if I go out rallying for taxation..
provide me with an equally worthwhile option and I will gladly support it. (a well thought out option not that "voluntary crap..you know as well as I do that would die within a year. with people being people and all).
but either way..we get it, you hate taxation, any form of centrally controlled government, and who else knows (well cares really).
like i said, the horse is dead. its a circular argument thats been going on for centuries since taxation started...hell its what STARTED america.. you think that you can solve the issue? probably not.. the most you can do is point and go "TAXATION BAD, TAXATION BURN WALLET!" and theory craft on a utopian society based on unrealistic and proven to fail ideals.
so again, balls in your court, all agree, taxes are bad...provide us with a working alternative that hasn't been proven to fail in practice...oh great and infinitely wise holder of truth.
if you cant, STFU (Ive never told anyone to do that). but it applies....either get off your ass and work out the issues and show us. or stay quiet and be an armchair rebel in your own house. |
I can answer to your question, but I won't (and you can claim all you want that I'm making an unproven claim).
The reason why I won't answer to your question is not my incapability or coherence in answering it.
It's because you are, again, missing the point, you are missing the point that I've shown you countless times and you choose to ignore again and again.
The point that, even if there where no alternatives, even if it was utterly impossible to keep certain services in operation without taxation.
Taxation being wrong (as you claimed everyone would agree), is unjustifiable, IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.
It is unjustifiable as an exceptional, momentary situation, it is much more unjustifiable as the lynch pin of society.
My answer would be, there is not one public or private section that justifies the violation of the principle that is taxation.
Having this said, there are solutions, and not the ones you referred earlier, but it is only worth discussing them when you recognize the fundamental truth of what I'm arguing here.
That NOTHING justifies taxation.
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