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Ronhrin
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| FireMaster wrote: | I do need to post further:
You sick creamy dicks |
Adding something productive for the discussion aren't we?...
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
- Benjamin Franklin - 1759
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 23:59 Post subject: |
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it's a fact that must be added to everyone's knowledge.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 00:00 Post subject: |
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| FireMaster wrote: | | it's a fact that must be added to everyone's knowledge. |
*ignored*
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
- Benjamin Franklin - 1759
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 00:02 Post subject: |
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oh look there I made him rage it seems your species does have emotions after all, great finding
oh Hello rhonrin too curious to let this comment be ignored?
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Sin317
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 01:31 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | FireMaster wrote: | | it's a fact that must be added to everyone's knowledge. |
*ignored* |
+1 , especially since FM is a self declared troll lol.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 01:48 Post subject: |
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| Sin317 wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | FireMaster wrote: | | it's a fact that must be added to everyone's knowledge. |
*ignored* |
+1 , especially since FM is a self declared troll lol. |
I realized that a few months ago up until now I was arrogant about my certitude that a stateless society could work, but I never quite debated how I achieved this conclusion, merely that I did, and everyone who didn't saw it as I did was either ignorant or stupid.
Although my points are unchanged and I still stand with the same conclusion, I admit I was wrong in treating it as a fact, when it isn't a fact but rather only a theory.
Having this said I really hate that I'm not even debating Anarchism per se, but rather something much more fundamental than that, and some people come along and just don't read my posts, they just assume that I'm ranting about the government or anything of the sort.
I have made my point about consent and society a couple of times now, and all the replies I've got was about "how would Anarchism work?" when I made it clear time and time again that I'm discussing some other thing!..
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
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Sin317
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 17:12 Post subject: |
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Its typical brainwash. The term "Anarchy" has been twisted to something evil and bad over the last 100 years. The Governments turned into the evil of all evil. Shows you how scared they are of losing control ...
Something you arent afraid of, you wouldnt care about and certainly wouldnt lie about it ....
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Frant
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 17:16 Post subject: |
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 17:32 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | Frant wrote: | I'll give FM.... 8/10
Good effort, trolling made by the book. |
You applaud his attitude because it serves your needs and because you have no interest on the subject.
If the circumstances of discussion where different you would have a very different reaction.  |
Damn, you didn't even get it, did you? You don't have a single funny bone in your body, and you lack any sort of attention to anything other than your own crusade. He's trolling you dude, and you keep responding to it, like a fish keeps biting the hook. I'm beginning to question your sanity at this point. 
Didn't his 'signature' give you a hint? Since you've ignored him I'll show you:
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Of course I get it, but that's not the point, the point is that people like you, who are to some degree active in this conversation, don't comment on my posts , but rather help FM's attempt at trolling.
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zipfero
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 17:43 Post subject: |
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Thats because we think you are as crazy as he does
8 out of 10 dentists prefer zipfero to competing brands(fraich3 and Mutantius)!
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 17:48 Post subject: |
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| zipfero wrote: | | Thats because we think you are as crazy as he does |
Again, Atheists only a mere 200 years ago were considered batshit insane by majority opinion.
You think I'm crazy for questioning everything? And I think you're crazy for questioning nothing.
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Sin317
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 18:38 Post subject: |
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"question authority"
ni dieu ni maître
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WaldoJ
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You question everything that suits you to be questioned. You don't question everything. For pete's sake you think people will be helping one another. I question what will happen when anarchy hits and none of those answers are quite pleasant. They're pleasant answers when you talk shit and say it'll be shiny and glorious and no more taxes, no more bull shit, live your life free, truly free without any problems or anything. BIG ASS FUCKING LOL!
You're crazy because you don't understand humanity. You understand your own pleasant, possible, concept of humanity. The world is as racist, as vile, as inhumane as it ever was. Nothing has changed. Nothing will change. We're monsters. Every single one of us. Including you.
Anarchy isn't the answer for what's best for everyone, it's the answer to what's best for you. Like i said, everyone is greedy, and atheists and anarchists are the greediest of them all.
You really need to realize how the world works, how people work, and how people are and how they behave. Thinking you know all of those things while spamming simple bullshit is really annoying! Seriously. Reading fiction about this and that doesn't educate you on humanity. Experience does. And as much knowledge you think you about every subject relating anarchy, you lack just as much experience in the real world.
Reason anarchy hasn't gone out and became popular is the very same reason why communism hasn't became popular.
People don't really want it. You force it on people and make them think they want it... is bull shit. It equates to the church and the state. You really are digging your own grave here by trying to persuade people why this is such a good idea.
| Sin317 wrote: | | I win, you lose. Or Go fuck yourself. |
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 19:14 Post subject: |
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| WaldoJ wrote: | You question everything that suits you to be questioned. You don't question everything. For pete's sake you think people will be helping one another. I question what will happen when anarchy hits and none of those answers are quite pleasant. They're pleasant answers when you talk shit and say it'll be shiny and glorious and no more taxes, no more bull shit, live your life free, truly free without any problems or anything. BIG ASS FUCKING LOL!
You're crazy because you don't understand humanity. You understand your own pleasant, possible, concept of humanity. The world is as racist, as vile, as inhumane as it ever was. Nothing has changed. Nothing will change. We're monsters. Every single one of us. Including you.
Anarchy isn't the answer for what's best for everyone, it's the answer to what's best for you. Like i said, everyone is greedy, and atheists and anarchists are the greediest of them all.
You really need to realize how the world works, how people work, and how people are and how they behave. Thinking you know all of those things while spamming simple bullshit is really annoying! Seriously. Reading fiction about this and that doesn't educate you on humanity. Experience does. And as much knowledge you think you about every subject relating anarchy, you lack just as much experience in the real world.
Reason anarchy hasn't gone out and became popular is the very same reason why communism hasn't became popular.
People don't really want it. You force it on people and make them think they want it... is bull shit. It equates to the church and the state. You really are digging your own grave here by trying to persuade people why this is such a good idea. |
Go read my 15 previous posts, I'm not discussing Anarchism vs Current society.
And yes I'm suitable to be questioned, never said otherwise, the thing is, I'm not being questioned the great majority of the time, but rather ignored.
If you disagree with me, confront my points, not myself, rather than ignoring me or attacking my person.
But again, what I'm arguing is that society is a contractual construct in which individuals give their permissive consent in it's existence, society is therefore a transcendent concept emerging only from the willingness of the individual.
When this transcendent construct rejects the individual self in order to maintain the status quo, society becomes by itself a paradox and should not exist under that current form, REGARDLESS of what a society that upholds absolute consent would look like.
The only societal form that has been theorized and studied through out history that I'm aware of, has been Anarchism, but this does not matter to the argument that I'm making, what I'm arguing, plain and simply, is that a society that doesn't treat individual consent as an absolute, cannot exist. (and with this argument I'm allowing the State to exist, if it is absolutely consentual for all individuals, rather than delineating consent as a majority/minority selection of societal groups).
That is my core argument.
On another note, concerning Anarchism specifically as a doctrine/ideology, you are very wrong, I do not rely on any way, shape or form, on individuals helping one another, quite on the contrary, I'm accounting for a competitive, vicious society that works for better or for worse just as society works now, merely without a centralized State, perhaps I've not made myself clear enough about this point.
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Sin317
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 19:29 Post subject: |
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most people dont get the whole idea of "anarchy". they just think its random violence and chaos (wont get into the chaos part, too long).
they apply todays society into another situation, thinking people would react as they would, are, now.
Forgetting that it is indeed todays society that creates all those evils, which wouldnt be there anymore.
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Frant
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 19:31 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | ...that a society that doesn't treat individual consent as an absolute, cannot exist.... |
I don't know if it's a language thing or if you're using 'special' logic, but that statement is obviously false. The state does exist, in many forms, all over the globe. Perhaps you mean "should not exist"?
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Feb 2011 19:35 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | Quote: | | ...that a society that doesn't treat individual consent as an absolute, cannot exist.... |
I don't know if it's a language thing or if you're using 'special' logic, but that statement is obviously false. The state does exist, in many forms, all over the globe. Perhaps you mean "should not exist"? |
Yes, when I said cannot exist it's not in the sense that it's "impossible" to exist, but rather that should not exist because it's fundamental premise is built upon a paradoxical argument.
And again, with this fundamental logical assertion, the State is allowed to exist as long as it is absolutely consentual in all of it's aspects.
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I hit too many of his buttons and hurt his feelings, boys, time to take the lead, and follow the path I've made for you.
farewell endless thread of bullshit and empty self-gratification.
why did you unignore this post, rhonrigin?
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