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So Russia is not shitty? 
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Dec 2010 13:25 Post subject: |
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@Frant: 
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Dec 2010 13:35 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | So Russia is not shitty? |
the outcome is what you putin  |
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Dec 2010 13:47 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | | iNatan wrote: | | So Russia is not shitty? |
the outcome is what you putin |
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| Atropa wrote: | | The question seems rather open to me. Nothing is said about how religion defined. |
This is it. Religion no more has to be based on make believe than music needs to be based on sex & drugs. The more atheists act like dum bigots tarring all religion with the same brush the stronger church protagonists position on religion is. Promote atheism as a rational & liberated way of addressing religious questions & the church monkeys are fucked. Religion is not going anywhere, it just needs to be updated to fit with modern intellectual (reason) & political (liberty) views.
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Dec 2010 22:01 Post subject: |
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| Neon wrote: | 74.5% - yes, important.  19,5- no, unimportant
TBH I'm surprised almost 20% said that it's not important, Poland is a fucking christian nazi land. |
Sorry, I think my country wins in the religion  contest.
We even have so called 'Vatican contracts', by which we have to give money (~40 million € every yr) to the church, even tho we are not religious or are using any of their 'services' -.-''
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Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Dec 2010 22:16 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | Atropa wrote: | | The question seems rather open to me. Nothing is said about how religion defined. |
This is it. Religion no more has to be based on make believe than music needs to be based on sex & drugs. The more atheists act like dum bigots tarring all religion with the same brush the stronger church protagonists position on religion is. Promote atheism as a rational & liberated way of addressing religious questions & the church monkeys are fucked. Religion is not going anywhere, it just needs to be updated to fit with modern intellectual (reason) & political (liberty) views. |
While ChinUp does write a lot of high shit, he is spot on with this post.
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sex with catholic school girls getting to your head? If you know what i mean and i think that you do
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| tainted4ever wrote: | | ChinUp wrote: | | Atropa wrote: | | The question seems rather open to me. Nothing is said about how religion defined. |
This is it. Religion no more has to be based on make believe than music needs to be based on sex & drugs. The more atheists act like dum bigots tarring all religion with the same brush the stronger church protagonists position on religion is. Promote atheism as a rational & liberated way of addressing religious questions & the church monkeys are fucked. Religion is not going anywhere, it just needs to be updated to fit with modern intellectual (reason) & political (liberty) views. |
While ChinUp does write a lot of high shit, he is spot on with this post.
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I don't really think that religion will always be here. Lately we really are witness to the rise of atheism, and I think that it's a good thing. Means that ppl will think. It will take a lot of time for us to cure of the disease that is religion, but we'll get there 
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Frant wrote: | | Oh come on, stop with the semantics already. |
Have a problem with it being uncertain what God is ? Prefer theist myth about God to it being a mystery ?
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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Why would I presume sth like God exist in the first place? I mean ppl in 12th century realized that such a being does't exist so why should I bother?
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |

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| dingo_d wrote: | | Why would I presume sth like God exist in the first place? I mean ppl in 12th century realized that such a being does't exist so why should I bother? |
I think the confusion comes from my not leaping to the conclusion that God is a deity without any evidence to back up such a claim. We currently don't have any way of proving what it is people are experiencing & calling God.
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| ChinUp wrote: | | dingo_d wrote: | | Why would I presume sth like God exist in the first place? I mean ppl in 12th century realized that such a being does't exist so why should I bother? |
I think the confusion comes from my not leaping to the conclusion that God is a deity without any evidence to back up such a claim. We currently don't have any way of proving what it is people are experiencing & calling God. |
we do have logical reasoning, and that got us pretty far.
I like the things that need to be discovered, but just saying there is something out there that we cannot know anything about and that can be misused to fit others need is simply stupid.
It's like automatically giving up and I think that human mind has no limits...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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dingo_d .. believing people are making shit up is just as irrational as believing what people are experiencing cannot be explained ever. In between these two extremes we have the rational option to acknowledge that God exists as something natural people are experiencing but we cannot yet explain it.
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| ChinUp wrote: | | In between these two extremes we have the rational option to acknowledge that God exists as something natural people are experiencing but we cannot yet explain it. |
We do?
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Well if that's what you believe good for you  I just don't see how it contributes to my being to believe in sth I can 'kill' with logic... But that's just me
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |

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| Posted: Sat, 4th Dec 2010 14:26 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | dingo_d .. believing people are making shit up is just as irrational as believing what people are experiencing cannot be explained ever. In between these two extremes we have the rational option to acknowledge that God exists as something natural people are experiencing but we cannot yet explain it. |
there is a huge body of scientific research called neuroscience (or research from subsets of fields in psychology, biology, medicine, psyhiatry, linguistics and similar) that shows just that. People are making shit up. Or more specific, your brain is making shit up. Be it because of imbalances in hormones or hereditary issues. Or because of lesions to the brain-matter or tumors. There is also a great deal of evidence from drug-studies that states people formerly believed to be transcendence / divination are just induced brain-states.
the knowledge of the human concept of the subernatural / divine often is the bias that makes a subject explain his / her experiences in just those terms. It is jumping to conclusions. This can be shown for example with DMT where the experiences of the "divine" heavily change with the culture people come from and which preconceptions of "god" they have.
the rational conclusion is that there is no god, no supernatural and no divine. Until it can be substantially proven. Otherwise the body of evidence from neuroscience is overwhelmingly showing that it is either subjective bias in experience-explanations or "issues" of the brain (dillusions, schizophrenia, drug-induced phenomena, etc.).
your constant claim that your unexplained divine is in any way rational, is still beyond me. Because you re jumping to conclusions for phenomena that can be explained in a multitude of ways. And just because people sometimes prefer to attribute them to god / the divine does not make the conclusion in any way or form rational. Rather the opposite. It s an explanation-bias usually or a mechanism to reduce life's complexity to the "magic" explanation. Why not just say we cannot explain it and leave it at that? |
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| Posted: Sat, 4th Dec 2010 15:24 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | Frant wrote: | | Oh come on, stop with the semantics already. |
Have a problem with it being uncertain what God is ? Prefer theist myth about God to it being a mystery ? |
No, I have a problem with you marking words and twisting definitions to create arguments that are ultimately pointless. Look up the word "semantics" in a good dictionary.
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