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Frant
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Posted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 10:58 Post subject: Islam - the issue with generalising |
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This is a very good article about where the threat lies and why the average peaceful muslim is irrelevant in the context of the islamist threat.
Quote: | A German's View on Islam: It's the Fanatics, Who Rule
12 Nov, 2007
I used to know a man whose family were German aristocracy prior to World War Two. They owned a number of large industries and estates. I asked him how many German people were true Nazis, and the answer he gave has stuck with me and guided my attitude toward fanaticism ever since.
"Very few people were true Nazis," he said, "but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, we had lost control and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories."
We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking heads" that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam. The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.
It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor killers. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. The hard quantifiable fact is that the "peaceful majority", the "silent majority", is cowed and extraneous.
Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China 's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.
The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery? Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were "peace loving"?
History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.
Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because, like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them and the end of their world will have begun.
Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghanis, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.
As for us who watch it all unfold; we must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life. |
Added link: http://www.middleeastinfo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=16001
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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Posted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 22:47 Post subject: |
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 07:09 Post subject: |
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Very persuasive.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 07:43 Post subject: |
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you didn't read the article? 
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson chiv wrote: | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 09:01 Post subject: |
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Shamanoid wrote: | Bullshit!
All muslims are peace-loving, muslims don't want war. War came to them, look at phalastine look at the massacre there you think people who suicide-bomb themselves do it for fun? Is that what you media tells you? When a man is having dinner with his family, his 5 years old daughter is thirsty he goes to the well outside the house to get her water, he hears an explosion and goes back to fin his wife and kids all in pieces splattered across the floor. I saw a man with nothing left on him but his shoulder and his backbone and i still dream of it and sometimes even vomit ( 5 years now) and i still remember it. Imagine when your whole family dies that why? The family you spent the last 10 or 15 years devoting youself to? what is left in your life? when all what you wanted is for your children to grow up and go to school so that when you become old they can take care of you, now they are gone...who will? A normal man will lose his sanity in such a situation and blowing himself up in the middle of a war-torn country is the best option in my openion.
Same applies to irag, afghanistan and Vietnam. The real threat is america, they are the ones finding good excuses to conquer and raid other countries while brainwashing your brains with false ideas.
And here is one of my favorite sayings :
100 American families gathered in < insert name of luxurious hall here> in memory of the soldiers who dies in war ( sad right? goddamn muslims fucking terrorists) ( 2 billion viewers)
Meanwhile in Iraq, 2000 iraqis gathered in <insert name of rotten bare land filled with dead bodies wraped in black bags here? to BURY the recent dead. ( 15 viewers) |
You are a fucking idiot if you think the best option is to blow ones self up. The only reason they have these problems over in the middle-east is entirely -because- of Islam. I know, without any doubt, that the way of life that most western countries live grants much greater freedoms then a theocracy. So stop blowing yourself up and go buy a Weber grill to cook some hotdogs on.
I just don't get those dumbass's. They are blowing themselves up because they *want* to live in a theocracy? FUCK THAT.
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 10:02 Post subject: |
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 10:02 Post subject: |
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Shamanoid wrote: | Mchart wrote: | Shamanoid wrote: | Bullshit!
All muslims are peace-loving, muslims don't want war. War came to them, look at phalastine look at the massacre there you think people who suicide-bomb themselves do it for fun? Is that what you media tells you? When a man is having dinner with his family, his 5 years old daughter is thirsty he goes to the well outside the house to get her water, he hears an explosion and goes back to fin his wife and kids all in pieces splattered across the floor. I saw a man with nothing left on him but his shoulder and his backbone and i still dream of it and sometimes even vomit ( 5 years now) and i still remember it. Imagine when your whole family dies that why? The family you spent the last 10 or 15 years devoting youself to? what is left in your life? when all what you wanted is for your children to grow up and go to school so that when you become old they can take care of you, now they are gone...who will? A normal man will lose his sanity in such a situation and blowing himself up in the middle of a war-torn country is the best option in my openion.
Same applies to irag, afghanistan and Vietnam. The real threat is america, they are the ones finding good excuses to conquer and raid other countries while brainwashing your brains with false ideas.
And here is one of my favorite sayings :
100 American families gathered in < insert name of luxurious hall here> in memory of the soldiers who dies in war ( sad right? goddamn muslims fucking terrorists) ( 2 billion viewers)
Meanwhile in Iraq, 2000 iraqis gathered in <insert name of rotten bare land filled with dead bodies wraped in black bags here? to BURY the recent dead. ( 15 viewers) |
You are a fucking idiot if you think the best option is to blow ones self up. The only reason they have these problems over in the middle-east is entirely -because- of Islam. I know, without any doubt, that the way of life that most western countries live grants much greater freedoms then a theocracy. So stop blowing yourself up and go buy a Weber grill to cook some hotdogs on.
I just don't get those dumbass's. They are blowing themselves up because they *want* to live in a theocracy? FUCK THAT. |
No you are the fucking idiot because you can't read a goddamn comment proberly. And you make no freaking sense, i don't usually talk to 2nd graders but right now i'm in a good mood.
Unlike you, people who live there don't have a nearby salisbury to go get some groceries, nor do they have a fucking shop to buy a grill from. Do you relise what war is you dumbfuck? when you reach puberty come back and post in this topic.
"They are blowing themselves up because they *want* to live in a theocracy?" you are a fucking dipshit with a dildo up his ass. THE REASON THEY BLOW THEMSELVES UP IS BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO IN LIFE! THEY ARE FUCKING DESPERATE AND NO LONGER HAVE ANYONE TO RELY ON! NOT EVERYONE GETS TO SLEEP IN HIS MOTHERS LAP YOU FUCKED UP SPOLIED BRAT! GO LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW COUNTRIES CURRENTLY IN WAR LOOK LIKE. |
2nd graders, eh?
Proberly.
The war only exsists because utlra-islamic groups like the Taliban keep fighting back. The majority of the population just wants it to end. If the islamic suicide dumbass's would stop being.. stupid - Then you would get your Home Depot to buy grills from.
I've helped villigers dig water trenches, and helped them build a school. A couple years later when I went back the Taliban had destroyed the stuff. Villagers are even scared to talk to us because the Taliban kills the people that talk.
Sorry, your way of doing things is just outright horrible.
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 10:10 Post subject: |
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I don't watch a news channel. I've been deployed 3 times to Afghanistan to different regions, and one time to Iraq. Furthermore, my job has me actually interacting with the local population in tribal regions. I'm not some guy that just stayed inside a US base.
I know *exactly* what i'm talking about. Please, just go take your hate elsewhere.
And no, you never indicated this was about Israel and Palestine. Once you started talking about Vietnam and America it becomes clear that you are talking about the war in Afghanistan.
You proberly didn't know that though.
PS - I found a forum for you to hang out at. They hate Jews as well.
http://www.vnnforum.com/
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 10:22 Post subject: |
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Shamanoid wrote: | Mchart wrote: | I don't watch a news channel. I've been deployed 3 times to Afghanistan to different regions, and one time to Iraq. Furthermore, my job has me actually interacting with the local population in tribal regions. I'm not some guy that just stayed inside a US base.
I know *exactly* what i'm talking about. Please, just go take your hate elsewhere.
And no, you never indicated this was about Israel and Palestine. Once you started talking about Vietnam and America it becomes clear that you are talking about the war in Afghanistan.
You proberly didn't know that though.
PS - I found a forum for you to hang out at. They hate Jews as well.
http://www.vnnforum.com/ |
Interact with local populationa aye......no wonder you can't read properly any more. My first post was mainly on phalastine asswipe, Afghanistan and Vietnam were jut a mention. |
Yes, Yes..
Interacting with the local population obviously means I can't read anymore.
Astute observation.
Tell me;
What say you on the, now quite obvious, fact that Jews promote feminism to set women against men?
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 10:31 Post subject: |
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ok ill admit i didnt read shamanoids wall of text, but is he saying hes PRO or ANTI muslims? if hes saying theyre not a blight on the world, then yeah hes an idiot... if hes agreeing theyre a plague, then he is correct.
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 10:36 Post subject: |
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chiv wrote: | ok ill admit i didnt read shamanoids wall of text, but is he saying hes PRO or ANTI muslims? if hes saying theyre not a blight on the world, then yeah hes an idiot... if hes agreeing theyre a plague, then he is correct. |
People have the right to beleive whatever they want to beleive in.
When they do the stupid shit that SHAMA-NOIDS says is acceptable (Blow yourself up in the name of God/Jesus/Mexican Jesus) then I would say you are generally a religous retard.
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 10:45 Post subject: |
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i only consider muslims a problem because they are one of the least likely to integrate into societies as they spread out, and to me thats a big problem... its both disrespectful and its also dangerous and creates conflict.
not saying theyre the only ones that behave this way.
dont really have a problem with their religious beliefs as long as it doesnt effect others. they can blow themselves up as much as they want as long as it doesnt damage anyone elses property or kill and hurt others.
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 10:56 Post subject: |
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indeed, im sure theyll love the peace theyll have once theyve wiped out all nonbelievers!!!
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 11:17 Post subject: |
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helvete wrote: | yoru brains are so brainwashed. All muslims are peace loving!  |
You better believe that! Or else!
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Frant
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 12:46 Post subject: |
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chiv wrote: | indeed, im sure theyll love the peace theyll have once theyve wiped out all nonbelievers!!! |
And that's the actual meaning of the mantra: "Islam is the religion of peace". Once the entire world has been converted to Islam there won't be any wars. If you don't want to become a muslim? Then you're an infidel and a problem, raising the need for Jihad to continue towards the goal of global Islam.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 13:34 Post subject: |
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http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell
I agree with the article in op.
Also sham has been perm banned, we allow people to have opinions here, but thats not a right to flame other users.
He apparently didn't bother reading the rules and so he's not wanted here.
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 16:37 Post subject: |
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death to all religions!
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 17:37 Post subject: |
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I thought it was common sense to put the actual url in the main post.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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Frant
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Nov 2010 17:58 Post subject: |
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Ankh wrote: | I thought it was common sense to put the actual url in the main post. |
we had to fight for that little common sense for ages in the world news forum even.
EDIT: @Frant: no worries 
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