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AndreaSpooky




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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 16:35    Post subject:
Ispep wrote:

I know most of you are just trolling, but the key thing to understand when your focusing on imperfections is that you're not playing the game. When you're playing the game, and you're fighting with the steering wheel to keep the car on the track, buying, upgrading and tweaking cars to get faster times (etc).... the focus of your attention is not on the negatives but on the positives. A game as vast and diverse as GT5 is going to have imperfections.


issue here (after only 1 day of play, of course, far from a real review) is that most of those things ("imperfections") are not in forza.
probably most of those imperfections are yelled at after 5 years of waiting, of OVERhyping (halo anyone?) and 80 millions spent on a game, which is still a game after all Smile

to me, if the game has some damage (forza style is perfect) and offer some real challenge with AI will be a good game.
it will be more than just a good game if multiplayer part will worth alone to buy the game. that would make really forget those imperfections.

i will be very happy to spend all the money for a console and a gt game (that would be my 3rd playstation bought for a single game, btw), but atm im still at the "convince me" part.
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 17:02    Post subject:
Forza has it's own imperfections.

It's also not GT5.

When Forza does even half of what GT5 does (1080p, 3D, head tracking, 16 cars on track, no model swapping, real-time deformable damage, dynamic weather (rain in one part of the track, fog in another), day & night cycle, dirt racing, team management mode, etc, etc) then we can talk. But until then you have to accept it's pushing the boundaries of what's possible on the PS3 and with that some cracks may appear.

But as I say, it's easy to focus on the imperfections when all your doing is youtubing. If you'd played the TT demo what would excite you more is actually getting the game in order to drive the cars. Online mode is apparently what PD are most proud of as well, so it should be good.









Youtube video of BMW on Top Gear test track and a user created track;



And some images from GTP showing roll-over and paint scratches;



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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 18:00    Post subject:
Ispep wrote:
Forza has it's own imperfections.

It's also not GT5.

When Forza does even half of what GT5 does (1080p, 3D, head tracking, 16 cars on track, no model swapping, real-time deformable damage, dynamic weather (rain in one part of the track, fog in another), day & night cycle, dirt racing, team management mode, etc, etc) then we can talk. But until then you have to accept it's pushing the boundaries of what's possible on the PS3 and with that some cracks may appear.

But as I say, it's easy to focus on the imperfections when all your doing is youtubing. If you'd played the TT demo what would excite you more is actually getting the game in order to drive the cars. Online mode is apparently what PD are most proud of as well, so it should be good.



some of those stuff are good characteristics, some others are just merchandise choices.

the 1080p choice is imho quite weird, meant to overpass a concurrent xbox internal limit, to make u good looking Cool Face
better a fulltime 60fps on 720p, or a 30-60fps on a 1080p (which is not 1080p, btw) ?
im sure all those jaggy shadowing would be gone ressing down on 720.

3D and tracking, same story as above.
theyre using these tech anyway, good story.
ill never use em nor care anyway, there are more important things to judge.

deformable damage.
from the old videos it looks good only on the premium cars.
atm no one did see them tho. only non-premium deformation are noticed, which make cars look damaged like plastiline damage.
anyway well see.

the remaining one are good to me, and make the game look more a complete driving experience than forza (tons of stuff to do), without any doubt.

whats wrong with the youtubing anyway?
after 4 completed gt games i guess i can judge a bit if this new chapter holds the SAME experience of the past ones or not (not the driving hands-on-wheel part of course), and if the game goes past certain old stupid factors, like the "herd" thing for example.
in few words, if this 5th game has still the very same feeling of a massive car SHOWROOM instead of a real challenging game.

12 years go, a game with lots of official cars with nice handling could easily make me forget of the laughable crashes and AI (with 2 megs of ram and 30mhz it was a hellova game), but right now I somehow could want something proportionally better, and most of all, see those lackings finally gone.

but, again, since a game nowadays cant lack of a real multiplayer part... if the game will have a real good mp all those "jaggies" will all be gone for me.
I dont play PES to challenge the AI, just to make point out an analogy Laughing


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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 18:05    Post subject:
Ispep wrote:


omg look at the shadows Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 18:08    Post subject:
Another (good) video with good driving challenge :



It feels really nice (even just to see), but there are things i cant really swallow.
AI seems to be there just to let u have fun, they dont challenge each others much, there are even passes on the external, not mentioning the final winning after retaking over all the cars in half of a lap.
AI on Easy u might say again.

All the people playing and posting video, they always do play on Easy?

Beside that, I love it.
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 18:14    Post subject:
I cant wait to play this game too Very Happy

Just for the amount of play time that I will be extracting from this game is worth the money imo.

I might even go and buy one of these Very Happy damn expensive but its the best I believe up to now.

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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 18:29    Post subject:
AndreaSpooky wrote:
Another (good) video with good driving challenge :




those shadows are for real Surprised

it's like one big jaggfest, this is just bad Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 18:32    Post subject:
mortibus is the only thing you can do here is telling us how bad you think the game is?
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 18:35    Post subject:
i'm saying what i'm seeing, 2005 shadows are unacceptable for 2010 game, especially game that costed that much, i don't remember them being this bad in prologue ffs
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 18:36    Post subject:
Mortibus wrote:
AndreaSpooky wrote:
Another (good) video with good driving challenge :




those shadows are for real Surprised

it's like one big jaggfest, this is just bad Crying or Very sad



lol...c'mon Morti buddy Wink Honestly, most of the time you wont even notice the shadows cause its a driving game...unless you spend more time taking screenshots of your races or replay then actually driving lol Wink no offense there bro!


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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 18:38    Post subject:
i'm a cockpit playing guy, that would totally distract me from racing
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 18:41    Post subject:
Mortibus wrote:
i'm a cockpit playing guy, that would totally distract me from racing


Yeah In that case I can understand the distractions inside the cockpit...I personnaly drive with the front view with no bumber...just the road in front.


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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 18:49    Post subject:
Matisto23 wrote:
mortibus is the only thing you can do here is telling us how bad you think the game is?


But, but, hes an awesome big bad troll... Sad
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 18:57    Post subject:
Ah but of course, going against the stream of drooling "omfg this is soe beautiful, this is best ever" and you are immediately a troll. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 18:59    Post subject:
With GT there are two options, you either cum in your pants as soon as you see the GT logo or you're a troll.
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 19:02    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Ah but of course, going against the stream of drooling "omfg this is soe beautiful, this is best ever" and you are immediately a troll. Rolling Eyes


Aw its his daddy. Very Happy
Arguing and pointing out flaws is something, posting 20+ posts of the same complain is trolling.
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 19:03    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 19:04    Post subject:
oiii i brought help Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 19:06    Post subject:
garus wrote:
Cars are too pretty, they stand out from the ugly surroundings and shadows.

That's my problem with it, the lack of consistency in quality. Cars look good but then trees are cardboards. You drive an amazingly detailed car one minute, the next some shitty model from PS2 without even a cockpit. These things jump to the eyes more than people think, especially when you play it for more than a few hours.

me7 wrote:
With GT there are two options, you either cum in your pants as soon as you see the GT logo or you're a troll.

Rolling Eyes
Hope this was sarcasm.
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 19:23    Post subject:
im fine with the surroundings being spare, the cars and effects are way more important. Also this game runs at 1080p with a steady 60 fps overall, huge plus.

Wouldnt want to trade those features for 720p 30fps for the sake of pretty 3d model spectators.

Ordered this game and i know ill have a blast playing it just like the previous games Smile
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 19:32    Post subject:
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whats wrong with the youtubing anyway?

Nothing, it's what I'm doing, but as someone who's played the time-trial academy demo I feel I have a greater appreciation for what's under the hood, behind the graphics. You don't have that, so when you're focusing on the jaggy shadows, or even the crashes and the AI you're missing the point in my opinion. Just taking a solitary car onto the nurburgring is going to make this all worthwhile. The rest is just the icing on the cake.

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All the people playing and posting video, they always do play on Easy?

A lot of people just got the game and are still on the early levels - so it's possible - but the point is you can't just take one or two youtube videos that show bad driving and then tar the game without delving into it properly. Personally I will wait until I get the game so I can put the AI through its paces on a consistent and more considered basis before drawing conclusions. I'm not expecting miracles, but I do expect it to be both challenging and fairly dynamic based on each driver having attributes.

Mortibus wrote:
i'm saying what i'm seeing, 2005 shadows are unacceptable for 2010 game, especially game that costed that much, i don't remember them being this bad in prologue ffs



Click the image. Try and ignore the car, focus on the shadows, particularly within the cockpit. What do you see?

The problem with a lot of these youtube videos is that they simply aren't very good captures of how the game will look on your big screen. That video you're referring to and making a point of mentioning for example is not in high definition - it's heavily compressed - and the resulting image emphasises imperfections more than it would in reality. You should know this if you've ever played prologue/TTa.















This game is going to be amazing, no doubt.

Warts an all. No game is perfect, it's the overall package which will leave the lasting impression on those who play it. Not jaggy shadows on youtube Laughing


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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 19:37    Post subject:
Paintface wrote:
im fine with the surroundings being spare, the cars and effects are way more important. Also this game runs at 1080p with a steady 60 fps overall, huge plus.

Wouldnt want to trade those features for 720p 30fps for the sake of pretty 3d model spectators.

Ordered this game and i know ill have a blast playing it just like the previous games Smile


It does not run at 1080p, the resolution is higher than 720p (I think it's 1280x1080) but still far from 1080p.

The discussion isn't really about the graphics but rather about the gameplay/content. Polyphony has modeled only 200 cars for this game, the other 800 cars they're proud about are recycled from GT4.
The AI looks like in GT4, which is still the same as it was in GT1. They just drive along the ideal line without competing against each other. Some think that this will change throughout the game but I don't think Polyphony made the AI boring deliberately.

I still don't see what they spend their budget on and what all this fuzz is all about, the game has hardly changed since GT4 apart from prettier graphics.
Why is it OK to make fun of Call of Duty because they milk their fans with full price add-ons but GT fans crucify you when you say that "GT Prologue is just a demo"?
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 19:41    Post subject:
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It does not run at 1080p, the resolution is higher than 720p (I think it's 1280x1080) but still far from 1080p.

It runs at 1080p in menu screens. It runs at 1080p during gameplay. In gameplay horizontal is upscaled from 1280, but it's still a performance cost and looks better than 720p on a 1080p set.

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I still don't see what they spend their budget on and what all this fuzz is all about, the game has hardly changed since GT4 apart from prettier graphics.

That's because you're ignoring all of its features in favour of doing your usual trolling.


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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 19:56    Post subject:
Ispep wrote:
your usual trolling.

Here we go, "trolling" again. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 20:07    Post subject:
Ispep wrote:
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It does not run at 1080p, the resolution is higher than 720p (I think it's 1280x1080) but still far from 1080p.

It runs at 1080p in menu screens. It runs at 1080p during gameplay. In gameplay horizontal is upscaled from 1280, but it's still a performance cost and looks better than 720p on a 1080p set.


Wait, what? It runs at 1080p with 1080p being 1280x1080? Does this mean that now, that Polyphony has failed to deliver their promise of 1080p the term 1080p is redefined from 1920x1080 to 1280x1080 to make Polyphony's claim valid?

Dude, you are treating this brand like a religion.
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 20:10    Post subject:
Ispep wrote:
Just taking a solitary car onto the nurburgring is going to make this all worthwhile. The rest is just the icing on the cake.

The problem with a lot of these youtube videos is that they simply aren't very good captures of how the game will look on your big screen. That video you're referring to and making a point of mentioning for example is not in high definition - it's heavily compressed - and the resulting image emphasises imperfections more than it would in reality. You should know this if you've ever played prologue/TTa.


So all the video posted (even the Le Sartre i posted above) which shows jaggies are due the h264 shitty compression, which relies on 720p in certain areas and 2p in some others (namely, the shadows casting on the dash).
And so is the sight of people playing and commenting in various forums all around the net all seeing jaggies in shadows: "highly compressed".

Isnt it maybe that due the level of detail the games choose wheter to define better or worse certain stuff like shadows: high defined in solo mode and low defined when in presence of AI and high detailed circuit ?
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 20:28    Post subject:
Look at the pictures I posted, the videos I posted, compare them to the ones you're talking about. Or just trust me, because I know better.

(just to be clear I'm not saying there aren't jaggy shadows. My post above says as much by showing you them. The quality of the videos you're picking apart are not good enough to judge and make the imperfections far more obvious. If it's anything like prologue it will depend on the car, the track, the conditions, but it will also be tolerable. It isn't in that video you linked to, but that's because it's such bad quality compare to how it really looks)




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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 20:30    Post subject:
This
http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2010/11/19/gran-turismo-5-all-we-know-so-far/

Is supposed to be fairly reliable source of info.

No hood view ?
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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 20:31    Post subject:
Ispep wrote:
imo your all are wrong bs


see this again in 720p [fuck the low bitres] and JUST FUCKING LOOK ON THE INTERNAL SHADOWS OF THE COCKPIT , IT'S SO FUCKING JAGGED DAMN OMFG , 1 car shadow perfect round , 2 cars shadows are jagged , 6 cars aaghghghg 128x128 shadows kick in , 8 cars in front of you OMFG your steering wheel shadow is now a SQUARE

and now go see other shadows.... even FORZA didn't had so shitty LOD as this... and all this to make this run in 1080p pathetic i would be happy for 720p with all details ALL THE TIME not some shitty LOD as i see it now


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PostPosted: Sun, 21st Nov 2010 20:41    Post subject:
Hfric wrote:

see this again


These shadows DO look pretty distracting.
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