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 Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 16:46 Post subject: TV 100hz or 200hz |
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I've been looking for a tv for some time now that i will use mainly for my ps3 and sometimes for my pc, so im wondering whats the difference between 200 and 100hz tv's and is it worth getting one with 200hz.
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 17:51 Post subject: |
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you must go and see the difference in real life at the store
for me its just marketing bullshit
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 18:07 Post subject: |
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i watch movies in 24hz mode, i cant stand the fake 100/120hz "smoothness"
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 18:16 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | i watch movies in 24hz mode, i cant stand the fake 100/120hz "smoothness" |
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 19:01 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | i watch movies in 24hz mode, i cant stand the fake 100/120hz "smoothness" |
Aye, that's how they were meant to be watched, not interpolated by some stupid TVs. Want the smooth effect of cheap cameras? Watch soap operas.
Any TV that does not allow to switch to 24Hz mode is not worth having. |
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 19:15 Post subject: |
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Cinema is 24 fps although modern cinema projectors light each frame twice to create a smoother picture.
Ideally your TV has a refresh rate that is the same or several (2,3,4) times of that of the fps of your video source.
PAL DVD (dunno about blu-ray) comes with 25 fps, movies will just be sped up to go from 24 -> 25, same with the audio.
If you have good ears and good memory for music you can actually hear the pitch and pace of songs in movies being altered.
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Duplicated frames are nothing bad really.
Blu-ray specs only allow for 24p, 50i and 60i. 25p is not a legal mode for Blu-rays.
These TVs do something else. They take two frames and interpolate into higher fps count. That is create intermediate steps between frames to smooth transition. Worst TVs don't take into consideration scene change, etc, and the result can be really bad. More advanced ones take into consideration scene changes and switch to frame duplication to allow more natural interpolation, but it's still bad. Purist enjoy the frame delay of 24Hz.
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 20:07 Post subject: |
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ok thx for the answers.Another question are LED tvs better than normal LCDs in terms of black levels, contrast and so on
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 20:19 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | Duplicated frames are nothing bad really.
Blu-ray specs only allow for 24p, 50i and 60i. 25p is not a legal mode for Blu-rays.
These TVs do something else. They take two frames and interpolate into higher fps count. That is create intermediate steps between frames to smooth transition. Worst TVs don't take into consideration scene change, etc, and the result can be really bad. More advanced ones take into consideration scene changes and switch to frame duplication to allow more natural interpolation, but it's still bad. Purist enjoy the frame delay of 24Hz. |
That is pretty silly, won't it make more sense then to buy a monitor that supports all kinds of frame rates and a standalone HDTV tuner?
| nightfox wrote: | | ok thx for the answers.Another question are LED tvs better than normal LCDs in terms of black levels, contrast and so on |
The main advantage of LED TV is lower energy consumption.
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| iconized wrote: | | That is pretty silly, won't it make more sense then to buy a monitor that supports all kinds of frame rates and a standalone HDTV tuner? |
Well, apparently some people like the "smooth" feeling they get.  Probably moms that sit all day and watch soap operas and are used to the cheap, blurry DV look (shot at 60i). |
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 20:40 Post subject: |
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if ya want to do 3d at some point get the 200hz if not 100hz
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 20:46 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | iconized wrote: | | That is pretty silly, won't it make more sense then to buy a monitor that supports all kinds of frame rates and a standalone HDTV tuner? |
Well, apparently some people like the "smooth" feeling they get. Probably moms that sit all day and watch soap operas and are used to the cheap, blurry DV look (shot at 60i). |
yeah some of us prefer a smooth ride 
| pwerelds wrote: | LED TV's do indeed tend to have better contrast and black levels than traditional LCD TV's, yes.
Like Mortibus says, once you see the difference between a LED LCD (regardless of whether it's edge-lit or fully lit) and the "old" CCFL-backlit LCD's, you'll never want the latter again 
@ Mortibus: LED TV's are still LCD TV's, and not every LED TV does more than 60 Hz  |
oh my jebus what happend, for once u agree with me
well i know the difference between edge and full led, and 50 hz led doesn't look much better than lcd, tv i was watching was 42" samsung 100 hz, it blew me away literaly, i was awatching avi rip of astroboy and while there were some pixelation in the background, hence 700mb rip it looked awesome, my gf actually asked me if it was full hd
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 20:58 Post subject: |
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Could be also that console  want to smooth their puny machines' pathetic 20fps shame with artificial 120 "OMG my console does 120 fps its amazing!!one"
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 21:21 Post subject: |
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Televisions are so 90s... when you do have a PC why would you need a TV? 
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| ixigia wrote: | | Televisions are so 90s...why not plug it directly to your brain with MuzaKX |
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Aug 2010 23:46 Post subject: |
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Isn't it interesting that a high quality CRT still hasn't been surpassed by "high tech LED/LCD" monitors except where sizes above 34" is concerned?
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Plasmas? Not any plasma I've seen.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Aug 2010 00:02 Post subject: |
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I did say "could".
If you think CRTs make a good picture, then you should like Plasma to a certain extend. Only their black level still isn't deep enough.
Have you seen a plasma at someones house with natural settings? Most Plasma have useless filters so they fade out in shops.
You could look out for certain Elite Kuros from Pioneer. Those have the greatest native contrast built to this day. They also come with almost perfect colors and gamma. Measured, so not just my oppinion
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Anyone knows what's with Sony's XEL-2? Should've been release last year, no? 
(for those who don't know about it, it's supposed to be a TV with 0.3 mm depth (not 3 mm!) and 27" screen, Full HD, contrast 1:1.000.000)
The current XEL-1 has 11", quarter Full HD and is 3 mm [b[fat[/b]
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I'd be happy with a 24" full-hd oled @ 300 euro. But seems as if this'll take 4-5 years :/
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