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 Posted: Thu, 26th Aug 2010 15:19 Post subject: Ciscos certifications |
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Been thinking of studying for the cisco ccna cert. I already passed icnd1 so icnd2 is left. right now I'm not sure what I wanna do with my life. If I should stick to cisco or study at the university.
I enjoy network and routing, I have a nack for troubleshooting and I do this at work even though its on a pretty basic level.
So is it worth getting ccna and then move on to ccnp and beyond? I've been interested in applying for work in the US, England, middle east etc would having cisco certifications make me more attractive in these markets?
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Aug 2010 15:34 Post subject: |
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Study at university. With a computer science degree you can go anywhere in the IT field, even back to network routing. But with your cisco certificates you will have no choice later on. Also a university degree gives more money etc, but is also harder to reach.
I study for a computer science BS here in germany, and lots of friends still work in network it departments to support themselves.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Aug 2010 15:57 Post subject: |
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dont bother with university, keep doing what your doing...
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Aug 2010 16:01 Post subject: |
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I'd say take a look at uni. It opens way more doors and when you're done you still can go after the cicso cert, no?
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Aug 2010 16:07 Post subject: |
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yeah, get yourself in debt for a piece of paper that doesn't prove anything.
if you can go to university and get a degree in golf green-keeping, do you really think that piece of paper proves anything?
being good at what you do and having confidence in what you do opens way more doors than university...
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Aug 2010 16:09 Post subject: |
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| KaiKo wrote: | | dont bother with university, keep doing what your doing... |
Thats the problem, I'm tired of what Im doing and I want to take the next step. I got a job so the best thing would be to continue working and doing cisco certifications and then apply for a new and better job when I've passed enough certs.
| Reklis wrote: | | I'd say take a look at uni. It opens way more doors and when you're done you still can go after the cicso cert, no? |
Yeah I could do that of course, and also the other way take the ccna cert and as many as I can and then apply for university next year.
But its a big step to leave work and start school, maybe I'm just freaking beasue its such a big leap or maybe I'm thinking why start over when I have a job and can study for cisco on my own.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Aug 2010 16:10 Post subject: |
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| KaiKo wrote: | yeah, get yourself in debt for a piece of paper that doesn't prove anything.
if you can go to university and get a degree in golf green-keeping, do you really think that piece of paper proves anything?
being good at what you do and having confidence in what you do opens way more doors than university... |
The problem is if you need a piece of paper to even be able to get to the door.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Aug 2010 16:12 Post subject: |
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if you are confident then you can get passed that. ive gotten 2 graduate positions in the past and left school at 17.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Aug 2010 16:28 Post subject: |
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I guess you are a self made man Kaiko, not everyone possesses the ability to do so.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Aug 2010 16:33 Post subject: |
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Also studying isnt just about getting a job and making money. Its the satisfaction of going through a though period on your life. To know that you belong to a certain group of people with higher knowledge.
my second problem is my grades which are ok but they limit my options somewhat. And if Im gonna study a university course I want it to be something useful. otherwise I have a job and like i said can study cisco.
in sweden, the emphasis doesent lie solely on having a phat degree. Work experience weighs heavily when a company is looking to hire someone. i've been working with it support, 2nd line helpdesk and networking for almost 5 years and Im still 28.
So my question is also abit more of studying to grow as a person, to find one self in the struggles of univeristy studies.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Aug 2010 16:34 Post subject: |
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a negative attitude doesn't instill confidence.
university is an excuse for young people to carry on being young.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Aug 2010 18:05 Post subject: |
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University courses should form youngsters scientifically even if the majority of graduates will get a job later on that has little to do with science.
To form your mind scientifically is hard to do by yourself.
But if you have certain talents in for example music, you don't really need college to develop that.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Aug 2010 19:46 Post subject: |
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Going to college won't fix not having work experiance.
While many IT jobs are looking for someone with a BS degree - They would typically rather hire someone with 4-5 years of work experiance.
Why?
Because the real world is a lot different then school. Just because you bought yourself a 4 year degree doesn't mean you are a hard working, and reliable worker.
So yes, i'd say work experiance, and certs are much more important in the IT world. Along with a security clearance if you can get one. I see so many entitled people these days in college, or fresh out of college with the expectation that college = high paying job. It just doesn't work that way. Work experiance and connections will always trump a degree.
College will not magically make you into something that you aren't. Please don't be confused into beleiving this. If you aren't a hard worker, and you can't deal with getting down to the grindstone - Just because you went to a university for 4 years won't change that. Everyone needs to start somewhere.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Aug 2010 20:01 Post subject: |
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Gotta tell you guys , over here without a university degree you're dead in water if you don't know someone to fix you up with a good jobs , but even with the degree , jobs are foremost occupied by incompentent relatives , friends and those who paid money for the job .
Sucks ass , since even if you aren't really good at what you do , you should know how to have some responsability not say "i don't know" when a solution is dependent on your position
it all depends on sheer willpower
if you REALLY want it , then you'll do it and it won't be a fucking chore
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Aug 2010 21:40 Post subject: |
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Acer has obviously worked already for several years, thus he does have work experience. Also, a side job while studying shows any future employer that he is not one of the lazy guys that get their way payed through college by his parents.
I'd really recommend going to college or university, or at least try it for half a year. If you notice it's not for you, just drop out again, what have you lost? Nothing. But you will not be wondering in 30 years what it would have been like and if you could have done better. The time window to still get a university degree is closing fast at your age of 28, if you continue in the business world you will probably start a family soon, and then you will definately not be able to study. Sure, some people pull it off at 40-something, but you will still miss out on the college life, because you will be too old to actually "belong" to the crowd.
Also really anyone in this thread recommending one side over the other should maybe post what he personally did, go to university or go straight for work. Because usually everyone just tells him what everybody chose in his life. As posted earlier I study computer science, and this is why I naturally recommend going to university.
And not everyone can be a self taught genius like KaiKo, so his recommendation is quite moot for 99% of the population. Me personally, I need the structure a university provides to learn things.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Aug 2010 22:37 Post subject: |
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| Hierofan wrote: | Gotta tell you guys , over here without a university degree you're dead in water if you don't know someone to fix you up with a good jobs , but even with the degree , jobs are foremost occupied by incompentent relatives , friends and those who paid money for the job .
Sucks ass , since even if you aren't really good at what you do , you should know how to have some responsability not say "i don't know" when a solution is dependent on your position |
Same here. 
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Aug 2010 06:49 Post subject: |
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| Xenthalon wrote: | Acer has obviously worked already for several years, thus he does have work experience. Also, a side job while studying shows any future employer that he is not one of the lazy guys that get their way payed through college by his parents.
I'd really recommend going to college or university, or at least try it for half a year. If you notice it's not for you, just drop out again, what have you lost? Nothing. But you will not be wondering in 30 years what it would have been like and if you could have done better. The time window to still get a university degree is closing fast at your age of 28, if you continue in the business world you will probably start a family soon, and then you will definately not be able to study. Sure, some people pull it off at 40-something, but you will still miss out on the college life, because you will be too old to actually "belong" to the crowd.
Also really anyone in this thread recommending one side over the other should maybe post what he personally did, go to university or go straight for work. Because usually everyone just tells him what everybody chose in his life. As posted earlier I study computer science, and this is why I naturally recommend going to university.
And not everyone can be a self taught genius like KaiKo, so his recommendation is quite moot for 99% of the population. Me personally, I need the structure a university provides to learn things. |
I started out in the military as IT. Then retrained to more exciting things. Military is a great route for IT as it gets you a security clearance, free money and training for all the certs, and great job experiance along with the connections. While a degree is definatly reccomended for the bigger money - If you don't have the job experiance, security clearance, or certs - I'd say it's more important having those things in the IT world. The security clearance alone is worth an extra 15-20 grand a year. CCNA, CISSP, and 8570 (For GOV jobs) are pretty much a requirement these days for most higher paying IT jobs as well. College ain't.
I could have left the military and made 90 grand a year with only 4 years of job experiance, and the aforementioned certs, along with the security clearance.
Wasn't for me though, and while i'm making way less then that, i'm doing something that is a lot more fun and allows me to be outdoors.
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Aug 2010 11:34 Post subject: |
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i get the feeling that a degree weighs different in different countries. Like I said, over here in sweden an employer looks at alot more than just a fancy degree when it comes to certain IT jobs. Of course for a programming position or a position in engineering you need to have a proper degree but for networking alot of weight is put into experience.
But my main reason for studying at university isnt to get a nice job and a fat paycheck. Its important but I dont want to wake up in 20 years and regret never having done this. At the same time I like what Im doing right now, I feel that its the right step for me and so being interested in what you do makes you want to learn more about the field, take more certifications and progress that way.
So Im torn between emotions and reason. My emotions tells me to try university, my reason and logic tells me that Im on the right path now and that I should continue down this road. Take a few certs each year and hopefully in a few years I'll be able to take on CCIE which is like a PHD for network pros.
I think this is the right path for me, Im gonna atleast go for ccna this year, and maybe start ccnp next year.
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