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Frant
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 Posted: Wed, 21st Jul 2010 05:17 Post subject: OS developer's take on Ubuntu |
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A guy named Robert Szeleney decided to give Ubuntu 7.10 a run as it had been touted as the windows killer, windows replacement etc... Now, this guy knows a computer on a very low level, he coded a complete desktop OS from scratch, and this is his tale:
| Quote: | Yesterday I decided to give Linux (Ubuntu) a try. The last Linux distribution I used was SUSE 6.0, from 1999 I guess, and it was a disaster.
Anyway, so yesterday I downloaded Ubuntu 7.10, burned it to a CD and booted it with following configuration:
Intel Penitum 4 2.4GHZ
Intel 865 chipset
onboard intel 865 graphics
2 GB of RAM
From what I read (I read various Ubuntu reviews and articles like 'Ubuntu, the Windows replacement' etc..., it should work painless, be a wonderful Windows XP/Vista replacement and should just work out of the box.
Ok, so back to the installation.
I inserted the CD and booted the PC. A nice splash screen appears telling me that Ubuntu is booting. A few minutes later, blank screen, monitor powers off. Nice! The very first linux I tried years ago, somewhere around 1996, SUSE from 1999 and now Ubuntu from 2007, all fail to just boot!! You can't even install this damn thing out of the box and a 'standard' PC configuration.
Anyway, after enabling the VGA safe mode in the bootloader Ubuntu finally started (with a screen shifted to the left by about 200 pixels). A few more minutes fiddling around with the partitioner (if you choose manual partitioning you still have to specify mountpoints! (how annoying is this?)), the installation finally started. (I expected to be able to build the partition table manually and Ubuntu just asks me where I do want to install it too, instead of having to specify a mountpoint) (read comments for further explanation)
Did it work? NO!
The installation hangs at 82% with a message like 'Scanning the mirror'.
After making sure that I indeed didn't put my bathroom mirror into my scanner I suspected the local network (especially the proxy) to cause this problem. Well, actually its a Ubuntu problem, because this damn installation doesn't even time out or abort. 45mins later I just disabled the networking which let Ubuntu continue the installation with an error message.
Anyway, one hour later Ubuntu was installed. As it was late already I decided to continue playing around with it the next day and sending the PC into suspend mode using the Ubuntu power off button and clicking on suspend.
Now guess what? Yep, next morning Ubuntu was of course unable to resume from the suspend mode.
Now tell me, this should be a Window replacement?
- You can't even start the LiveCD without getting black screen
- You can't install Ubuntu without knowing how the disable a network device (and that you have to, at all)
- You can't suspend and resume
I don't know what else doesn't work, or how good Ubuntu (or any other distribution) may be. All I know is that I wont touch a Linux distribution for the next few years again.
(Its a pity to encounter the same Linux problems again I had decades ago, and at the same time read multiple reports on the web trying to tell us what a good alternative Linux is today).
Fact is, Ubuntu (Linux) completely fails to install (on this system). And people are really suggesting non-technical people, yes even their grandparents, to use Linux?
A few other things:
- Why is there a Bluetooth Analyzer program (as very first application in the menu) even if I don't have bluetooth hardware at all?
- PalmOS Devices? Well, I have a iPhone next to my PC, but what should I do with a PalmOS device?
- etc..
Give me a break!
Ubuntu (Linux) may be a nice system for technic freaks, if you actually want to have to configure your system and like little challenges, but a replacement for a normal user (who wants that his computer just works, without ifs and buts) it definitely isn't. |
http://skyos.org/?q=node/637
Pity he dropped SkyOS after getting his kid. :/
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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Saner
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Jul 2010 09:00 Post subject: |
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How old is this ?
7.10 is old, anyways, from my experience with ubuntu its fine, if you want something different.
| ragnarus wrote: |
I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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Nalo
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Jul 2010 14:04 Post subject: |
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| Nalo wrote: | Plus you dont have to be a technic freak to use Ubuntu. Its easy-peasy  |
Until you have to install the VMWare tools. Then you have to recompile the kernel.  
But yeah, this is a 2008 article about a 2007 build of Ubuntu. Things are much better now.  |
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Jul 2010 15:39 Post subject: |
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Though I still can't (without much hassle) install Ubuntu on my laptop (though I would like to).
For some reason it just won't work properly with my display.
When I hook up an external monitor it works :/
Really sucks.
But apart from that it's pretty easy to use (if all you do is just use the OS and don't want to fiddle around with shit)
| sabin1981 wrote: | Now you're just arguing semantics. Getting fucked in the ass with a broom stale is an "improvement" over getting stabbed in the eye with a fork  |
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Jul 2010 17:41 Post subject: |
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yeah Ubuntu still has some bugs on some hardware it just does not work.. I installed it (Kubuntu I prefer KDE) and it worked but a few days later it suddenly didn't anymore.. reinstalled and it worked again.. and a couple of days later same shit happend.. then I installed on a different harddisk and now it continues to work.
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Saner
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Jul 2010 17:55 Post subject: |
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I haven't used Ubuntu for a while (I use Debian) but I really had no issues with it when I used it on both of my laptops.
I wouldnt have said they were top spec either, just a crappy HP and a even crappier Dell :Y
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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bxrdj
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Jul 2010 18:30 Post subject: |
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what a whiner this guys is - I cant believe he is soooo "low level" if he cannot even install ubuntu properly hhahaha what a loser
fuck ...
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Frant
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Jul 2010 21:05 Post subject: I have left. |
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Frant
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Jul 2010 21:17 Post subject: |
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| Shoshomiga wrote: | | This guy is an idiot and how old is this anyway, the current ubuntu version is 10.04 |
This is how dumb he is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyOS
| Quote: | SkyOS user space lies on top of a custom, modularized, preemptive-multitasking kernel with support for common features like process and thread isolation, memory management/paging, kernel debugging, low-level locking primitives, and real-time PIC/APIC timers. It is a monolithic kernel, with drivers that are dynamically loaded into kernel space via an extension API.
There are some notable features that distinguish the SkyOS kernel from others. These include:
* Kernel-mode VESA support, allowing for graphical display immediately upon power-up
* Architecture abstraction layer, allowing SkyOS to be easily ported to other architectures
* Advanced CPU support, including Multi-Core/SMP/HyperThreading and all the major x86 extensions
* Full DMA, ATAPI, and ATA/SATA support (with SATA drivers for several major chipsets)
* Support for popular buses (including USB)
Contrary to a popular misconception, the kernel is not derived from Linux or any of the various BSDs. It was written entirely by Szeleney over the course of several years, and uses no outside code. |
The guy wrote a highly advanced OS (example is the kernel) by himself. Call him an idiot when you've written your own OS.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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Saner
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Jul 2010 21:22 Post subject: |
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Never used it, never gonna use it, so I dont know, but the lastest blog entry.
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We now have a base system with following features:
- Linux 2.6.27.4 kernel with an init ramdisk using usplash to display and animate the boot progress.
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http://www.skyos.org/?q=node/650
That says to me that at some point he changed to using the linux kernel , whether it was from day one, who knows, but the latest build before he quit did.
But I wouldnt call anyone who can do what he has done an idiot (and I didnt)
But for me Ubuntu when I have looked at it has always worked on various systems out of the box, but I do remember issues with X when I first used linux (around the same time he did, although I had Red Hat 5)
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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fisk
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Jul 2010 23:58 Post subject: |
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Linux (Ubuntu) is still quite a ways from being user-friendly. Mac OSX is probably a better thing to try out from that perspective.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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Frant
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Jul 2010 00:43 Post subject: |
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| Saner wrote: | Never used it, never gonna use it, so I dont know, but the lastest blog entry.
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We now have a base system with following features:
- Linux 2.6.27.4 kernel with an init ramdisk using usplash to display and animate the boot progress.
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http://www.skyos.org/?q=node/650
That says to me that at some point he changed to using the linux kernel , whether it was from day one, who knows, but the latest build before he quit did.
But I wouldnt call anyone who can do what he has done an idiot (and I didnt)
But for me Ubuntu when I have looked at it has always worked on various systems out of the box, but I do remember issues with X when I first used linux (around the same time he did, although I had Red Hat 5) |
No, there's no Linux in kernel of the last build. After a year of silence (he had a kid and dropped programming in his spare time) he wrote some blog posts about trying to solve the ever-annoying problem of not having drivers by incorporating Linux or NetBSD kernel into SkyOS, but it hasn't happened so far. There are also discussions to release the source code, but as far as I'm concerned SkyOS died prematurely. In the end there just wasn't any commercial or widespread grassroot support for SkyOS and he hit a dead end. I tried some of the builds and it was very impressive. Reminded me of a mix between Windows and BeOS with some advanced ideas of it's own.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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