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 Posted: Sat, 29th May 2010 05:41 Post subject: Artistic Talent |
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I asked a friend about this several months ago, so I would like to ask you all. Please limit the useless posts as I would "like" to get a useful consensus...
Artistic Talent, I can draw...ok.. I can put an object in front of me that I can look at the curves and shapes of it and copy it fairly well, but free drawing an object from my imagination, aka being "creative" I just wind up with lines that are swiggly since I don't know where i want to go..and no real shape to the object i'm creating.
Is this Artistic Talent something that can be taught, or is just something you have, and will never be able achieve near the level of a natural artist? 14 day poll.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th May 2010 10:36 Post subject: |
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Imagine whatever you want. Don't imagine something for the sake of drawing, just think about stories or cool stuff you like, then try to fit as much of that idea into an image as you can. Drawing is a tool, a medium you record in, not a source of inspiration.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th May 2010 11:33 Post subject: |
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I agree Bus, but when I imagine something..and i want to put it on paper..i can draw out the concepts i want..like another for instance..i want this character to have something on its head..I can then draw the head and the object out of it no problem..then there's the body..as I try to draw it I realize I have no fundamental education on how to do it. I go to draw the body and can draw a great exterior "shell", the curves and whatnot..but unless I want to draw a glorified shell of a human..can the rest be taught by education, or is this just something that is intuitive, they say a certain part of the brain helps, when you see someones arm, you see the muscle shapes, the parts that make it a whole; instead of seeing the whole, and trying to dissect it into parts.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th May 2010 11:58 Post subject: |
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While creativity cannot be taught, we are all (in different degrees) creative by nature. The only thing is how many people appreciate/understand what we create. By thinking in terms of only Talented/Not-Talented, you are putting yourself in a box. Ever seen a child that couldn't draw? The problem could be that your (over)thinking is inhibiting yourself out of the game.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th May 2010 12:46 Post subject: |
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Talent is learnable, yes. Back in 2003 I couldn't even write my own language properly but now after growing up and reading books myself, I've written my own book (quiiittteee shitty and still W.I.P) and now I'm onto the second one. Too bad I'm very very bad with drawing, I wish I could draw pictures like the pictures in the Braid game. I also know how to direct a movie, my personal goal in life was not dying before directing my own movie. Too bad there will be noone funding my projects because they are stop motion animations. And noone cares about them here.
So what do you draw, can we see a sample?
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| Posted: Sat, 29th May 2010 13:30 Post subject: |
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My computer recently got das herpes so i don't have much to show except a few 3d renders of the same sword I made one night while drunk... it's not much and doesn't relate to creativity much, but as you asked:
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Not rendered, just maya / zbrush screensshots.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sat, 29th May 2010 13:30 Post subject: |
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I was quite creative and skillful at drawning until the age of 17-18, when I decided to throw myself away into the engineeristic career 
As for the artistic talent, well, obiouvsly is learnable but you'll need a natural lean in order to reach the excellence.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th May 2010 13:42 Post subject: |
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@Spazmotic, they're quite good actually mate. First one has alien finger like sides which made me like the dagger. Second one has (looks like) nice leather design.
@Ixigia, how much girl:boy ratio does you university have? 10Kg girl/100 boys? : )
This is why humanity is not advancing so fast technology-wise. All the beautiful girls study international relations, sociology, performing acts etc and only the girls with moustaches choose engineering as carreer ergo all the men think about sex and they can't focus on projects.
In boefore someone posts two beautiful IT women fixing servers pic.
(Just joking of course)
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sat, 29th May 2010 13:57 Post subject: |
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@Lord_IpwnU
Hahah thank you for the good laugh mate 
You'll be highly surprised to know that the g:b ratio here is almost balanced (I'd say 60 percent males and 40 females), unfortunately I don't have any pic of our beautiful (...) women absorbed in repairing servers simply because..
.. they're all mac users
In fact, I'm attending the Engineering of Management, which is the only genre of engineering that manages to attract some girl 
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| Posted: Sat, 29th May 2010 14:17 Post subject: |
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@Ixigia, I'm glad your university has at least rational ratio of girls:boys. In here they even mock engineers with fake news like: "All the men are eradicated but one engineer, only women and he remain, yet after 10 years of eradication he is still being refused by women" (saw this on http://www.zaytung.com/ a the onion copy in Turkish, perhaps PumpAction will be interested in)
That picture was posted in UV some time ago. There were two naked blondes repairing servers.
@Iconized: Doesn't it take skill to create something, even if you are not talented? Talent's definition may be natural ability by default in dictionary but I didn't mean it that way. What I meant was, 'you don't have to be talented to create something good. You can always practice and make something good (which means talent, or the thing that makes you able to create something good can be gathered or achieved after birth)'
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| Posted: Sat, 29th May 2010 17:38 Post subject: |
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| Lord_IpwnU wrote: | | @Spazmotic, they're quite good actually mate. First one has alien finger like sides which made me like the dagger. Second one has (looks like) nice leather design. |
Its the same blade lol... |
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| Posted: Mon, 31st May 2010 10:55 Post subject: |
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| moosenoodles wrote: | | Lord_IpwnU wrote: | | @Spazmotic, they're quite good actually mate. First one has alien finger like sides which made me like the dagger. Second one has (looks like) nice leather design. |
Its the same blade lol... |
And that depends on your perception ; )
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| Posted: Mon, 31st May 2010 15:51 Post subject: |
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I'm sort of biased on this topic.
I'm going to use musical talent to make an example. These are facts.
Myself,
- Mother played music for me when she was still pregnant with me.
- Father was a musician and we had all sorts of instruments around the house my entire life.
- Have been playing music about 18 years.
- I love music, playing it, and everything about it.
On the other hand, I have a friend who I have been teaching to play guitar for about 6 years. Were currently in a band together and he is very solid guitar/bass player.
So, I believe that I have developed a musical talent because of these moments in my life. Have these opportunities not present themselves to me, I would probably give two shits about playing an instrument.
I have a close friend however, who is an amazing artist. He can draw some awesome shit. I will never be able to achieve what he has, I have tried to learn but cannot. So in that regard I am unable to develop an artistic talent.
Determination is really what I think it comes down to.
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| inz wrote: | | Frant wrote: |
ps. ALL people have SOME talent |
Kinda inclined to disagree, talent by its very definition means a rare, extraordinary innate level of skill in a particular field. People are different, and some indeed better than others. Saying otherwise is just politically correct feel-good nonsense.
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Guess you didn't notice the word 'SOME'. And yes, I do believe that all people have SOME sort of talent whether it's graphical, musically, cooking, mechanics, technology, sports, motorsports etc. etc. etc. etc...
Talents aren't just about artistic talent, it basically applies to anything someone is naturally adept at compared to other people.
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| Posted: Mon, 31st May 2010 16:03 Post subject: |
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Yeah and I said I kind of disagree - if some guy has worked for 30 years as a mechanic, someone might say that "oh yeah, he's a real talented mechanic" whereas in reality it could be all thanks due to skills he's been learning thanks to his experience.
What I mean is that natural aptitude, or talent, for something is much rarer than learned skill - talent alone of course doesn't get you very far, you still need to practice, but talent + skill can get you much farther than skill alone. Not everyone has a knack like that, for anything. They might be really good at something through learning, but that's not talent, that's skill.
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| Posted: Mon, 31st May 2010 22:18 Post subject: |
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Yeah you can learn it, not "talent" per se, but you can learn to be a good artist. No physical reason why not to. Some people just seem to "start off" better at art than others, without ever learning it, but you can easily catch up to them by learning, as their "innate knowledge" isn't really that extensive.
I used to draw like shit, but read a few tutorials in like 2 hours, and I got much better. It was still pretty bad, but if I can come from not knowing how to draw anything than a stick figure to knowing how to draw a human face(not a pretty one  ) in 2 hours, imagine what you could learn with constant training.
And not to mention we have an multimedia oriented college nearby, and I know people who start off that have never did anything artistic, and come out as pretty damn good movie/music, 3d animation, model, etc. makers.
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| Posted: Mon, 31st May 2010 22:24 Post subject: |
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In was a OK artist as a kid. I look back at some of the stuff I did now and I think it was pretty great. In my family art was never really appreciated. I did pencil dawings. Mostly of animals and nature stuff. It kinda triggered my dad into violence. He was more of a math person and thought I was wasting my time. So I stopped.
I am still creative tho. I have great problem solving skills. 3 weeks ago I helped my dad install an alternator on his boat. IMO he did it half ass backwards. Plus it wasn't the right part he needed anyway. It was old, not the right voltage for what he wanted to charge anyway, would of never worked. Anyway, after all the work we did he had to replace it with the correct one. Didn't argue it. I was just there to help. But I know I am actually pretty smart and creative.
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| BearishSun wrote: | Yeah you can learn it, not "talent" per se, but you can learn to be a good artist. No physical reason why not to. Some people just seem to "start off" better at art than others, without ever learning it, but you can easily catch up to them by learning, as their "innate knowledge" isn't really that extensive.
I used to draw like shit, but read a few tutorials in like 2 hours, and I got much better. It was still pretty bad, but if I can come from not knowing how to draw anything than a stick figure to knowing how to draw a human face(not a pretty one ) in 2 hours, imagine what you could learn with constant training.
And not to mention we have an multimedia oriented college nearby, and I know people who start off that have never did anything artistic, and come out as pretty damn good movie/music, 3d animation, model, etc. makers. |
However, skill by itself can only take you so far. Artistic talent (the kind you're either born with or you aren't) is the difference between a good artist and a great artist, and the potential to become a really great artist in your field. Also, without true talent you're more likely to quit doing what you're doing. Talent is usually a driving force as well. You have this inner drive, this urge to create/use your talent.
Talent isn't a 0 or 1 thing either, you have a certain amount of talent, and it may vary with age.
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| Posted: Mon, 31st May 2010 23:25 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: |
However, skill by itself can only take you so far. Artistic talent (the kind you're either born with or you aren't) is the difference between a good artist and a great artist, and the potential to become a really great artist in your field. Also, without true talent you're more likely to quit doing what you're doing. Talent is usually a driving force as well. You have this inner drive, this urge to create/use your talent.
Talent isn't a 0 or 1 thing either, you have a certain amount of talent, and it may vary with age. |
i have the inner drive to fuck most of the day ... is this a talent ??
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| Posted: Mon, 31st May 2010 23:36 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | Lathieza wrote: |
i have the inner drive to fuck most of the day ... is this a talent ?? |
In reality: it's possible. Perhaps your talent lies in exquisite love making, having a talent for creating pleasure like no one else. |
Keep it up like that and you could be my perfect wingman
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