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Lutzifer
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 Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010 21:11 Post subject: IFPI’s child porn strategy |
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http://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/ifpis-child-porn-strategy/
| Quote: | ”Child pornography is great,” the speaker at the podium declared enthusiastically. ”It is great because politicians understand child pornography. By playing that card, we can get them to act, and start blocking sites. And once they have done that, we can get them to start blocking file sharing sites”.
The venue was a seminar organized by the American Chamber of Commerce in Stockholm on May 27, 2007, under the title ”Sweden — A Safe Haven for Pirates?”. The speaker was Johan Schlüter from the Danish Anti-Piracy Group, a lobby organization for the music and film industry associations, like IFPI and others.
I was there together with two other pirates, Pirate Party leader Rick Falkvinge, and veteran Internet activist Oscar Swartz. Oscar wrote a column about the seminar in Computer Sweden just after it had happened. Rick blogged about it later, and so did I. (All links in Swedish.)
”One day we will have a giant filter that we develop in close cooperation with IFPI and MPA. We continuously monitor the child porn on the net, to show the politicians that filtering works. Child porn is an issue they understand,” Johan Schlüter said with a grin, his whole being radiating pride and enthusiasm from the podium.
And seen from the perspective of IFPI and the rest of the copyright lobby, he of course had every reason to feel both proud and enthusiastic, after the success he had had with this strategy in Denmark.
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the article is longer and worth a read, but the above is the interesting bit about the media industry's agenda.
if the content mafia really gets their way and we get everything filtered, i ll just stop watching movies, listening to music and reading books that are not free of charge d.i.y. non-profit productions. There, i said it.
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TSR69
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010 21:15 Post subject: |
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I guess all centralised servers with pirated content will go sooner or later (by IP blocking or physically removed) so the future is torrentz (or similar p2p) with VPN.
And filtering CP and bestiality I can only encourage that.
Edit: something else of interest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_packet_inspection
still that can be overcome by good encryption
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2010 05:41 Post subject: |
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This has already happened in the UK, though not with the child porn strategy. But with the "Fileshares are criminals" strategy, this is also why theres a lack of IT Professionals now in the UK; they need a lot of people to hunt all the people down that have been criminalised as per the digital economy bill that was recently passed.
Now the lobby organisations et al can go to the european parliament and say "Well look our three strikes law works great in UK and France, adopt it for the rest of europe please or we go bankrupt!"
You wouldn't shoot a policeman, and then steal his helmet!... 
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adastar
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2010 11:38 Post subject: |
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what happened to that isp that stood up to the new law?
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Saner
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2010 16:38 Post subject: |
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You also need to read the T&C of your contract.
Dunno about now, but when wifi first started over here most ISP's put a clause in forbidding you from sharing it over wifi like that.
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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TSR69
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2010 16:44 Post subject: |
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If that draft of the ACTA treaty becomes reality all ISPs will be liable for the traffic generated by their customers, doubt that an end-user who provides for others will not be held responsible then.
ACTA treaty aims to deputize ISPs on copyrights
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2010 18:29 Post subject: |
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I wonder, if a pedophile gets caught by police one day, and say that he somehow erased his HDDs and they have no hard evidence in his home, just the ISP logs. Can't he just claim someone used his wifi without him knowing? Sure, he might be guilty of not protecting his connection, but judging from the situation here in IL, so many people have no clue about encryption and security (I can walk with my laptop on most major streets here in IL and there will be always at least 5 open wifi networks for me to join). So if he claims "it wasn't me, someone used my net without my knowledge", can they even do something about it? Even if he is given some punishment for not keeping it secured, surely it would be a lot less than for child pornography.
A silly example, but what happens if I forget to lock my door, and while I am gone from the house or am asleep or whatever, a hitman enters with a rifle and shoots someone. You can't have me responsible for murder just because I forgot to lock the door. 
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deelix
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LeoNatan
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Well I'd be safe at any rate because police here is stuck in the 80s.  But seriously, I wonder if this is a valid defense. They can't prove otherwise...
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deelix
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2010 21:51 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | I wonder, if a pedophile gets caught by police one day, and say that he somehow erased his HDDs and they have no hard evidence in his home, just the ISP logs. Can't he just claim someone used his wifi without him knowing? Sure, he might be guilty of not protecting his connection, but judging from the situation here in IL, so many people have no clue about encryption and security (I can walk with my laptop on most major streets here in IL and there will be always at least 5 open wifi networks for me to join). So if he claims "it wasn't me, someone used my net without my knowledge", can they even do something about it? Even if he is given some punishment for not keeping it secured, surely it would be a lot less than for child pornography.
A silly example, but what happens if I forget to lock my door, and while I am gone from the house or am asleep or whatever, a hitman enters with a rifle and shoots someone. You can't have me responsible for murder just because I forgot to lock the door. |
Although it's logical, they would find some reason to charge you I would imagine. Along the same lines as someone having drugs in your car, you're responsible for the car, hence responsible for the drugs. I tried using the argument against Comcast once when they tried to shut down my Internet for a while catching my modem's MAC download a hot torrent, they didn't fall for it anyway.
EDIT: This is of course, assuming American nationality..
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