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Acer




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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 14:28    Post subject: Dysthymia
Been feeling abit down and tired from time to time for a couple years now. Got an appointment at the doctors, did some tests to check if I was getting enough vitamsn, minerals etc

Physically I'm healthy but the doctor suggested that the problem might be psycological. So I searched the web a bit and read about a sickness called dysthymia which is kinda light from of depression. the more I read about the symptoms the more I realize that this might be what I'm suffering from.
My question now is if anyone else is taking or have taken anti-depression pills and can tell me alittle about the side effects? Right now I feel that its worth it, its gotten to the point that I have to force myself to get stuff done at work and at home.
I still go out and go to the gym but my head just isnt in it, I do stuff but hardly ever enjoy myself.


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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 14:44    Post subject:
antidepressants? might as well just kill yourself
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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 14:44    Post subject:
Before even touching anti-depressiva you should absolutely consult a doctor. Never take such medication on your own. Your 'depression' might be life itself, not a chemical imbalance in the brain. Go to a doctor, take tests and discuss. Only take medication altering the brain if it's absolutely necessary. Most anti-depressiva are highly addicitve and have a whole list of side-effects. Keep in mind that the brain is still a very large grey area for the medical segment, so don't be too eager with medication. If you take them without needing them, you might cause more probelms than you have now.
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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 14:54    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
Before even touching anti-depressiva you should absolutely consult a doctor. Never take such medication on your own. Your 'depression' might be life itself, not a chemical imbalance in the brain. Go to a doctor, take tests and discuss. Only take medication altering the brain if it's absolutely necessary. Most anti-depressiva are highly addicitve and have a whole list of side-effects. Keep in mind that the brain is still a very large grey area for the medical segment, so don't be too eager with medication. If you take them without needing them, you might cause more probelms than you have now.



Exactly, I wouldnt dream of doing anything like that. My doctor talked about anti-dep medication last time during my phsyical check. She seemed way to eager to just hook me up which seemed kinda odd. Swedish doctors are quite reluctant when it comes to medication.
She said however that we'd start with a very small dosage with pils that are very weak but I'm still alittle sceptical.

I'm gonna get an appointment with another doc, see what he/she suggests.


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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 15:15    Post subject:
I wouldn't say SSRI antidepressants are addictive. They take two to four weeks to just start to work. Side effects can be really bad but the worst thing about them is the side effects you have when trying to get off them after taking them for a while.

Also, I haven't heard of any blood tests or such that can be done to see if you are suffering for depression.

If I were you and my doctor thought taking antidepressants might be a good idea, I would try them for 2 or 3 months and see if they improve your situation. That is, if you are feeling depressed.


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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 15:56    Post subject:
Before thinking about medication try to figure out what's causing this depression.
If you can find that answer maybe you can change things and this depression blows over by itself.


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Acer




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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 15:59    Post subject:
Thing is I have stuttered my entire teenage and adult life. and although I've dealt with it and can live with it now I have a lot of negative stuff from my teenage years.
Its kinda like you drag a tree from the ground, but still have the roots underneath. Its a slow and painful process of ripping out the roots and some go very deep.
But I read that medication is good in addition to seeing a shrink.


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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 16:07    Post subject:
Mortibus wrote:
antidepressants? might as well just kill yourself


Haha, I don't think so. If you put enough effort into therapy, your life will really take a turn for the better.

Which is impossible with drugs like marihuana and cocaine, that will only make things much worse.

I should note that periods of depression are natural, and you need not run to the farmacy immediately. Most depressions disappear after a few weeks. If the symptoms still persist after 1 or 2 months, then you really should call your doctor.


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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 16:13    Post subject:
Like I wrote I've had it since my teenage years, so been suffering from this for about 10 years. The problem with dysthymia is that you have it for such a long time that it becomes normal. You think its just the way you are.


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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 17:20    Post subject:
I would suggest not googling for illnesses and their symptoms because that knowledge can work as a self-fulfilling prophecy a bit like the placebo effect in reverse. You might start imagining symptoms that you don't really have. And never discuss psychological disorders on the internet. The internet doesn't recognise those kinds of pseudo-illnesses. The only people on the internet are manly men who are 195 cm tall and have black belts in karate and date only supermodels. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 17:34    Post subject:
Yeh google isn't a great doc...!


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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 18:01    Post subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escitalopram <- this!

I take 40mg every day, no side effects other that when you start with them, I did get the shitter for a couple of weeks.

But dont take as much as me, 40mg is ALOT! And you will change the way you behave after six months or so(As in you become a different person).

But speak to a psychiatrist, not you regular doc... They dont know shit!
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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 18:31    Post subject:
Horrordee wrote:
Yeh google isn't a great doc...!



Well the best advice you already got is to see a professional.
Personally I have had depressions myself, it all leads back to my (bad) youth.
Walking around since my early twenties with a couple of personality disorders I found that life became increasingly harder to the point where nothing matters or has my interest anymore.
At age 40 now I am seeing a psycho-therapist for already 3 years and I am still on self-medication (alcohol) Very Happy

I don't think that talking about this on a board where you are quite anomynous is problematic just don't talk to much about this in your social network.
It estranges people from you.


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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 18:56    Post subject:
It should be a simple decision you have to make, if medication will allow you to truly enjoy your life then take it, don't worry about side-effects since depression itself causes the brain to atrophy.

Ultimately what else is there in life except to enjoy your existence. Better to enjoy 10 years of happiness then suffer 50 years of dysthymic temperament.


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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 19:47    Post subject:
well known antidepressants side effects are getting fat and making your small friend temporally or completely inactive, good luck with that of course
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PostPosted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2010 19:52    Post subject:
Mortibus wrote:
well known antidepressants side effects are getting fat and making your small friend temporally or completely inactive, good luck with that of course


Then you just change to a different type of antidepressant. The second problem happened to me when I started taking Seroxat Embarassed I changed to Citalapram and no problems.


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PostPosted: Wed, 24th Mar 2010 08:32    Post subject:
Yeah I know about reading on the web about an ilness and how easy it is to think you're suffering from that so I'm gonna talk to my doc before doing anything. Dont think you even can take anti-dep meds before consulting a doctor or shrink.

But as is now I really dont need my little friend, its not like I'm going out enjoying life or anything. I think Animalmother said it best, sure meds are a risk but suffering from any type of depression is in itself a much worse "side effect".

I thought for the longest time that It was me, that I had a hard time getting motivated but the more I think about it the more I realize something is wrong.

I've gotten a second doct appointment this friday with another doc so will talk to him/her about this.


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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Apr 2010 13:11    Post subject:
how long do you sleep per night.. if you sleep for a long period to short that can also cause a depression.
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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Apr 2010 14:45    Post subject:
You dug up this old thread.

But I recently met this girl whit the same problems as me. We hung out for a few weeks I loved her but she wasnt ready for a relationship. But I learnt so much from her and developed alot as a man. I realize now that I'm just not a certain type of person. Im more of an introvert I prefer speaking about my emotions and not bland and boring stuff and gossip. So I think alot of the problem was that I didnt really know myself. But this last month has been great for me.
Only shame is that she didnt want to get involved with me in a deeper sence, I havent felt like that with any other girl and it was atleast from my part pure love. To have felt its gaze on me, even if for a few seconds, has given me an insight into something much deeper. I've felt something few people do and as a result I dont just want to be with any girl but the right one. And that feels good to be picky and choose someone whos not just pretty but also has a personality that fits mine.

I really agree with the saying: It is better to have loved and lost...


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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Apr 2010 17:07    Post subject: Re: Dysthymia
Acer wrote:
Been feeling abit down and tired from time to time for a couple years now. Got an appointment at the doctors, did some tests to check if I was getting enough vitamsn, minerals etc

Physically I'm healthy but the doctor suggested that the problem might be psycological. So I searched the web a bit and read about a sickness called dysthymia which is kinda light from of depression. the more I read about the symptoms the more I realize that this might be what I'm suffering from.
My question now is if anyone else is taking or have taken anti-depression pills and can tell me alittle about the side effects? Right now I feel that its worth it, its gotten to the point that I have to force myself to get stuff done at work and at home.
I still go out and go to the gym but my head just isnt in it, I do stuff but hardly ever enjoy myself.

How old are you?
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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Apr 2010 17:08    Post subject:
Mortibus wrote:
antidepressants? might as well just kill yourself

That's not very nice is it?
Why say that?
The guy is asking for a bit of help and comments like that help no1.
All though i agree anti depressants do more bad then good in the long run.
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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Apr 2010 17:58    Post subject: Re: Dysthymia
Theescapist wrote:
Acer wrote:
Been feeling abit down and tired from time to time for a couple years now. Got an appointment at the doctors, did some tests to check if I was getting enough vitamsn, minerals etc

Physically I'm healthy but the doctor suggested that the problem might be psycological. So I searched the web a bit and read about a sickness called dysthymia which is kinda light from of depression. the more I read about the symptoms the more I realize that this might be what I'm suffering from.
My question now is if anyone else is taking or have taken anti-depression pills and can tell me alittle about the side effects? Right now I feel that its worth it, its gotten to the point that I have to force myself to get stuff done at work and at home.
I still go out and go to the gym but my head just isnt in it, I do stuff but hardly ever enjoy myself.

How old are you?



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PostPosted: Sat, 24th Apr 2010 18:15    Post subject:
AD's probably saved my life on several occasions when I was at the lowest levels. They (I take Cipralex nowadays) increase quality of life, removing anxiety and most of the depression.


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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010 15:45    Post subject: Re: Dysthymia
Acer wrote:
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I dont know what they have in your neck of the woods but I have taken Paxil, Paxil CR and Lexapro. When I took Paxil I couldn't tell a difference in how I felt. Still had a negative outlook and hated the world. Paxil CR, same shit just couldn't urinate one night, at all. Not even a dribble. It was horrible. That's where Lexapro came into play and that shit was just awful. The suicidal thoughts and reactions and all that shit you read in the side effects that make you say - nahhh, only crazy people. Yup they were all there after a week or two of that. I threw that shit away and never took another SSRI.

Turns out I have low test, a lot of stress and just generally don't get along well with others. I didn't need to take that shit for my problems. A weekly test injection keeps me feeling right (and helps in the gym too Very Happy ). Stress is something everyone deals with, you just have to learn how and i've always disliked people in general and I always will.

Sometimes you just have to accept who you are and what you've become and deal with it. As for me, I wouldn't fuck with that mess ever again.
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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010 16:57    Post subject:
I've been meditating on this abit, wondering if I need to find a profession I like. If I can enjoy my work then hopefully I'll be able to enjoy the rest of my life aswell. I'm realising more and more that I'm walking down the wrong path right now and as a result I'm not enjoying myself at all. Everything feels like a chore, draining energy from me instead of adding when doing something meaningful.
Only problem is to find the right path...


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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010 18:18    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
AD's probably saved my life on several occasions when I was at the lowest levels. They (I take Cipralex nowadays) increase quality of life, removing anxiety and most of the depression.


Yes they do, they give you back your life. But it seems there are a lot of people who only notice the negative side effects. Which can be quite severe.


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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Apr 2010 18:23    Post subject:
Mortibus wrote:
well known antidepressants side effects are getting fat and making your small friend temporally or completely inactive, good luck with that of course


Your small friend...? Wink

But you are correct: a loss of libido is a major side effect of nearly all antidepressants out there. I think most people are unaware of that side effect when they ask for a prescription.


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PostPosted: Wed, 28th Apr 2010 15:42    Post subject:
Nalo wrote:
having self confidence and good friends, a good diet, hobbies, no drugs, all that stuff is the way forward (IMO)


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PostPosted: Wed, 28th Apr 2010 21:27    Post subject:
+1 nalo

exercising, working out, etc will help you feel better about yourself. for me, seeing positive changes in my body made a huge difference in my overall outlook on things. sure, i still hate people and still hate social gatherings of any sort but as i said, i just believe that's my personality. a result of my childhood and how i was raised, but it shaped me. i can't see taking something like that to change the nature of who you are. it's better to deal with it.

also agree on not worrying over shit. what will it change? i think people confuse worrying about something and caring about something as one in the same. in an example: there's a good chance i will be unemployed in the next 2 - 6 months. do i care? of course - but will i worry about it? fuck no! it wont' change a thing. i've analyzed the situation and realized that i cannot change it. the only thing i can really do is deal with it when it happens.

i think a lot of people confuse those 2 and they worry themselves to death over shit that they really have no control over. all that really needs to be done is to analyze it, come up with a plan and be prepared and deal with it when it happens.
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