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Ronhrin
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| Newty182 wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | iNatan wrote: | Not just Islam, but they are certainly going through their dark age. When you compare the big three, they are certainly at the peak of awfulness.
As much as some try to convince us how all the fanatics are just a minority, the fact that there is no vocal opposition to Saudi Arabia and the like, just proves how wrong they are.
And hopefully PumpAction will forgive me. I do not target this at specific individuals, but rather at the entire group. Judaism is pretty awful too, as I have first hand experience, but there are, what, 20 mil. at the most worldwide? |
Yeah, there are still quite a few of them, Hitler wasn't able to finish the job  |
I'm sure someone could find that offensive even if you're just joking. |
Well, if they share the religious views of the jewish community, I'm glad they got offended, if they are merely jews from bloodline with no affiliation with their cultural religious views, them I'm sorry if I offended you in any way.
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010 10:39 Post subject: |
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Nothing good comes from religion or from religious driven actions.
Most people who make good deeds and help others in the name of religion are actually trying to prove themselves worthy to god. |
So if you do something good for other people you have to in no way think of yourself? Im pretty sure the people you help wont care if you do it so you can go to heaven or what ever.
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Well, if they share the religious views of the jewish community, I'm glad they got offended, if they are merely jews from bloodline with no affiliation with their cultural religious views, them I'm sorry if I offended you in any way. |
You dont care if you opset people if the are religious? They could just stop being religious cooks i guess.
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| JahLux wrote: | Religion is in most cases bad. my 2 cents  |
There I fixed it for you 
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | Well, if they share the religious views of the jewish community, I'm glad they got offended, if they are merely jews from bloodline with no affiliation with their cultural religious views, them I'm sorry if I offended you in any way. |
Usually when a debate goes with only one side throwing arguments, then you get the chance to hear what the less intelligent have to say since there's nobody to confront them.
And your post, my friend, is definitely one of those... Im not blaming you for your lack of knowledge about the holocaust or Judaism, but I assure you that if some day you would get into a holocaust museum and educate yourself some more, then you would be very very ashamed of your above post.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010 16:24 Post subject: |
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| oxyeL wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | Well, if they share the religious views of the jewish community, I'm glad they got offended, if they are merely jews from bloodline with no affiliation with their cultural religious views, them I'm sorry if I offended you in any way. |
Usually when a debate goes with only one side throwing arguments, then you get the chance to hear what the less intelligent have to say since there's nobody to confront them.
And your post, my friend, is definitely one of those... Im not blaming you for your lack of knowledge about the holocaust or Judaism, but I assure you that if some day you would get into a holocaust museum and educate yourself some more, then you would be very very ashamed of your above post. |
You are deeply wrong, "my friend", I am probably one of the most well informed persons around this forum about the holocaust, the issue here is that I couldn't care less.
I have often said this and I have no problem saying it again, it is my view that every single people oblivious to reason that choose religion as a way of life doesn't even deserve to live, I am in no way advocating for a second holocaust or anything of the sort, in fact I am deeply against the nature of genocide, but in all honesty I can't hide the fact that the death of such moronic people would make me nothing short of happy.
They are stupid and moronic to such a degree that if there's one thing I'm ashamed of, is to belong to the same species as them, a life of a person with autism or cerebral paralysis has more value that every single religious people on the world combined, at the very least, as limited as they cognitive functions may be, they still struggle trying to understand reason, something which is clearly not the case on most deeply religious persons.
You can think what you want about this, I honestly don't care, I have come to a point when dealing with religious retards where I said enough is enough, their stupidity is infinite, and the worst of it is that they are constantly improving on just how stupid they can be. They are brain dead, they might as well die completely and save us the trouble of having to coexist with them.
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | oxyeL wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | Well, if they share the religious views of the jewish community, I'm glad they got offended, if they are merely jews from bloodline with no affiliation with their cultural religious views, them I'm sorry if I offended you in any way. |
Usually when a debate goes with only one side throwing arguments, then you get the chance to hear what the less intelligent have to say since there's nobody to confront them.
And your post, my friend, is definitely one of those... Im not blaming you for your lack of knowledge about the holocaust or Judaism, but I assure you that if some day you would get into a holocaust museum and educate yourself some more, then you would be very very ashamed of your above post. |
You are deeply wrong, "my friend", I am probably one of the most well informed persons around this forum about the holocaust, the issue here is that I couldn't care less.
I have often said this and I have no problem saying it again, it is my view that every single people oblivious to reason that choose religion as a way of life doesn't even deserve to live, I am in no way advocating for a second holocaust or anything of the sort, in fact I am deeply against the nature of genocide, but in all honesty I can't hide the fact that the death of such moronic people would make me nothing short of happy.
They are stupid and moronic to such a degree that if there's one thing I'm ashamed of, is to belong to the same species as them, a life of a person with autism or cerebral paralysis has more value that every single religious people on the world combined, at the very least, as limited as they cognitive functions may be, they still struggle trying to understand reason, something which is clearly not the case on most deeply religious persons.
You can think what you want about this, I honestly don't care, I have come to a point when dealing with religious retards where I said enough is enough, their stupidity is infinite, and the worst of it is that they are constantly improving on just how stupid they can be. They are brain dead, they might as well die completely and save us the trouble of having to coexist with them. |
Hating a group of people to the point that you wish they were all dead just because they don't agree with your superior way of life and thinking turns you into exactly the same fanatic you hate so much, just from the other side of the barricade.
Everybody has the right to think and live the life he chooses to as long as he doesn't hurt others.
Frankly I don't see the difference between your ideology of hating any religious for the sole reason he's religious and hating gays, blacks, jews because they're ugly, stinking, stupid, plan to control the world.
Your unambiguous statements that you're very well educated and that all the believers are stupid, prove ow little you actually know, as anyone who just tries to educate himself a bit more or talks to people about various subjects soon realizes how little he actually understands and becomes more cautions before deligitmizing other opinions.
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| oxyeL wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | oxyeL wrote: |
Usually when a debate goes with only one side throwing arguments, then you get the chance to hear what the less intelligent have to say since there's nobody to confront them.
And your post, my friend, is definitely one of those... Im not blaming you for your lack of knowledge about the holocaust or Judaism, but I assure you that if some day you would get into a holocaust museum and educate yourself some more, then you would be very very ashamed of your above post. |
You are deeply wrong, "my friend", I am probably one of the most well informed persons around this forum about the holocaust, the issue here is that I couldn't care less.
I have often said this and I have no problem saying it again, it is my view that every single people oblivious to reason that choose religion as a way of life doesn't even deserve to live, I am in no way advocating for a second holocaust or anything of the sort, in fact I am deeply against the nature of genocide, but in all honesty I can't hide the fact that the death of such moronic people would make me nothing short of happy.
They are stupid and moronic to such a degree that if there's one thing I'm ashamed of, is to belong to the same species as them, a life of a person with autism or cerebral paralysis has more value that every single religious people on the world combined, at the very least, as limited as they cognitive functions may be, they still struggle trying to understand reason, something which is clearly not the case on most deeply religious persons.
You can think what you want about this, I honestly don't care, I have come to a point when dealing with religious retards where I said enough is enough, their stupidity is infinite, and the worst of it is that they are constantly improving on just how stupid they can be. They are brain dead, they might as well die completely and save us the trouble of having to coexist with them. |
Hating a group of people to the point that you wish they were all dead just because they don't agree with your superior way of life and thinking turns you into exactly the same fanatic you hate so much, just from the other side of the barricade.
Everybody has the right to think and live the life he chooses to as long as he doesn't hurt others.
Frankly I don't see the difference between your ideology of hating any religious for the sole reason he's religious and hating gays, blacks, jews because they're ugly, stinking, stupid, plan to control the world.
Your unambiguous statements that you're very well educated and that all the believers are stupid, prove ow little you actually know, as anyone who just tries to educate himself a bit more or talks to people about various subjects soon realizes how little he actually understands and becomes more cautions before deligitmizing other opinions. |
You didn't hear me say that gays and blacks are ugly or stupid or stinking, we are talking about religion, and just like you referenced, it is a choice, it is as much a choice as choosing to steal or murder rather than living a peaceful life.
And that choice implies that you choose something that is wrong, that has been proven again and again through rationality and logic that is not only wrong, but utterly ridiculous, and no, I have no problem with every single religious people on the planet, because I am aware that most of them never had the choice to question it and realize how wrong it was, perhaps because of their cultural origins or their upbringing, what I have a problem is with people that are exposed to reason and given a chance to understand how all religions are wrong and still choose to ignore it as if it was all a matter of perspective, it is those kind of people that I despise.
Religion and Science aren't a matter of perspective, they are a matter of fact against illusion, if you have a child of your own, there is a point where it stops to be normal for them to believe in santa claus, if your teenage child still believes in it, there has to be something wrong with him, well, it is the exactly same issue with religion, no matter how you try to disguise it, humanity's time for believing in supernatural beings has passed away since the industrial revolution, before even, anyone who still tries to hold into that illusion is as retard as an 18 year old still believing in santa.
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| Ronhrin wrote: | You didn't hear me say that gays and blacks are ugly or stupid or stinking, we are talking about religion, and just like you referenced, it is a choice, it is as much a choice as choosing so steal or murder or living a peaceful life.
And that choice implies that you choose something that is wrong, that has been proven again and again through rationality and logic that is not only wrong, but utterly ridiculous, and no, I have no problem with every single religious people on the planet, because I am aware that most of them never had the choice to question it and realize how wrong it was, perhaps because of their cultural origins or their upbringing, what I have a problem is with people that are exposed to reason and given a chance to understand how all religions are wrong and still choose to ignore it as if it was all a matter of perspective, it is those kind of people that I despise.
Religion and Science aren't a matter of perspective, they are a matter of fact against illusion, if you have a child of your own, there is a point where it stops to be normal for them to believe in santa claus, if your teenage child still believes in it, there has to be something wrong with him, well, it is the exactly same issue with religion, no matter how you try to disguise it, humanity's time for believing in supernatural beings has passed away since the industrial revolution, before even, anyone who still tries to hold into that illusion is as retard as an 18 year old still believing in santa. |
You're talking like you're an all knowing entity and that science has the answers for all the questions, in fact it doesn't have the answers for even the basic ones.
Have you ever thought that the reason why all the religious fanatics you debated with are all idiots, simply because they're the only ones who agree to prove something to someone with your narrow way of thinking, while the real serious people wouldn't really bother.
I'm not a religious man myself, but I met all kinds of people during my rather short lifetime, and that was enough for me to understand that every single man deserves to have his own opinion, because nobody knows the ultimate truth as long as he doesn't hurt others.
The enemy is not religion and not atheism, the enemy are people with black and white views of the world who brought on us the fascism, communism and radical islam.
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| oxyeL wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | You didn't hear me say that gays and blacks are ugly or stupid or stinking, we are talking about religion, and just like you referenced, it is a choice, it is as much a choice as choosing so steal or murder or living a peaceful life.
And that choice implies that you choose something that is wrong, that has been proven again and again through rationality and logic that is not only wrong, but utterly ridiculous, and no, I have no problem with every single religious people on the planet, because I am aware that most of them never had the choice to question it and realize how wrong it was, perhaps because of their cultural origins or their upbringing, what I have a problem is with people that are exposed to reason and given a chance to understand how all religions are wrong and still choose to ignore it as if it was all a matter of perspective, it is those kind of people that I despise.
Religion and Science aren't a matter of perspective, they are a matter of fact against illusion, if you have a child of your own, there is a point where it stops to be normal for them to believe in santa claus, if your teenage child still believes in it, there has to be something wrong with him, well, it is the exactly same issue with religion, no matter how you try to disguise it, humanity's time for believing in supernatural beings has passed away since the industrial revolution, before even, anyone who still tries to hold into that illusion is as retard as an 18 year old still believing in santa. |
You're talking like you're an all knowing entity and that science has the answers for all the questions, in fact it doesn't have the answers for even the basic ones.
Have you ever thought that the reason why all the religious fanatics you debated with are all idiots, simply because they're the only ones who agree to prove something to someone with your narrow way of thinking, while the real serious people wouldn't really bother.
I'm not a religious man myself, but I met all kinds of people during my rather short lifetime, and that was enough for me to understand that every single man deserves to have his own opinion, because nobody knows the ultimate truth as long as he doesn't hurt others.
The enemy is not religion and not atheism, the enemy are people with black and white views of the world who brought on us the fascism, communism and radical islam. |
Again, when there's a subject that relies on opinion, you would be completely right, but religion isn't the case, religion is a failed attempt on trying to make up answers about how reality works while forcefully trying to attribute it a higher meaning or purpose, science has invalidate religion centuries ago and continues to do it to this day, there is no universal meaning aside from the meaning we as conscious beings want to give ourselves.
It is clear science has not answered everything, and it might or might not ever answer, but the objective of science is to find the truth by rational means, and it is a constant work in process.
Religion already knows everything, they have already made up their answer to everything, how is this a matter of opinion?
You might argue that my intolerance for religion and religious people is wrong, but you can never say that choice between religious "truth" and scientific truth is a matter of opinion, it isn't, it never was, it will never be, it is a wrong failed view of reality that is long past it's expiration date, what you have to understand is this, religion was once a scientific theory, it was a branch of knowledge accepted as truth that eventually was proven false, science is ever evolving and changing in the quest for real truth about the universe.
There never was, in my view, science against religion, science always meant the pursuit of knowledge leading to truth, and the thesis that god existed was nothing more than a scientific theory explaining the nature of the universe, the mere statement of science against religion is the same as geocentrism against general relativity, it just a proven outdated view of the universe against the verified truth of the modern age, nobody in their right mind would "believe" that the solar system is a geocentric system, we know for an absolute fact that it is the sun that it is at the center of the solar system with everything else orbiting it, just as we know that every last religion view in the world is a remnant of old science proven wrong.
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| Ronhrin wrote: | Again, when there's a subject that relies on opinion, you would be completely right, but religion isn't the case, religion is a failed attempt on trying to make up answers about how reality works while forcefully trying to attribute it a higher meaning or purpose, science has invalidate religion centuries ago and continues to do it to this day, there is no universal meaning aside from the meaning we as conscious beings want to give ourselves.
It is clear science has not answered everything, and it might or might not ever answer, but the objective of science is to find the truth by rational means, and it is a constant work in process.
Religion already knows everything, they have already made up their answer to everything, how is this a matter of opinion?
You might argue that my intolerance for religion and religious people is wrong, but you can never say that choice between religious "truth" and scientific truth is a matter of opinion, it isn't, it never was, it will never be, it is a wrong failed view of reality that is long past it's expiration date, what you have to understand is this, religion was once a scientific theory, it was a branch of knowledge accepted as truth that eventually was proven false, science is ever evolving and changing in the quest for real truth about the universe.
There never was, in my view, science against religion, science always meant the pursuit of knowledge leading to truth, and the thesis that god existed was nothing more than a scientific theory explaining the nature of the universe, the mere statement of science against religion is the same as geocentrism against general relativity, it just a proven outdated view of the universe against the verified truth of the modern age, nobody in their right mind would "believe" that the solar system is a geocentric system, we know for an absolute fact that it is the sun that it is at the center of the solar system with everything else orbiting it, just as we know that every last religion view in the world is a remnant of old science proven wrong. |
When a football team constantly loses, would you shut them down so there will be only winners? No, because that way there'll be no game and no fun.
The same goes here, I can live with anybody as long as he's playing by the rules and so should everybody around.
Indeed science has proved religion wrong in many cases through the time, that's because science is developing faster and is more easily changed.
Yet there's still much we all can learn from the philosophy or the stories in the bible or other writings- it all depends on what we're looking for.
I don't know what Orwellian reality you want to live in, but as I see the world- an individual may may believe that the world is flat just as he may prefer apple juice over orange juice. That is freedom of thought.
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| oxyeL wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | Again, when there's a subject that relies on opinion, you would be completely right, but religion isn't the case, religion is a failed attempt on trying to make up answers about how reality works while forcefully trying to attribute it a higher meaning or purpose, science has invalidate religion centuries ago and continues to do it to this day, there is no universal meaning aside from the meaning we as conscious beings want to give ourselves.
It is clear science has not answered everything, and it might or might not ever answer, but the objective of science is to find the truth by rational means, and it is a constant work in process.
Religion already knows everything, they have already made up their answer to everything, how is this a matter of opinion?
You might argue that my intolerance for religion and religious people is wrong, but you can never say that choice between religious "truth" and scientific truth is a matter of opinion, it isn't, it never was, it will never be, it is a wrong failed view of reality that is long past it's expiration date, what you have to understand is this, religion was once a scientific theory, it was a branch of knowledge accepted as truth that eventually was proven false, science is ever evolving and changing in the quest for real truth about the universe.
There never was, in my view, science against religion, science always meant the pursuit of knowledge leading to truth, and the thesis that god existed was nothing more than a scientific theory explaining the nature of the universe, the mere statement of science against religion is the same as geocentrism against general relativity, it just a proven outdated view of the universe against the verified truth of the modern age, nobody in their right mind would "believe" that the solar system is a geocentric system, we know for an absolute fact that it is the sun that it is at the center of the solar system with everything else orbiting it, just as we know that every last religion view in the world is a remnant of old science proven wrong. |
When a football team constantly loses, would you shut them down so there will be only winners? No, because that way there'll be no game and no fun.
The same goes here, I can live with anybody as long as he's playing by the rules and so should everybody around.
Indeed science has proved religion wrong in many cases through the time, that's because science is developing faster and is more easily changed.
Yet there's still much we all can learn from the philosophy or the stories in the bible or other writings- it all depends on what we're looking for.
I don't know what Orwellian reality you want to live in, but as I see the world- an individual may may believe that the world is flat just as he may prefer apple juice over orange juice. That is freedom of thought. |
Your example is perfect from what I'm trying to explain you in my last 3 posts, you may prefer one juice over another because you have come to enjoy the taste of one more over the other, this is a matter of OPINION, the believe that the earth is flat isn't an opinion, it is a FACT that the earth is spherical, no juice is better than the other, it was your development as a person that enabled your sensory receptors of taste to be more sensible to the taste of one juice over the other, facts are not subject to human interpretation choice or opinion.
You are obviously misreading my posts or else you wouldn't post something along the lines of what you just wrote in the above post, either that or you're unable to grasp what I'm telling you here.
Either way, in a nutshell I say only this, ignorance is the desire of mediocre minds, and stupidity is their crown achievement , I can never respect a person that chooses to ignore the truth to live a behind a mentally disabling lie, I can feel nothing but despise for such people, mainly because they will ignore to accept factual truth and yet they will preach their false illusion as if truth it was and still mock everyone who contradicts their delusional state.
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| Ronhrin wrote: | Your example is perfect from what I'm trying to explain you in my last 3 posts, you may prefer one juice over another because you have come to enjoy the taste of one more over the other, this is a matter of OPINION, the believe that the earth is flat isn't an opinion, it is a FACT that the earth is spherical, no juice is better than the other, it was your development as a person that enabled your sensory receptors of taste to be more sensible to the taste of one juice over the other, facts are not subject to human interpretation choice or opinion.
You are obviously misreading my posts or else you wouldn't post something along the lines of what you just wrote in the above post, either that or you're unable to grasp what I'm telling you here.
Either way, in a nutshell I say only this, ignorance is the desire of mediocre minds, and stupidity is their crown achievement , I can never respect a person that chooses to ignore the truth to live a behind a mentally disabling lie, I can feel nothing but despise for such people, mainly because they will ignore to accept factual truth and yet they will preach their false illusion as if truth it was and still mock everyone who contradicts their delusional state. |
And the devouted Christians despise you for not accepting Jesus as your prophet and savior and that you live an unfulfilled and empty spiritual life, that will eventually lead you to hell.
As in the third law of Newton, as long as people like you exist, so will people like the above ones, or otherwise.
I advise you to ease down a bit on your hating, that can't be healthy.
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| oxyeL wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | Your example is perfect from what I'm trying to explain you in my last 3 posts, you may prefer one juice over another because you have come to enjoy the taste of one more over the other, this is a matter of OPINION, the believe that the earth is flat isn't an opinion, it is a FACT that the earth is spherical, no juice is better than the other, it was your development as a person that enabled your sensory receptors of taste to be more sensible to the taste of one juice over the other, facts are not subject to human interpretation choice or opinion.
You are obviously misreading my posts or else you wouldn't post something along the lines of what you just wrote in the above post, either that or you're unable to grasp what I'm telling you here.
Either way, in a nutshell I say only this, ignorance is the desire of mediocre minds, and stupidity is their crown achievement , I can never respect a person that chooses to ignore the truth to live a behind a mentally disabling lie, I can feel nothing but despise for such people, mainly because they will ignore to accept factual truth and yet they will preach their false illusion as if truth it was and still mock everyone who contradicts their delusional state. |
And the devouted Christians despise you for not accepting Jesus as your prophet and savior and that you live an unfulfilled and empty spiritual life, that will eventually lead you to hell.
As in the third law of Newton, as long as people like you exist, so will people like the above ones, or otherwise.
I advise you to ease down a bit on your hating, that can't be healthy. |
Instead of reasoning, I guess this little smiley really illustrates how I feel about your latest posts.. 
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as long as you keep the bullshit to yourself and your groups, that's fine and I don't care about religion. |
EXACTLY. I have a lot of Christian friends and they're all cool. I've no problem with people having beliefs. it's just the people that force shit on others that annoy me. I don't even mind talking to my friends about their beliefs, but some people are just NUTS and don't care or listen to what you say. religion brainwashes weak people i guess |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | oxyeL wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | Your example is perfect from what I'm trying to explain you in my last 3 posts, you may prefer one juice over another because you have come to enjoy the taste of one more over the other, this is a matter of OPINION, the believe that the earth is flat isn't an opinion, it is a FACT that the earth is spherical, no juice is better than the other, it was your development as a person that enabled your sensory receptors of taste to be more sensible to the taste of one juice over the other, facts are not subject to human interpretation choice or opinion.
You are obviously misreading my posts or else you wouldn't post something along the lines of what you just wrote in the above post, either that or you're unable to grasp what I'm telling you here.
Either way, in a nutshell I say only this, ignorance is the desire of mediocre minds, and stupidity is their crown achievement , I can never respect a person that chooses to ignore the truth to live a behind a mentally disabling lie, I can feel nothing but despise for such people, mainly because they will ignore to accept factual truth and yet they will preach their false illusion as if truth it was and still mock everyone who contradicts their delusional state. |
And the devouted Christians despise you for not accepting Jesus as your prophet and savior and that you live an unfulfilled and empty spiritual life, that will eventually lead you to hell.
As in the third law of Newton, as long as people like you exist, so will people like the above ones, or otherwise.
I advise you to ease down a bit on your hating, that can't be healthy. |
Instead of reasoning, I guess this little smiley really illustrates how I feel about your latest posts.. |
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010 22:51 Post subject: |
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| zipfero wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | oxyeL wrote: |
And the devouted Christians despise you for not accepting Jesus as your prophet and savior and that you live an unfulfilled and empty spiritual life, that will eventually lead you to hell.
As in the third law of Newton, as long as people like you exist, so will people like the above ones, or otherwise.
I advise you to ease down a bit on your hating, that can't be healthy. |
Instead of reasoning, I guess this little smiley really illustrates how I feel about your latest posts.. |
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I already made my point, to add anything more would only result in me repeating myself, he isn't even making a case against my statements, the reaction I see in his latest posts is the same reaction that I see in an evangelical christian in denial, just projection out of his own emotional state and limited set of views and believes. further discussion with such people is pointless when nothing new is being added to the discussion.
He failed to understand most of what I wrote or simply ignored it, for someone who claims that is not a religious person, he sure behaves like one.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010 23:05 Post subject: |
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| Newty182 wrote: | Get over yourself 
There's no point in anyone talking to you about this subject as your small brain can't seem to get off that one way track on how you're looking at things. |
I actually laughed when I read your reply.
So let us all know, for the sake of this argument what exactly do you mean with "one way track of looking at things"
If my logic is flawed, then you of all people, with your "big brain" should be able to point exactly where is it flawed, unless what you really do mean with your statement is that I just need to have "a little faith"...
I really want to know what you mean by that because the only thing I said thus far in this thread that might be subject for interpretation is my personal despise towards religious people.
Aside from that, what I have been saying was merely an exercise in logic, and as any good scientist, please, if my logic is flawed in any way, please point it out to me.
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010 23:10 Post subject: |
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Let me guess, Newty182 is another evangelical christian in denial? 
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010 23:13 Post subject: |
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I think you might misundestand the words believe and faith
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010 23:13 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Let me guess, Newty182 is another evangelical christian in denial? |
Have I said that?
And when I inferred that about oxyeL, I was referring that is mindset and way of presenting arguments was very similar to those people.
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010 23:20 Post subject: |
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| fraich3 wrote: | | I think you might misundestand the words believe and faith |
Belief without evidence and (or) counter indicating evidence is the basis for faith, so the in the context of this discussion they practically mean the same thing.
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010 23:27 Post subject: |
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I think you missed the sarcasm there. 
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010 23:29 Post subject: |
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oh, my bad.. lol
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010 23:30 Post subject: |
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| Newty182 wrote: | | iNatan wrote: | | Let me guess, Newty182 is another evangelical christian in denial? |
No.
Went to a church activity group thing a few times when I was a kid because some of my friends went but that's about it. I have never really read the bible.
I'm not an Atheist or Christian. I don't label myself.
That said, every Christian I have ever known has been a kind good person that would always offer help if you needed it. And I have never met one that has tried to preach that shit to me. Ronhrin's rants are just becoming annoying. |
That really doesn't say much about how wrong I am.
Nobody here is talking about the good or bad nature of people with religious affiliations, (although there is great room for debate over that topic) what I was discussing is the notion on how religions is a failed system and how deeply religious people are completely shutdown to logic and reason.
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| Posted: Thu, 28th Jan 2010 23:48 Post subject: |
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | fraich3 wrote: | | I think you might misundestand the words believe and faith |
Belief without evidence and (or) counter indicating evidence is the basis for faith, so the in the context of this discussion they practically mean the same thing. |
Thats why I wrote both of them.. Believing doesnt necesairly make it truth, and it doesnt have to be truth to everyone in order for them to believe in it.
We can sit and jabber all day and night long about how the flaws in the bible, plus various other books on religion, and how God created the world. But in the end if people chose to believe in some omnipotent supernatural being, then you cant really do much about. Execpt hope that they dont thrust that bullshit into everybodys throat, but just live peacefull and honest lifes.
I love stabbing it to the religious freaks as much as the next guy. And when it comes to the bible I look at it more as a childrens book with common guidelines as how to live life. Dont steal, murder, be kind to thy neighbour etc.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Jan 2010 00:33 Post subject: |
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Ronhrin, you can't even find someone on nfohump, where most users would rather believe in goatse than god, to agree with your hateful beliefs. Maybe in 4chan you would find somebody who shares your superior intellect and ideology.
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