You shouldn't listen to people who dress like that. They might say "islam says this and islams says that" but they have a very distorted perspective...
can't be worse than listen to the guy next to you, drinking a beer and smoking a cigarette, telling the vendor how he only eats meat that is halal ....
nobody says it should be done. heck, the one video even says that "its like islam is saying, Don't beat..." because there are so many steps BEFORE it, that it should actually never occur ...
Sure, it may happen all over the place but the ones you're reffering to are people who think it's morally okey to beat their wifes. What I have a problem with, is that (at least according to that retard on the youtube videos) beating your wife is an acceptable thing to do and something one SHOULD do if all else fails, and that's just retarded.
Violence should never be the answer in a relationship conflict. And yes, I know you don't think it should be done either.
hehe obviously i never implied it being ok or saying anything of sorts. Only reason i took a somewhat "pro muslim" defensive stance was the hippocrit jews, christians and even atheists etc here and elsewhere.
now you can joke or judge or whatever, but tell me this, what are the "rules" in judaism or christianity about this ? ....
Any retard who sees women as inferior is obviously capable of hitting them as he pleases, we have that with every religion. I just haven't seen any videos of other religious freaks talking about the issue.
and you know just as i do, in Western Cultures its a huge issue. I.e. men beating their Wives/Gf's etc. Just nobody talks about it openly .. which makes it all the worse.
You know what's the difference? Here when they catch the prick, they throw his ass in jail (and according to American prison clichés, he gets it up the ass in the showers ), while in those parts of the world, this is a perfectly acceptable behavior.
if only that would happen ... most woman don't go to the police (and we're talking B IG majority here). So its kinda null lol. And again, nobody in islam says "go beat your wife dude"...
apparently were not allowed (if ur not muslim) to now say the word allah... or they can kill us... wtf?
that shit on the news is getting out of control bring it on here in uk i say.. lets get some mosques down and let the cleansing begin.... fucking too soft mother fucking border controls..
apparently were not allowed (if ur not muslim) to now say the word allah... or they can kill us... wtf?
that shit on the news is getting out of control bring it on here in uk i say.. lets get some mosques down and let the cleansing begin.... fucking too soft mother fucking border controls..
im voting BnP next time..
Sure you are allowed to say Allah, even christian arabs and armenians say allah, because it's just the word for god.
Nobody is going to kill anybody for this, in malaysia some messed up dudes wan't to differ between the christians saying allah and the muslims but that is bullshit and has nothing to do with islam.
Where did you get that fucked up info that you could get killed for this? That source'd really deserve a beating
<- thats from the passion of christ, scroll to 1:30, he says allah too. it would be ridiculous to forbid it for anyone but muslims.
apparently were not allowed (if ur not muslim) to now say the word allah... or they can kill us... wtf?
that shit on the news is getting out of control bring it on here in uk i say.. lets get some mosques down and let the cleansing begin.... fucking too soft mother fucking border controls..
im voting BnP next time..
Sure you are allowed to say Allah, even christian arabs and armenians say allah, because it's just the word for god.
Nobody is going to kill anybody for this, in malaysia some messed up dudes wan't to differ between the christians saying allah and the muslims but that is bullshit and has nothing to do with islam.
Where did you get that fucked up info that you could get killed for this? That source'd really deserve a beating
<- thats from the passion of christ, scroll to 1:30, he says allah too. it would be ridiculous to forbid it for anyone but muslims.
I understand that you have no other choice but to defend your religion but it seems to me that it is always the same argument. 'It's only a few crazy people in Saudi Arabia'. 'It's only a few crazy people in Iran'. 'It's only a few crazy people in Malaysia'. 'It's only a few crazy people in Afghanistan'.
Taken together, that's a LOT of crazy people.
Anyway, the thread is for the craziness that religion is capable of and not about proving that the craziness is an exception or moderating people's views. In my opinion, religion itself is an abherration so the craziness would be like the final stages of a disease.
apparently were not allowed (if ur not muslim) to now say the word allah... or they can kill us... wtf?
that shit on the news is getting out of control bring it on here in uk i say.. lets get some mosques down and let the cleansing begin.... fucking too soft mother fucking border controls..
im voting BnP next time..
Nice trolling attempt. But no sane person vote for pedonazis.
and you know just as i do, in Western Cultures its a huge issue. I.e. men beating their Wives/Gf's etc. Just nobody talks about it openly .. which makes it all the worse.
There's a major difference in that the quran actually states that a husband should/can beat his wife if she doesn't do what she's told. And as far as the quran is concerned it's allahs words as written by muhammed, and therefore faultless and against any kind of criticism.
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Tabari IX:113 "Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an."
"A Woman may be likened to a sheep—even a cow or a camel—for all are ridden.” (Tafsir al-Qurtubi vol.15, p.172)
Sunan Dawud book 11, 2141 [after first forbidding wife beating, Muhammad changes his mind] "...Do not beat Allah's handmaidens, but when Umar came to the Apostle of Allah and said 'Women have become emboldened towards their husbands', the Prophet gave permission to beat them." Dawud 2142 "Narrated Umar ibn al-KhattabThe Prophet said, “A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife."
"Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: When a man invites his wife to his bed and she does not come, and he (the husband) spends the night being angry with her, the angels curse her until morning." (Sahih Muslim Vol. 2, p. 723)
Quran, An-Nisa 4:34 - "Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme."
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An Australian cleric has provoked outrage by telling worshippers it is acceptable for men to rape and beat their wives.
Self-styled cleric Samir Abu Hamza, who runs the Islamic Information and Services Network of Australasia in Melbourne, advised a male audience in Sydney in 2003 that they could force their wives to have sex and beat them if they were "disobedient".
In a lecture titled "The Keys to a Successful Marriage", which has since been posted on the internet and viewed thousands of times, Mr Hamza said men could beat their wives, "to shape them up", but should try not to draw blood or bruise them.
He also said women "must respond" if their husbands wanted to have sex, and ridiculed laws that prohibit rape within marriage.
"In this country if the husband wants to sleep with his wife and she does not want to and she hasn't got a sickness or whatever, there is nothing wrong with her she just does not feel like it, and he ends up sleeping with her by force ... it is known to be as rape," Mr Hamza said.
hey i'm not defending the quran here hehe. i just thought it funny that the jew (sorry inatan ) started the usual "lets hate muslim" ranter.
And i stay by my point, that there are probably more wife beaters and rapists (of all sorts) in western "christian" cultures/countries than in Islamic ones ...
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bring it on here in uk i say.. lets get some mosques down and let the cleansing begin.... fucking too soft mother fucking border controls..
) started the usual "lets hate muslim" ranter.
