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LeoNatan
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 Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 20:15 Post subject: Windows 8 and 9 in R&D, may support 128bit CPUs |
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Holy shit 
| Quote: | There was a time when Microsoft’s focus with the Windows 7 release was to support 64-bit only. Now, that focus has been pushed forward to Windows 8. Whether or not the Windows 8 release will see support for 64-bit only is yet to be determined, but I’ve stumbled upon a rather eye-opening Microsoft Research project: 128-bit architecture compatibility with the Windows 8 and Windows 9 kernel.
Naturally, 128-bit is the next step up from 64-bit and though it had to happen at some point, I’m surprised to see this surface so soon (and when I say, “surface,” I mean, “go public”). Robert Morgan, Senior Research and Development at Microsoft, has posted the following bit of experience on his LinkedIn profile:
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Senior Research & Development
Microsoft
Public Company; MSFT; Computer Software industry
January 2002 – Present (7 years 10 months)
Working in high security department for research and development involving strategic planning for medium and longterm projects. Research & Development projects including 128bit architecture compatibility with the Windows 8 kernel and Windows 9 project plan. Forming relationships with major partners: Intel, AMD, HP and IBM. |
So, not only is Microsoft Research on top of this, but it appears they are forming relationships with some heavy-hitters, namely Intel, AMD, HP and IBM. If you notice Robert’s status, it says, “[s]omeone didn’t set the test for the new AMD 128bit properly.” Interestingly enough, this isn’t the first time I’ve seen mention of Windows 9 (see here and here). With all of that in mind, it appears as though Windows 8 and Windows 9 are shaping up to be fairly major releases in their own regards. With Windows 7 being considered a major release, it will be interesting to see if Microsoft stays on-track with their major/minor roadmap.
UPDATE 1: Here is an interesting article discussing an AMD 128-bit CPU: AMD’s next-gen Bulldozer is a 128-bit crunching monster (Thanks to @stroughtonsmith for the link!)
UPDATE 2: Fortunately for us, it seems Mr. Morgan likes to talk about his work through his status; one of which previously read as follows:
“Robert Morgan is working to get IA-128 working backwards with full binary compatibility on the existing IA-64 instructions in the hardware simulation to work for Windows 8 and definitely Windows 9.”
Alright! IA-128! The plot thickens… |
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 21:02 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 21:22 Post subject: |
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Well, a 128bit Itanium (server or HPC) is coming, and that AMD Bulldozer is also 128bit, which is 2-3 years away.
Also about the Vista v1, v2  They are all called NT for a reason. But you stick with your XP, just like there are people sticking with 98 cause NT is too bloated.
I kid you not: http://www.msfn.org/board/windows-95-98-98se-me-f8.html
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 21:28 Post subject: |
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What would the real world application be for 128-bit? Supercomputers? Who needs more than 16 exabytes of ram?
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 21:45 Post subject: |
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Well, aside from the larger memory addressing space, there is also support for 128bit registers, which means much faster math calculations at a very high precision.  Obviously, 128bit addressing space is not really needed; Windows Server 2008 Datacenter (& R2), the highest tier of the server OS, supports up to only 2TB, which far below the 2^64 limit.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 21:46 Post subject: |
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GTFO with this 128-bit crap plz.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 21:52 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Well, aside from the larger memory addressing space, there is also support for 128bit registers, which means much faster math calculations at a very high precision. |
Wouldn't it also mean slower simple calculations, as all number, floating point numbers, etc, now need to be written as 128-bit values, or do I misunderstand?
Also, it took a lot of time for 64-bit to gain any ground in the desktop market (and still ain't completely there yet). I can only guess how long 128-bit will take... |
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 21:54 Post subject: |
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So they'll develop it, and the price of those would be such that only NSA could buy it No really, we don't use the full capacity of 64-bit processors, and 128-bit... Maybe in a 50-100 yrs...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 22:06 Post subject: |
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| Parallax_ wrote: | | Wouldn't it also mean slower simple calculations, as all number, floating point numbers, etc, now need to be written as 128-bit values, or do I misunderstand? |
Not necessarily, because for a 128bit CPU, 128bit instructions are native. So a properly written and compiled application could take advantage of both speed and precision.
| Parallax_ wrote: | | Also, it took a lot of time for 64-bit to gain any ground in the desktop market (and still ain't completely there yet). I can only guess how long 128-bit will take... |
Well, considering 64bit CPUs have been available since the 70s for supercomputing, if we take that as a measurement, things are not optimistic. But remember, Windows is not only for the desktop. Microsoft has been aggressively pushing their Windows HPC SKU (from the Server line) for a few years now, and I have a feeling this 128bit support, if any, will be pushed toward the HPC, not the desktop line. |
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 22:21 Post subject: |
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the thing is, precision can always be lowered without problems, but when trying to run higher precision on lower hardware (64bit on 32bit processors) you ll have to live with severly reduced computational speeds.
I doubt the 128bit will affect "realism" in games though, as that is mainly the domain of the graphics card(s). But that is for the future to show us =)
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 22:27 Post subject: |
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... Maybe they can use it to calculate more digits for pi
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Oct 2009 22:34 Post subject: |
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Well, I doubt we'll see games compiled for 128bit any time soon in the next 20 years. I think this is geared more toward the supercomputing markets (i.e. bio medicine, astronomy, etc), where that high precision is needed. I think Microsoft is just looking for a stepping in that market also.
But GPU use for these tasks is also gaining a huge push. While not everything can be done in GPGPU, a lot can be done, and Intel is pushing to this (to the dismay of nVidia, who try to convince the world CUDA is enough; it isn't of course). Intel, with Larrabee, I think it's safe to say, will be looking into mashing the next (or perhaps two) generation of CPU. Larrabee itself can be seen as multiple x86 CPUs together (it also uses the x86 instruction set). So this is another possible future of supercomputing.
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why would anyone be surprised, it's just like dx10, 11 etc
same goes for cpu's, no matter how many apps or whatever will be optimized for new stuff as long if it's new it's buyable and no it's not about progress an all that bs
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Oct 2009 12:11 Post subject: |
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Will take adobe until 2134 to support it.
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Oct 2009 07:14 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | why would anyone be surprised, it's just like dx10, 11 etc
same goes for cpu's, no matter how many apps or whatever will be optimized for new stuff as long if it's new it's buyable and no it's not about progress an all that bs |
No its about the moneys.
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wonder when such CPUs will be commercially available (5-10 years would be my guess), does m$ have a magic 8 ball or something?
