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dominae
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 02:38    Post subject: Annoying exaggerations...
It seems it's the age of the unlimited exaggerations, you see them everywhere; from TV-ads to forum-posts and generally throughout all expressive modern culture. It seems as if the language has lost it's original function, which is to convey messages in their actual meaning. But with all the "This is the best series ever", "Amazing deal", "Incredible price" and "So tasty, it'll knock you out" I wonder what there is to come.

I do think exaggerations can be quite useful sometimes, when you (sic!) actually want to exaggerate. When the exaggeration has a purpose and is meaningful. Such as: "Holy shit man! That was an awesome song!", there is nothing wrong with expressing what you actually feel. But in a world of "laughing out loud", when what you actually felt was a 2-volt shocked apathy - it seems to me that the culture of commercials really has turned the application of linguistics to the average man into nonsense.

Particularly annoying is the comparative exaggerations, the ones where the meaning is so distant from the real opinion, it's apparent. For example (this is used by several adults) something akin to: "That (behaviour) is the worst I know", or "This is the worst day of my life", or "I've never been this embarrased in my life", etc. - are people's lives so meaningless that they have to lie to themselves? I mean, what's wrong with being honest to oneself? Does it somehow invalidate an experience by saying: "That food tasted really bad" instead of "This is the worst meal I've ever had?".

While this is happening all around me, it seems to me that exaggerations lose their quality with all their extreme overuse. Being very happy gets sort of watered out, when you look at people with miserable expressions on their face uttering it in some sort of morbid utterance of sarcasm. And it seems that people get really upset if you point out to them that "that" was probably not at all the most rude cab-driver they ever met, and just saying what they really meant would not have made their message anymore unclear. But it would've probably made them more believable in the future, if they actually did meet the worst cabdriver of their lives.

The world and it's exaggerations seem to me to have come to a state of metaphorical 'cry wolf', where words are so overused in general that they lose their meaning. Particularly on the internet where there is nothing in-between "shit" and "amazing". Neither to the one with the opinion, nor the reader. If someone (eg. me) writes: "Well, that was a pretty average movie" - there will always be someone who by sheer force of needing to take a dump, has to interpret that as 'Oh my God! You thought that movie was shit, you bastard!' - and then follows a long line of misinterpretations ad infinitum, ad nauseam.

If you've managed to read this far, you are probably going to comment on how this was the most boring post you've ever read, and that you want a tl;dr version of it. And if you do, you are a part of the problem. Please end yourself.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 03:03    Post subject:
lol. First off - a few points.

(one) Stop thinking so much about this, you will mentally burn out- i know because I did it.

(two) We have the internet to blame for it. Abbreviated
terms, social networking, and advertisement have changed the way we communicate - its sped up, everythin is shorter, faster, to the point.

(three) we also have the advertisement industry to blame. Do you know how hard it is to do something 'new' in advertisement these days? I work in an industry where advertising is paramount difference between great success and great fail. There is no "no mans land" between.

(four) people who over-exaggerate are desperate to be heard, they want to be gratified by others because they want to fit in. If they recommend a great song to you - and they over exaggerate doing so, its probably because they want props for it rather than giving a shit if you like it or not. Again, blame the internet. Eprops n all that.

Anyway, points aside, the world is in a state of massive evolutionary speed. We have fucking mobile phones that do everything but wipe your arse, social networks that can control news channels and advertisement campaigns that are so powerful we live around them and no one has a fucking clue. in the next 20 years the world will change so much that it will have evolved technologically more in that 20 years than mankind has in over 500.

And what is the biggest force in the world today? the super powers? who has the biggest weapons? nope. The internet.

The internet is the be all, end all. Its part of life now more than ever, and will soon be 100% a necessity to function in the world. So its only natural to see LOL's getting dropped in real life; its the norm now, the status quo, the recognized. Everyones a blogger, a social network addict, an e-shopaholic, etc.

Get used to it ; and try to enjoy it.


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 03:55    Post subject:
THATS THE BIGGEST WALL OF TEXT IVE EVER SEEN!!!
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 04:22    Post subject:
wgem wrote:
(one) Stop thinking so much about this, you will mentally burn out- i know because I did it.


+1

who gives a flying fuck?


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 04:27    Post subject:
Im guessing hes a 18-19 year old antisocial type like I was at that age who spends too long in his room and the only time he aint in there is when he is seeing his girlfriend.


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 04:57    Post subject:
dominae is in his 30s so that doesn't hold.

I just imagine somewhere this will lead to a rant along the lines of 'america = teh suck'


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 05:00    Post subject:
wgem wrote:
Im guessing hes a 18-19 year old antisocial type like I was at that age who spends too long in his room and the only time he aint in there is when he is seeing his girlfriend.


Dude, George Carlin did this at 80+ - and I think I will too, I'm not showing a decline in thinking about stupid shit like this. So I think I'm doomed until my penis stops working, and then I'll be JIHAD:ing someone as a final note of sarcasm.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 05:33    Post subject:
dominae wrote:
wgem wrote:
Im guessing hes a 18-19 year old antisocial type like I was at that age who spends too long in his room and the only time he aint in there is when he is seeing his girlfriend.


Dude, George Carlin did this at 80+ - and I think I will too, I'm not showing a decline in thinking about stupid shit like this. So I think I'm doomed until my penis stops working, and then I'll be JIHAD:ing someone as a final note of sarcasm.


you're not as funny as Carlin, nor as smart. or anywhere close to either of those.


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 05:41    Post subject:
nouseforaname wrote:
you're not as funny as Carlin, nor as smart. or anywhere close to either of those.


much?
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 10:19    Post subject:
FireMaster wrote:
THATS THE BIGGEST WALL OF TEXT IVE EVER SEEN!!!
Ever heard of this other user? SycoShaman... he has larger posts, true story.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 10:21    Post subject:
dominae wrote:
wgem wrote:
Im guessing hes a 18-19 year old antisocial type like I was at that age who spends too long in his room and the only time he aint in there is when he is seeing his girlfriend.


Dude, George Carlin did this at 80+ -
eh... how can that be when he died at 71 Laughing ?
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 10:30    Post subject:
deelix wrote:
dominae wrote:
Dude, George Carlin did this at 80+ -

eh... how can that be when he died at 71 Laughing ?

dominae wrote:
Annoying exaggerations...

dominae wrote:
It seems it's the age of the unlimited exaggerations


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 11:09    Post subject:
This is what happens when people don't have real problems. They find/invent something to whine about. 'Oh woe is me, that a perfect being such as I has to be surrounded by mental midgets who don't understand my greatness'.

And speaking of exaggerations, here's another one

dominae wrote:
It seems it's the age of the unlimited exaggerations, you see them everywhere ...


And I'm not being anal, unlike you, but it's just how (normal) people express themselves. And so what if the words they use don't always accurately describe and rank the situation. Not everyone is fussy enough to go refer to a thesaurus when all they're doing is express their general state of mind. Similarly, not everyone uses '(sic!)' on a message board. Very Happy

You're becoming a stiff old fart man! You sound like that pomous twat the brits reverently call prince (can't even be bothered to capitalise it Very Happy) Charles. Wonder what your next whine will be. Oh, I know, the excessive use of apostrophes for contraction. Razz
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 12:57    Post subject:
swingman wrote:
This is what happens when people don't have real problems. They find/invent something to whine about. 'Oh woe is me, that a perfect being such as I has to be surrounded by mental midgets who don't understand my greatness'.


Have you ever considered that the issue here is with what people define as meaningful problems, obviously all your problems can orbit around "how will I pay my rent", "what should I wear to that party","should I fix my broken car or purchase a new one".

I can continue providing examples to build my point, but the real issue is how futile you are, personally I despise futile people, they live in a fairytale world completely oblivious to the reality they exist in, and subjects like polluting the planet, fixing society, perceiving the harms of politics in the core of civilization become nothing more than meaningless conversations over a cup of coffee, and subjects like the ones I exemplified above are of supreme importance.

Is this paradox of futility over rationality and sense of importance that enrages dominae and myself.


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 15:48    Post subject:
deelix wrote:
FireMaster wrote:
THATS THE BIGGEST WALL OF TEXT IVE EVER SEEN!!!
Ever heard of this other user? SycoShaman... he has larger posts, true story.


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 16:16    Post subject:
This is the biggest bullshit I've EVER read.


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No really. You can't stop people from doing this. As a kid I exaggerated way to much. And I reduced it when I grew up. Exaggerating is nothing bad. It's emotion driven so you should'nt give a rats ass about it, especially when it's obvious.


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 17:02    Post subject:
deelix wrote:
eh... how can that be when he died at 71 Laughing ?


Ahh, only 71? I must've remembered wrong. Way too soon in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 17:29    Post subject:
Ronhrin wrote:
I can continue providing examples to build my point, but the real issue is how futile you are, personally I despise futile people, they live in a fairytale world completely oblivious to the reality they exist in, and subjects like polluting the planet, fixing society, perceiving the harms of politics in the core of civilization become nothing more than meaningless conversations over a cup of coffee, and subjects like the ones I exemplified above are of supreme importance.


I give you all, without exaggeration, the longest and most meaningless sentence in this thread. You've been hanging around too long in that club of yours with Dom, AM and others. That stuff makes as much sense as one of Sarah Palin's speeches.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 17:32    Post subject:
dominae wrote:
deelix wrote:
eh... how can that be when he died at 71 Laughing ?


Ahh, only 71? I must've remembered wrong. Way too soon in my opinion.
yeah, he was slim and looked good for his age. The heart problem was probably a genetic thing.
He was on stage only days/weeks before he died.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 17:34    Post subject:
I've told you a million times, don't over-exaggerate.

Anyway, who cares, hyperbole has always been used to sell and to emphasise, get over it.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 17:41    Post subject:
swingman wrote:
This is what happens when people don't have real problems. They find/invent something to whine about. 'Oh woe is me, that a perfect being such as I has to be surrounded by mental midgets who don't understand my greatness'.


Define real problems, is it making rent, finding a new job because the job-market is in the can, is it paying bills and trying to finish your master-thesis? Is it working toward goals in life, etc. ? - Or what? Cause all these things are a part of my life (and more) and guess what? I manage to think about these things as well. As for the misconstruction of who I am, you're off the mark.

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And speaking of exaggerations, here's another one

dominae wrote:
It seems it's the age of the unlimited exaggerations, you see them everywhere ...


Yes, it's an exaggeration. And I explained it in my original post. It's not actually everywhere (as in, exactly everywhere), it is in most places, like almost every medium of communication. TV-commercials, discussions with other people, newspaper headlines, etc. - and that's no exaggeration. Perhaps you just haven't thought about it, and if you haven't - OK? So what?

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And I'm not being anal, unlike you, but it's just how (normal) people express themselves.


Yes it is, and that's what I'm questioning. It has become the norm to overstate things like these, because it's a part of society - and it makes meaningful expressions get watered out with exaggerations. Which is exactly what I'm annoyed about. And guess what? This is the bitching-section.

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And so what if the words they use don't always accurately describe and rank the situation. Not everyone is fussy enough to go refer to a thesaurus when all they're doing is express their general state of mind.


Where in the original post did I state that you need a thesaurus to express a general state of mind? You seem to be one of these people who sees everything as either 'shit' or 'awesome'. Because what I'm saying is somewhere in-between, and that seems to be a problem with everyone that "is being normal".

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Similarly, not everyone uses '(sic!)' on a message board. Very Happy


And you said you weren't a pedant? Are you in denial or something?

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You're becoming a stiff old fart man! You sound like that pomous twat the brits reverently call prince (can't even be bothered to capitalise it Very Happy) Charles. Wonder what your next whine will be. Oh, I know, the excessive use of apostrophes for contraction. Razz


You really understand nothing if this is your interpretation of my original post. Or at least you do not understand the consequences of these exaggerations. They are more a problem than (for instance) the simplification (or complication) of language [and eg. euphemisms]. The fact that people in general exaggerate about things really do water out experiences. Because when you've heard 'amazing' being said about (incoming hyperbole) watching a pavement, eating dry bread, drinking tap water, and getting a new brand of dental floss, you realize that it's really making the expression and it's general usage overly situational, and really lose it's meaning.

I'm pretty sick of the situation, because I keep bumping into these individuals, these miscreants that can't even add the simplest of nuances to express themselves. It keeps being these shadeless "the best ever" or "utter shit". And it seems like people ignore the consequences of these things, if you called the driver "a complete moron" for not having change - any emotional impact on that individual is ignored, because 'I don't need to responsible for my exaggerations, do I?'.

I suppose (just a hypothesis, don't interpret it as an extreme, please) it is in line with the current state of individualism, where everyone are so bothered to be unique that they have to scream, and exaggerate, and wear radical colours, and listen to the most loud music, and wear entire bottles of bottled suntan to be able to 'be themselves, and to be seen". Because extremes are all that matters, right? And instead we have this collective of individuals who consider themselves 'emo', because it's become a culture to 'feel bad', and 'express how bad we feel'. Or the contrast that is the pop-culture that does the exact opposite and ignores everything that is bad, goes to Ibiza and 'parties all night long'. And staring at bright or dark colours for too long really do eliminate the shades and nuances (if I'm allowed a metaphore) - doesn't it? But my point is that it also waters out meaningful communication between consistent people.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 18:32    Post subject:
dominae wrote:
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Similarly, not everyone uses '(sic!)' on a message board. Very Happy


And you said you weren't a pedant? Are you in denial or something?


Way to dig an insult out of a compliment! I was just pointing out that not everyone is grammatically precise enough to use that expression in a place where 'lol' and 'hi2u' are the norm.

As for 'consequences', what possible consequences could come from some (or as you seem to think, all) people being a little too enthousiastic/inprecise with their adjectives? That when the really awful problems come around, we won't react appropriately? It's already happening and I doubt that vagrancies in usage of superlatives has anything to do with it. It's just human nature to forget the lessons of history and learn them all over again at a higher price.

Frankly, it's not the 'decay' of language and human expression that you should be bothered about. You should be bothered by the fact that something like that bothers you.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 19:13    Post subject:
swingman wrote:

Way to dig an insult out of a compliment! I was just pointing out that not everyone is grammatically precise enough to use that expression in a place where 'lol' and 'hi2u' are the norm.


Well, since pretty much everything else you wrote was an insult, it sort of slipped along with the rest of it.

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As for 'consequences', what possible consequences could come from some (or as you seem to think, all) people being a little too enthousiastic/inprecise with their adjectives?


Either I am being imprecise, or you aren't reading what I'm typing here. This isn't at all just about the daily use of adjectives between people when they're sharing drinks at the pub. It is about a general state of exaggeration in all forms of communication. It's, as you excellently put it (paraphrazing): the current norm. And the consequences, as I said are watered out meanings. And the consequences of that (to follow the hermeneutic circle) are in my opinion pretty detrimental to society. Carlin (who some people seem to misinterpret as a general jokester) had pretty much given up on society as a whole. He thought we had turned it all to shit, and it's a sense of bafflement to me that his audience sat there and applauded and laughed at him as he told them how it is. If you've ever seen interviews from the man outside a stand-up scene, you'd know. But to some people he was only joking. To me his criticism on mankind were spot on, glaring and striking home. And he was all about criticising language, and it's (mis-)usage.

What I don't agree with Carlin on though is that it's some kind of "superpower", or "man in charge" that changes society. I personally see it as something intersocial, meaning; that the changes happen between people, people who too easily just go with the flow; and don't think about things. I think this is a part of it, people just accepting the change and not confronting it and questioning it, and possibly trying to do something to change it. As for what exaggerations do, in my opinion, is to wear out meaning - a sense of letting the water drip over and over and over again to make people less bothered in general. Because 'a catastrophy' is being used on the headlines about a shortage of donuts, at the same time it's used about a flood in South America where 250,000 people are made homeless and; in worst case, dead.

These are of course extremes (and not all that common) - but it seems I'm unable to get the message through here without using them (unfortunately) - but they stand as metonymes over what I believe is part of the problem. Because distorted communication being the norm in society, in the end, effects how we view the outside world. Just think about it, for instance how parts of the western world views the U.S. as 100% shit (I've been trying to make a point in these forums, but I failed... and people actually believe I really hate the U.S. now) - why do a lot of Europeans hate the U.S? Well, because media (which is just a small part of the issue) sells more papers/get more viewers if they exaggerate. And the people who watch the news take these exaggerations for truth, and then exaggerate to their friends. And in the end we have a culture of people hating the U.S. It's pretty much the same thing that has happened with Islam. But things like these keep on floating by people, because they don't think about this shit.

Because let's face it, docile servant dogs are useful tools. Why the hell people would want to make themselves into such goes above my comprehension.


Below I think you really live up to what I'm saying:
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That when the really awful problems come around, we won't react appropriately? It's already happening and I doubt that vagrancies in usage of superlatives has anything to do with it. It's just human nature to forget the lessons of history and learn them all over again at a higher price.


Way to take away the action of man, and giving up. It does somehow sound as if you, even if on some remote level, agree with me. But think it's all "the nature of man" and that whatever happens, happens. It's a very resigned way of reasoning. I think if we don't do what the church wanted us to do in the past centuries, and actually use our thinking apparatuses, we can change. But I think we have to stop taking for granted that there is going to be an idol (president, king, priest, or whatever) that makes the change for us. We have to do it ourselves.

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Frankly, it's not the 'decay' of language and human expression that you should be bothered about. You should be bothered by the fact that something like that bothers you.


No, I should definitely not. I should keep questioning things, keep om bothering. Because resistance is not futile. And fuck if I'll be assimilated into this "norm".


I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 19:15    Post subject:
swingman wrote:
Ronhrin wrote:
I can continue providing examples to build my point, but the real issue is how futile you are, personally I despise futile people, they live in a fairytale world completely oblivious to the reality they exist in, and subjects like polluting the planet, fixing society, perceiving the harms of politics in the core of civilization become nothing more than meaningless conversations over a cup of coffee, and subjects like the ones I exemplified above are of supreme importance.


I give you all, without exaggeration, the longest and most meaningless sentence in this thread. You've been hanging around too long in that club of yours with Dom, AM and others. That stuff makes as much sense as one of Sarah Palin's speeches.


It is my sincere opinion that first you should learn to read a sentence, instead of simply flashing your eyes through some letters, either that or you should begin to comprehend what you read.

I believe you provided a perfect example of what dominae tried to say in the OP with that comparison between Sarah Palin and myself.


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 19:56    Post subject:
dominae wrote:
I should keep questioning things, keep om bothering. Because resistance is not futile. And fuck if I'll be assimilated into this "norm".


All this really does bother you a lot. Well it wasn't invented yesterday and it's not going away anytime soon. People have always used (mis)communication to get their message heard above others or to further their own agenda. Good for you if you don't believe everything you hear/see but there will be many more who swallow it all, as presented. Although, I am curious as to what form your resistance will take. Because like it or not, you're a part of this multitude as well. And unless you create a counter-stream equal or greater in magnitude to popular opinion, you will just get drowned out in the noise.

Ronhrin wrote:
I believe you provided a perfect example of what dominae tried to say in the OP with that comparison between Sarah Palin and myself.


I was just saying that your reply came across as disjointed ramblings and I don't think I was exaggerating in my comparison. You can take my inability to make sense of that post in two directions. Either I am too stupid to understand or you were unable to get your point across.
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Aug 2009 20:23    Post subject:
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Either I am too stupid to understand or you were unable to get your point across.


Well, I'm going with the first, but I'm willing to change my opinion if every other intervinient in this thread were also unable to comprehend the reply in question.


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How sure are you that what you live is indeed the reality and everything else is a fairytale ?

How can you think about fixing society and despise futile people in the same time? Let's say swingman is futile, how will you help him if you despise him? Or by fixing society you meant fixing only a part of it? Only the blonde-haired blue eyed ?^

And how sure are you about when is the time to let your brother know he's wrong and when is the time to mind your own business?

Yes, it's true, not everyone is capable of dealing with the things that seem to be the most important, we collapse, we build fantasy worlds so we can be pseudokings.

Having the eyes to see this means what ? when you lack the tools or the solution ?..


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Playing Guild Wars for such amount of time is just madness tho Neutral Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue, 4th Aug 2009 19:00    Post subject:
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when what you actually felt was a 2-volt shocked apathy - it seems to me that the culture of commercials really has turned the application of linguistics to the average man into nonsense.


Completely true.

I've been noticing it to man. Not so much on TV (could care less...its TV...everything is 'groundbreaking' and shit) but with people. Nothing but exaggeration and embellishment. If a story isn't good enough to tell the way it is, don't fucking bother you know?
Maybe thats simplistic but fuck...true imo none the less.


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