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LeoNatan
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 Posted: Mon, 18th Aug 2014 23:00 Post subject: Germany: Lunux Suxx0rz, Vindos Ãœber |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Aug 2014 23:08 Post subject: |
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Nice Fox News headline 
It's not all of Germany, it's just Munich who made the switch entirely 
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Aug 2014 23:15 Post subject: |
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Well, MS does make it easy to link together mail, calendar and contact information so that's always a plus there.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Aug 2014 23:19 Post subject: |
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| Prefetian wrote: | | Well, MS does make it easy to link together mail, calendar and contact information so that's always a plus there. |
also support contracts are much cheaper. don't know why they even switched to linux.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Aug 2014 23:25 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | Nice Fox News headline |
What's the difference?  You can't explain that. |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Aug 2014 23:27 Post subject: |
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Statistics work different in Europe! |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Aug 2014 23:34 Post subject: |
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europeistheworstcountryinafrica.jpg
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2014 01:21 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Microsoft announced last year that it was moving its German headquarters to Munich. This move is planned to take place in 2016. While Reiter was involved in the deal that precipitated the move and describes himself as a "Microsoft fan," he says the criticism of LiMux is unrelated. |
Clearly. |
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Aug 2014 05:56 Post subject: I have left. |
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Aug 2014 14:12 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | There's only been one small problem: users aren't happy with the software, and the government isn't happy with the price. |
the common resistance to change.... the average joe is like monkey
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Aug 2014 15:54 Post subject: |
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Yes, people usually resist crap.
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Aug 2014 16:10 Post subject: |
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well, empirical studies proved the opposite
if you avoid linux in the name and put a billion dollar marketing machine behind it, android is easily adopted by the average joe. it says it all honestly...
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Aug 2014 16:26 Post subject: I have left. |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Aug 2014 16:59 Post subject: |
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I guess you didn't bother to look where that 25% comes from. It's mostly from enterprises which have lazy admins and IT departments. Same reason IE6 was still "popular" up until not long ago, and IE7 still is.
And still, XP can run Office 2010 and Photoshop CS6, connect properly to Exchange and look consistent in software. What can Linux run? Libre? Gimp? Don't forget to compile the kernel to get the plugin for Gimp to work.
| skx7 wrote: | | if you avoid linux in the name and put a billion dollar marketing machine behind it, android is easily adopted by the average joe. it says it all honestly... |
That "Linux" has been built from the ground up with the sole purpose of hiding the ugly, something Ubuntu and others have attempted and failed to do for a very long time. The reasoning for this is simple; any attempt to hide the terrible user interface and UX with a more modern facade has been met with an "outrage" by a ridiculous community that will see 7264087123460278394 different forks exist rather than create any consistency. As an example, Elementary OS is on the right path - it attempts to bring a coherence, an actual visual design, consistency between apps, greatly improve usability. And it is hated on on a regular basis by idiots at communities such as SlashDot, HN, etc., that see it as too "mainstream" and away from their retarded notion that Linux needs to be stuck in the 80s or 90s in usability. Assholes like Linus and nutjobs like RMS have held it down for decades by stupid idealism that nobody cares about, while holding down usability and progress.
Android is the most successful Linux distribution out there, there is no denying that, and it took a huge company billions to hide the ugly side of Linux, and strip all but the deepest internals, and replace it with something a simple consumer can use without having to sift through retarded amounts of forums and copypasta cli commands. It is my opinion that Google has not done enough, or rather, has not enforced consistency, and the userbase being the clueless that it is, has not demanded consistency across the software. But there is no denying that Android is, with all its shortcomings, the most user friendly Linux distribution.
A distinction between the Linux kernel and "Linux" as an OS has to be made. In this post, by "Linux" I meant a distribution, not just the kernel. There are things to say about the kernel as well and how it compares to other kernels, such as the NT kernel, but that isn't really of much importance to Joe Schmoe Consumer.
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Aug 2014 17:20 Post subject: I have left. |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Aug 2014 19:50 Post subject: |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Aug 2014 20:34 Post subject: |
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Why even bother Leo?
He's made it clear ages ago that if anyone is ignorant, it's him, with his inability to admit that other operating systems might actually do some things better.
When it comes to the kernels....eh. NT and Linux are both great, they could learn lots from each other even now, although I must admit that Linux is the better performing one on most fronts. XNU could learn from both though
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Aug 2014 20:47 Post subject: |
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The battle of the kernels has really become nigh irrelevant. They're all good enough. Apple, with its hardware vertical integration, has focused on what matters to it, and it's good enough for these purposes. Kernels have not been an issue for ages. What matters now is the user interface and user experience, and this is where "Linux" suffers and is thoroughly defeated by both Windows and OS X. Sales figures speak for themselves. Bringing Android as a counter argument makes no sense, as it proves my point exactly.
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Aug 2014 21:02 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Sales figures speak for themselves. |
Huh? 
Most Linux distros are free, unless they're enterprise or custom. |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Aug 2014 21:14 Post subject: |
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The fact that both Windows and OS X sell speaks how much the "free" is irrelevant for most people. You might try the usual "Linux Desktop" zealot argument of "These OSes come with the hardware, so people have no clue what they're getting", but that's bull. Every "alternative" laptop configuration where Linux can be used instead of Windows has failed to sell, even when it comes cheaper than the analogous Windows configuration. People still get the more expensive one, rather than go with Linux.
The only "Linux" to sell "well" in the laptop space is Chrome OS, through the Chromebook line of laptops, but since they are more akin to Android and iOS tablets, they don't really compete with traditional laptops in my eyes.
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Aug 2014 21:56 Post subject: |
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the fact why Microsoft dominates the desktop environment is solely because of the fact that eduction only used Microsoft software for years. people use what they are used to use. not everybody is adventurous to try new unknown software. sales figures of user stats mean nothing as long as education is not liberated from proprietary software.
compare it with banks trying to increase their youth client base. teenagers have almost no money to invest but banks want to make them used to their brand as the chance they will move to another later in time is almost non existent. 80% of society does not think when making choices in life... it's a fact!
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Aug 2014 23:39 Post subject: |
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Wtf are you talking about, if there was a free and better alternative to Windows within a few years it would be filthy popular. Everyone hates Microsoft it seems.
Do you think we are all brain-washed Windows fanboys? That we haven't tried that half-working, fiddly inconsistent and super-fractured OS stuck in the 90s?
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 30th Aug 2014 23:42 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | Wtf are you talking about, if there was a free and better alternative to Windows within a few years it would be filthy popular. Everyone hates Microsoft it seems.
Do you think we are all brain-washed Windows fanboys? That we haven't tried that half-working, fiddly inconsistent and super-fractured OS stuck in the 90s? |
You are stuck in the proprietary mentality  |
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| Posted: Sun, 31st Aug 2014 18:58 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | The fact that both Windows and OS X sell speaks how much the "free" is irrelevant for most people. You might try the usual "Linux Desktop" zealot argument of "These OSes come with the hardware, so people have no clue what they're getting", but that's bull. Every "alternative" laptop configuration where Linux can be used instead of Windows has failed to sell, even when it comes cheaper than the analogous Windows configuration. People still get the more expensive one, rather than go with Linux.
The only "Linux" to sell "well" in the laptop space is Chrome OS, through the Chromebook line of laptops, but since they are more akin to Android and iOS tablets, they don't really compete with traditional laptops in my eyes. |
If we're talking about end-user sales than one of the reasons is that people just stick with what they know, mainly Windows. And the reason why Macs have sold so well is in partly because of marketing and partly because it's aesthetically pleasing.
The only reason I'm still on Windows is because I can play video games AND because I know it better than any Linux distro.
Personally there are things that I find amazing with Linux distributions, such as customization. And things I'm not so fond of is that if you're not careful you can fuck up the whole OS by randomly changing stuff (even tho it's mostly locked down with SU).
So getting your average Joe to switch from Windows to let's say Linux is a hard sell and unless you have deep pockets like Apple does then marketing maybe isn't your main focus.
Let's not forget, just because something sells more doesn't make it better (doesn't automatically make it shit either) or else Call of Duty would be the best game in the world.  |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Sep 2014 17:43 Post subject: |
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| skx7 wrote: | | Prefetian wrote: | | Personally there are things that I find amazing with Linux distributions, such as customization. And things I'm not so fond of is that if you're not careful you can fuck up the whole OS by randomly changing stuff (even tho it's mostly locked down with SU). |
| Prefetian wrote: | | Personally there are things that I find amazing with Mercedes cars, such as AMG customization. And things I'm not so fond of is that if you're not careful you can fuck up the whole car by randomly changing stuff (even tho it's mostly locked down). |
wtf are you trying to say? i don't know shit about it so... yeah, it's a piece of shit os? each linux topic demonstrates that the hate always comes from people who do not know gnu\linux (some however pretend to be linux god) and blame gnu\linux to suck as they do not know shit about it |
Where did you get that from my statement, that's it's a PoS operating system?
And yes, if someone is not careful and just start installing and fiddling around randomly on Linux it can fuck the whole OS up (yes, I know that you can manually fix it but that's IF you know what you're doing).
But thank you for repeating what I said and then throwing in some insults, bravo. |
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