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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 20:44    Post subject: OS X Yosemite [R]
While excited about iOS8, not sure about this. Let's install and take a look.


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 20:51    Post subject:
I'm not excited one bit.

Lots of useless shit, very little focus on fixing its core. Also lots of shit that's been done before and people have been using other apps for for years.
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 21:05    Post subject:
You care about features no one else cares about.
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 21:28    Post subject:
Oh fuck off Smile

Its disk scheduler is something everyone should care about, it's still the #1 cause of slowdowns. And yes, Macs do get them, frequently - even our project managers have this shit, and they don't run any websites..well, all but one of them Razz

It's also still infested with terrible builds of all kinds of OSS that so many people hate, yet little do they realise (as you did until I told you) that OS X ships with all of it. If they want to ship installations of Apache, Courier, Postfix, PHP, Ruby, Python, Perl (just a tiny selection - all of these are inherently present on Macs, as they are on a lot of UNIX-like systems) they should also set up a fucking packaging system that allows easy updating them. In fact, this is the only time where I'd support Apple buying out one of the existing solutions, because it would fix so many headaches for people who do use Macs, but not just to live within Apple's own ecosystem. Homebrew to some extent, but Macports in particular would be fucking perfect. Brew works around Apple's shit but still manages to make it possible to easily add a lot of common packages that would otherwise be a pain. Macports replaces Apple's shit with consistent packages, consistent structures and interoperability, whilst still allowing multiple versions. Both of them are easily on par with Aptitude or Yum in terms of flexibility and like I said, would fix many of the headaches one has to deal with as a non-iOS/OS X developer on a Mac.

And then there is the multi display support, which is still not fully functional. While they may do scaling better than MS do, MS and every single Linux distro I've ever worked with have had multiple display support sorted for a decade.


But please, give me more widgets in the notification center, which all of my colleagues (even the ones who don't know anything but Apple) and myself don't use. Give us more of that please, we want it Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 21:53    Post subject:
On my macs, multi-monitor works fine. There are bugs, but they are software related, not OS.

OSS = blablabla
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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2014 22:08    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
On my macs, multi-monitor works fine. There are bugs, but they are software related, not OS.

What? How is not a single window remembering what monitor it was left on a software bug? Wink

That's aside from the abysmal resolution and refreshrate support for example.

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OSS = blablabla

Blablabla it all you want, fact remains that Apple still relies on much the same shit every UNIX-like OS (and I will keep referring to them like that, as this applies to the popular BSD implementations as much as it does to the popular Linux distros) relies on. But in typical Apple fashion, with 0 respect to the software itself, or the developers behind them.

And without that OSS, the OS you've fallen in love with would not function for shit Smile
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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Jun 2014 08:02    Post subject:
The new Finder icon. Laughing Crying or Very sad


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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 10:45    Post subject:
You on the beta yet Leo? Is it stable?

Mavericks is starting to piss me off more and more. Now my Finder crashes every 60 seconds; none of the known causes helped me resolve it. Nothing useful in the logs other than a segmentation fault. Known causes are things that plug into Finder like Dropbox, Google Drive. Or having an external ExFAT drive which makes Spotlight choke unless you add a .metadata_no_index file to it..so it doesn't index it

Also had it boot into safe mode twice in the last week, completely out of the blue. Opera and Chrome randomly crash. Random things like that. These started happening with 1.9.4 (mid-2012 MBP, non-retina) so I suspect they fucked something up in that one.

And then there's the things that probably haven't been fixed in Yosemite anyway. Like the shit multi-monitor support still annoys me (doesn't even remember what monitor you leave an application on). Or more importantly, the ridiculously bad way OS X handles external drives; it goes to sleep, but doesn't unmount drives without weird tricks, nor does it remount them when you wake the damn thing up. After that it takes anywhere from one to twenty attempts at unplugging/replugging before it deems the partition mountable again. Trying to eject the entire disk when it's in this state only throws an error. I might just move to network storage instead of an external drive, because this really gets on my nerves.
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 11:44    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
Or more importantly, the ridiculously bad way OS X handles external drives; it goes to sleep, but doesn't unmount drives without weird tricks, nor does it remount them when you wake the damn thing up. After that it takes anywhere from one to twenty attempts at unplugging/replugging before it deems the partition mountable again. Trying to eject the entire disk when it's in this state only throws an error. I might just move to network storage instead of an external drive, because this really gets on my nerves.


In such cases try mounting drive via Disk Utility. Works for me all the time.


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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 12:00    Post subject:
WhiteBarbarian wrote:
In such cases try mounting drive via Disk Utility. Works for me all the time.

Nope. Not once. Of course that was the first thing I tried. It locks up entirely, stays like that for 60 seconds (timeout) after which it goes "can't mount, repair disk!". Verify will tell you the disk is damaged, repair disk will say it can't repair and that's that.

The disk itself is fine besides that though. Even if it is damaged in any way, it's only because of the OS itself.
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PostPosted: Mon, 18th Aug 2014 22:57    Post subject:
Beta 6 is out. Starting to get better.

@Paul Just saw your question. I have dual boot on my Mac, but find myself in Yosemite more and more. But not ready yet.
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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Sep 2014 21:12    Post subject:
GM seed is out.
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Oct 2014 01:11    Post subject:
I'm waiting for a few days cuz last year Apple tricked out with GM2, and they did the same with iOS 4.2.1 so I'm not sure anymore.


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Oct 2014 20:26    Post subject:
Have actually been very surprised with Yosemite. Runs much better on my old 2008 MB Pro than mavericks ever did. Cooler and quieter too. Aesthetically I'm used to it now too.
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Oct 2014 22:55    Post subject:
cyclonefr wrote:
I'm waiting for a few days cuz last year Apple tricked out with GM2, and they did the same with iOS 4.2.1 so I'm not sure anymore.

GM 2 seed out.
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PostPosted: Wed, 8th Oct 2014 12:41    Post subject:
apple lolllllllllllllllllllllllllll


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PostPosted: Wed, 8th Oct 2014 13:08    Post subject:
speedgear wrote:
apple lolllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Durrp

These are GM release candidates.
Do you know what a release candidate is "lollllllll"? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed, 8th Oct 2014 13:31    Post subject:
So is there any ETA on an actual release for this? I want to take calls on my macbook air Mad


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PostPosted: Wed, 8th Oct 2014 13:41    Post subject:
tw1st wrote:
So is there any ETA on an actual release for this? I want to take calls on my macbook air Mad

October 21, or install the public beta now. It's stable enough.
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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Oct 2014 21:54    Post subject:
It's actually for today Wink


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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Oct 2014 22:50    Post subject:
I'll wait for a bit before I install it Razz
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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Oct 2014 22:59    Post subject:
Quite an irony that OS X Y is a lot more stable and consistent than iOS 8.1 even. Laughing Especially considering the state of the early derpeloper previews...
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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Oct 2014 23:09    Post subject:
Well that remains to be seen still, it's often not until a few weeks after release when you see people with specific models starting to have issue due to a firmware mismatch or other nonsense like that. Especially considering the fact that I'm on the last non-retina model, I don't want to jump the gun on this one Razz
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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Oct 2014 23:45    Post subject:
it's up on MAS btw, for everyone.


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PostPosted: Fri, 17th Oct 2014 11:09    Post subject:
People are reporting that some applications are consuming far more resources now. Might be related to their specific setup though, because not everyone with the same applications says the same.
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