[Android] Buying Tablet
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mtj




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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Feb 2014 08:45    Post subject: [Android] Buying Tablet
O hai!

I'll be going tablet shopping today. Got any suggestions?

It's going to be an android. I'll be using it 2-3 hours a day (using it on the way to work and back) + random toilet visits + random usage. I intend to do some gaming with it (not replacing laptops or anything, but I'd enjoy the latest Final Fantasies and such).

It has to be fast. It needs to support 3g/4g connections, It needs a minimum of FHD resolution, more is even better.

Price should be < 700€

So, suggestions guises!?
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Feb 2014 08:47    Post subject:
Can't go wrong with Nexus 7 2013 32GB LTE model.
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Feb 2014 09:00    Post subject:
rgb#000 wrote:
Can't go wrong with Nexus 7 2013 32GB LTE model.


Yea, seems to be quite common suggestion.

Also leaning towards it, I've only read that the hardware in it is already quite old. As the newer generation has already over 2Ghz quad cores and 3GB Ram

For example Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition LTE. However, I've read that the Samsung stock apps are SO BAD that they make the tablet extremely sluggish to use. Even the latest edition.
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Feb 2014 09:17    Post subject:
N7 2013 runs all games maxed out without breaking a sweat, is that not enough power somehow?
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Feb 2014 10:03    Post subject:
I use Samsung Note 10.1" and it's brilliant. Especially the pen gives it much more variety compared to other tablets. Multiwindowed view is also something that I use a lot and couldn't go without. Battery duration is good.

Stock apps are usable and you can always use alternative options. Note is an exceptionally useful app.


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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Feb 2014 12:56    Post subject:
I too have the old Galaxy Note 10.1.
While using it for my studies it served me very well for that purpose. I wanted to replace it with the 2014 version. But like mentioned it runs like shit. Even the LTE version with the Snapdragon has still some problems.
Sadly, there are somehow nearly none alternatives on the Android market with a Stylus Mad

Some recommendations:
Sony Xperia Tablet Z
Nexus 7 / 10
Asus Transformer Pad TF701T
Asus MeMo Pad Full HD10


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mtj




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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Feb 2014 13:51    Post subject:
Bob Barnsen wrote:
I too have the old Galaxy Note 10.1.
While using it for my studies it served me very well for that purpose. I wanted to replace it with the 2014 version. But like mentioned it runs like shit. Even the LTE version with the Snapdragon has still some problems.
Sadly, there are somehow nearly none alternatives on the Android market with a Stylus Mad

Some recommendations:
Sony Xperia Tablet Z
Nexus 7 / 10
Asus Transformer Pad TF701T
Asus MeMo Pad Full HD10


Luckily my local Saturn should have both, Nexus 7 and new Samsung galaxy note 10.1 LTE in stock so I hope I get to try them both. ( too bad can't install some graphics heavy game on them to see how they perform Razz )
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Feb 2014 14:23    Post subject:
Bob Barnsen wrote:
I too have the old Galaxy Note 10.1.
While using it for my studies it served me very well for that purpose. I wanted to replace it with the 2014 version. But like mentioned it runs like shit.


What exactly would be better in the new version? I haven't even thought about upgrading so I don't know the new specs. The stylus solution is irreplaceable.


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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Feb 2014 14:29    Post subject:
RatKing wrote:
Bob Barnsen wrote:
I too have the old Galaxy Note 10.1.
While using it for my studies it served me very well for that purpose. I wanted to replace it with the 2014 version. But like mentioned it runs like shit.


What exactly would be better in the new version? I haven't even thought about upgrading so I don't know the new specs. The stylus solution is irreplaceable.


Processor is much better, 2.2 or 2.3 GHz quad core and really high resolution (2600x1500? something like that). (This is the LTE version, the non LTE version has 1.9Ghz Octocore, 1.9x4 and 1.3x4. However especially the non LTE one seems to suffer from weird slowdowns. I don't know if the LTE one performs same as I haven't really found reviews for it).
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Feb 2014 14:52    Post subject:
Hmm, I don't see the need to upgrade solely for a better processor. Note 10.1" already operates really smoothly. How would you use the extra processing power? It's a goddamn tablet.


Maybe I'll try sniffing some info on it.


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Sony Xperia Tablet Z. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy




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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Feb 2014 15:20    Post subject:
Nexus 10.

Love mine, lovely screen Smile
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Feb 2014 15:29    Post subject:
well tablets are like PCs so here is my guide for buying a tablet :

  • 1. check the CPU dual core or quadrocore , and the MHz , in some cases lower MHZ does not mean bad when it has 4cores and is better then others

    1 / 1,2 / 1,5 ghz on a 4core is OK
    2ghz on a 4 core is a over kill for the battery

    you can easy overclock cpus to give you that extra 250-500 mhz
    and it depends on they generation ARMv7 or 5

  • 2. GPU ... thats right GPU your cpu does not mean a shit when the gpu is crap... they have MP2 or MP4 , it means 2 or 4 cores

    Mali 400 - stay the fuck away from it
    PowerVr - the instant winner if you want a tablet that can run all things , a tidbit PowerVr SGX543 Mp4 is used in Sony Vita and Iphones
    Tega - a over priced gpu from ... Nvida that does the Nvidia hot shit things like they did with PC and its ONLY WE CAN DO REAL PHYSICS ... but this time they go with we can only do PIXEL SHADER 3.0/2.0 on Phones.... in special versions that only run on TERGA GPUs.... psss don't tell them that all games of them got hacked and can run with the same shit on PowerVR Laughing

    so go with TEGRA 2 or 3 ... tablets that are over priced in what are in them Laughing
    or with PowerVr SGX543 Mp2/4 or SGX544 Mp2 the renegade the Ati like gpu that can run the same things that TEGRA does , even Sony and Apple know it

  • 3. Screen and what internal resolution its got ... to make it clear a screen that displays 4k with a gpu Mali and some crappy arm6 with 1ghz .... in 7" or 10" does not fucking make sense when a simple 3d game will choke ... Laughing and to add that tablet is aslo overpriced because of that screen resolution

    when a tablet that is 7" go with 1024x554 , if its 10" go with something 720p [1280x720]
    further then that is fucking point less ... don't be a that TWAT that will say he needs 4k or 1080p on his phone/table to see 4k video Laughing that have a 7" screen

  • 4. RAM ... dont go with 512ram right now 1gig is fine 2 gigs are now pointless...but if your a person that needs 20 aps running at the same time , then go with 2 gigs of ram ... even the most power hungry game only need 1gig , and only use 400mb or 600mb

  • 5.Space on this table is Scared !!! a 8gb Android tablet will only give you 6gb room! [1 gig is taken for internal , 500mb is taken for virtual ram and 500ram for system]... check first !!!! what internal space you get 512mb [your FUCKED ] / 1gig [ok but you will hack it to 1,5 or 2 gig]/ 2gig [ ]

    so then you have to buy a SD with 32gb with read speed 33mb/s , recommend Sanddisk Ultra 32gig

    so you can go with 1gig internal but then you will look for repacked APKs , because Android is made retarded like this , that is moves APKs in the internal space when it installs them and the rest of the data is then moved on the SD or some other medium , some APKS can go 300mb or even 600/800mb then you need to search for repacked versions

    this awful APK sizes are done for two reasons DRM... internal space DRM but well you can Fuck it up and run those games any way if you know how...

    there are so many programs out there to fix this error from Virtual Disc : Direct Bind , to thers that can fix this...

    so you can pick one with 1gig but it will be a hassle to run some things when you have to many stuff on your tablet , so pick one with 16gb of nand space

    and that SD with 32gb is a must .... trust me on this , when some games are from 2 to 6gigs

  • 6. RECHARGING Power or how you charge it .... most of the people with say USB is the way to go ... but try to charge this thing when you also have a keyboard in it HA... a charger or USB is your choice

  • 7. USB OTG aka on the go Usb , is its possibility to plug this tablet into a PC devices .... mouse or even a external HDD , not kidding

    so a tablet needs it if you want it to be your linux tablet PC
    but in all seriousness OTG is the way to go

  • 8. Bluetooth that is build in... is a must when you want to play with a pad , or have to plug it into other devices speakers , keyboard and other things
    yeah yeah i know you can plug a external BT transmitter antenna if your tablet does not have one and the device will also work .... but if your tablet has a i USB ... then well its your choice

    i prefer build in

  • 9. Battery ... on normal conditions a tablet will run 5 - 6 h to 10h ... just like a hand held gaming system ... some tablets have a Keyboard add On that has a external battery build in so your tablet time will be double , there are also add-on that will charge your tablet externally like SOLAR PANELS , there are even external batteries ...

    but like it was said before they all will take a extra slot in your tablet if you have then plug in constant ... a USB or the Charger slot [some tablet dont have the charger hole only a USB charger]

  • 10.Speaker , sound ... two speakers or one or a headphone jack ... your choice and it depends on what you do

  • 11.HDMI port ... your choice because you can also display the image also tough USB signal


and thats about it those are the main specifications you need to look when you buy a tablet

so something that has 4core cpu , a Pover vr with 8gb[preferred 16gb ] internal space with 1gig ram [or 2 gigs if you will run any apps in the background] with a build in bluetooth , with a USB that has OTG... and a screen that has a reasonable resolution to the capabilities of the CPU/GPU ... and something that can be charged tough a charger then USB ...

other then that Guerrilla glass and other crap well it depends on you , but you have to add to the price of that tablet also the price of a SD ... or some other gizmo [external battery , keyboard etc..]


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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Feb 2014 15:44    Post subject:
Hfric wrote:
well tablets are like PCs so here is my guide for buying a tablet :

  • 1. check the CPU dual core or quadrocore , and the MHz , in some cases lower MHZ does not mean bad when it has 4cores and is better then others

    1 / 1,2 / 1,5 ghz on a 4core is OK
    2ghz on a 4 core is a over kill for the battery

    you can easy overclock cpus to give you that extra 250-500 mhz
    and it depends on they generation ARMv7 or 5

  • 2. GPU ... thats right GPU your cpu does not mean a shit when the gpu is crap... they have MP2 or MP4 , it means 2 or 4 cores

    Mali 400 - stay the fuck away from it
    PowerVr - the instant winner if you want a tablet that can run all things , a tidbit PowerVr SGX543 Mp4 is used in Sony Vita and Iphones
    Tega - a over priced gpu from ... Nvida that does the Nvidia hot shit things like they did with PC and its ONLY WE CAN DO REAL PHYSICS ... but this time they go with we can only do PIXEL SHADER 3.0/2.0 on Phones.... in special versions that only run on TERGA GPUs.... psss don't tell them that all games of them got hacked and can run with the same shit on PowerVR Laughing

    so go with TEGRA 2 or 3 ... tablets that are over priced in what are in them Laughing
    or with PowerVr SGX543 Mp2/4 or SGX544 Mp2 the renegade the Ati like gpu that can run the same things that TEGRA does , even Sony and Apple know it

  • 3. Screen and what internal resolution its got ... to make it clear a screen that displays 4k with a gpu Mali and some crappy arm6 with 1ghz .... in 7" or 10" does not fucking make sense when a simple 3d game will choke ... Laughing and to add that tablet is aslo overpriced because of that screen resolution

    when a tablet that is 7" go with 1024x554 , if its 10" go with something 720p [1280x720]
    further then that is fucking point less ... don't be a that TWAT that will say he needs 4k or 1080p on his phone/table to see 4k video Laughing that have a 7" screen

  • 4. RAM ... dont go with 512ram right now 1gig is fine 2 gigs are now pointless...but if your a person that needs 20 aps running at the same time , then go with 2 gigs of ram ... even the most power hungry game only need 1gig , and only use 400mb or 600mb

  • 5.Space on this table is Scared !!! a 8gb Android tablet will only give you 6gb room! [1 gig is taken for internal , 500mb is taken for virtual ram and 500ram for system]... check first !!!! what internal space you get 512mb [your FUCKED ] / 1gig [ok but you will hack it to 1,5 or 2 gig]/ 2gig [ ]

    so then you have to buy a SD with 32gb with read speed 33mb/s , recommend Sanddisk Ultra 32gig

    so you can go with 1gig internal but then you will look for repacked APKs , because Android is made retarded like this , that is moves APKs in the internal space when it installs them and the rest of the data is then moved on the SD or some other medium , some APKS can go 300mb or even 600/800mb then you need to search for repacked versions

    this awful APK sizes are done for two reasons DRM... internal space DRM but well you can Fuck it up and run those games any way if you know how...

    there are so many programs out there to fix this error from Virtual Disc : Direct Bind , to thers that can fix this...

    so you can pick one with 1gig but it will be a hassle to run some things when you have to many stuff on your tablet , so pick one with 16gb of nand space

    and that SD with 32gb is a must .... trust me on this , when some games are from 2 to 6gigs

  • 6. RECHARGING Power or how you charge it .... most of the people with say USB is the way to go ... but try to charge this thing when you also have a keyboard in it HA... a charger or USB is your choice

  • 7. USB OTG aka on the go Usb , is its possibility to plug this tablet into a PC devices .... mouse or even a external HDD , not kidding

    so a tablet needs it if you want it to be your linux tablet PC
    but in all seriousness OTG is the way to go

  • 8. Bluetooth that is build in... is a must when you want to play with a pad , or have to plug it into other devices speakers , keyboard and other things
    yeah yeah i know you can plug a external BT transmitter antenna if your tablet does not have one and the device will also work .... but if your tablet has a i USB ... then well its your choice

    i prefer build in

  • 9. Battery ... on normal conditions a tablet will run 5 - 6 h to 10h ... just like a hand held gaming system ... some tablets have a Keyboard add On that has a external battery build in so your tablet time will be double , there are also add-on that will charge your tablet externally like SOLAR PANELS , there are even external batteries ...

    but like it was said before they all will take a extra slot in your tablet if you have then plug in constant ... a USB or the Charger slot [some tablet dont have the charger hole only a USB charger]

  • 10.Speaker , sound ... two speakers or one or a headphone jack ... your choice and it depends on what you do

  • 11.HDMI port ... your choice because you can also display the image also tough USB signal


and thats about it those are the main specifications you need to look when you buy a tablet

so something that has 4core cpu , a Pover vr with 8gb[preferred 16gb ] internal space with 1gig ram [or 2 gigs if you will run any apps in the background] with a build in bluetooth , with a USB that has OTG... and a screen that has a reasonable resolution to the capabilities of the CPU/GPU ... and something that can be charged tough a charger then USB ...

other then that Guerrilla glass and other crap well it depends on you , but you have to add to the price of that tablet also the price of a SD ... or some other gizmo [external battery , keyboard etc..]


Thanks for the exhaustive article!
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Feb 2014 16:01    Post subject:
LOL
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_10_1_n8000-4573.php
dont get a NOTE it has a crappy Mali-400MP ... for emulation and 3d game its CRAP

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_google_nexus_10_p8110-5084.php
Nexus 10 with its Dual-core 1.7 GHz Cortex-A15 and GPU Mali-T604 is ok


Przepraszam wrote:
Sony Xperia Z. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

it has 1.5 GHz Qualcomm APQ8064+MDM9215M Quad Core and a GPU Adreno 320 ... meh if you ask me Adreno always struggled

Asus Transformer Pad TF701T
http://www.gsmarena.com/asus_transformer_pad_tf701t-5493.php
is one of those tablets that also have a Keyboard docking station with a external battery that can double your battery GAMING making a semi laptop and has aGPU TEGRA 4 with Quad-core 1.9 GHz Cortex-A15

i would pick something Asus Transformer Pad TF701T or Nexus 10 .... that where suggested

Asus Transformer Pad TF701T for performance TEGRA 4, external battery in keyboard
Nexus 10 for performance of improved mali




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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Feb 2014 16:03    Post subject:
@Hfric
Dang, that was informative. Cheers, mate.


The only downside on Note 10.1" I can muster is the lack of USB.

I find 2 gigs of ram to be really useful when I've compared to my friends' tablets that only have 1 gig. Doesn't freeze on anything no matter how much you stress it with multiple apps. On paper it doesn't sound like that big of a deal but it is. In the end little details like the multi-window mode makes the difference.


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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Feb 2014 16:15    Post subject:
forgot to add a info about Camera in that tablet , Wifi or 3G and build in Microphone


well go with Wifi ...or 3G if your a gold mine and the cell comany give you net for free Laughing

Camera, well i have a real camera for that ... dont be that twat that uses his tablet as a camera, but well its a added extra

GPS , Geo Locaction... you need a gaming tablet or a survival kit ? ask yourself that

Microphone ... it helps also its recommended when you play emulated Nintendo Ds/GBA games some need it Laughing


and thats about all from my side ... if want to know about games or other stuff just pm me , if i have the time i will answer

also see my topic about tablet android games
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=96789


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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Feb 2014 20:06    Post subject:
Bought Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 LTE edition.

649€ + another 49 for the branded case Razz

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_10_1_(2014_edition)-5677.php


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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2014 00:44    Post subject:
then welcome to the world of Snapdragon Adreno 330 (LTE model) lag effect Laughing , some game will choke but you can lower your internal resolution in developer settings ...
http://www.androidcentral.com/how-enable-developer-settings-android-42


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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2014 07:32    Post subject:
Hfric wrote:
then welcome to the world of Snapdragon Adreno 330 (LTE model) lag effect Laughing , some game will choke but you can lower your internal resolution in developer settings ...
http://www.androidcentral.com/how-enable-developer-settings-android-42


I considered the Nexus 7 for quite a while, but it looked so time. Not much bigger than my phone. And on the phone reading new is pain in the ass.
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2014 10:00    Post subject:
So, basically you just ignored the advice given, lol? Laughing

649e?? WTF!!? lol, my NX10 cost half that! You could have got 2!, or a NX10 & an NX7 and still had change Twisted Evil , and 49e for a case, lol, you must have money to burn.

Still, enjoy the Note Smile I'd be looking to shove a light weight ROM on it, to speed it up a little Wink


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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2014 10:07    Post subject:
scaramonga wrote:
So, basically you just ignored the advice given, lol? Laughing

649e?? WTF!!? lol, my NX10 cost half that! You could have got 2! or a NX10 & an NX7 Twisted Evil , and 49e for a case, lol, you must have money to burn.

Still, enjoy the Note Smile I'd be looking to shove a light weight ROM on it, to speed it up a little Wink


Jup, I've money to burn, NX10 does not have mobile data connection in it afaik.

For case, the shop had no unbranded ones, so I had little choice Razz
So far it has been fast, but I haven't tried any 3d games. Final Fantasy runs really fine, as does Star Command.

I have managed to crash it once though Razz Tested how well it works for controlling the TV... it did, but something went wonky and caused a hardlock.
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2014 10:14    Post subject:
mtj wrote:

Jup, I've money to burn, NX10 does not have mobile data connection in it afaik.



Could have used a 3/4G dongle over USB OTG connection on NX10 Wink, still saving cash Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2014 10:26    Post subject:
scaramonga wrote:
mtj wrote:

Jup, I've money to burn, NX10 does not have mobile data connection in it afaik.



Could have used a 3/4G dongle over USB OTG connection on NX10 Wink, still saving cash Smile


Shop didn't have Nexus 10 Sad would have had to order it and wait probably few days Razz
I prefer impulse purchases.
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2014 10:32    Post subject:
Currently the only thing I really miss in this is the possibility for wireless charging. (I think the new NX7 would have had that option)


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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 17:54    Post subject:
While that explanation from Hfric is very good, you could just get an Ipad instead and know for sure that you will have a tablet that performs really well and is up to par with anything you throw at it.


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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 18:26    Post subject:
bringiton wrote:
While that explanation from Hfric is very good, you could just get an Ipad instead and know for sure that you will have a tablet that performs really well and is up to par with anything you throw at it.

Are You Serious


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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 19:19    Post subject:
What? I don't want to start an Apple fan post or fanboy war. But he said he wanted a tablet for gaming that should be under 700 €.
The Ipad covers that, while assuring a high technical quality, and the Itunes store offers at least the same games as Google Play, if not even more. And I haven't seen anybody complain about performance on an Ipad, while you have to make sure to chose the right Android tablet to get the most out of it.


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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2014 22:43    Post subject:
shit, I know the prices aren't equal but 700 EU = 1050 CAD, or basically 4x32gb nexus 7s!

would have bought 1 n7 and a decent ultrabook if I had the money to spend...

but hey, your money so spend it on whatever you want Smile


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