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 Posted: Tue, 26th Nov 2013 23:38 Post subject: Help me get my question to Dr. Richard Dawkins... |
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Hi everyone,
pls go to: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ri1y9/i_am_richard_dawkins_scientist_researcher_author/cdnprm3
and UPVOTE my question, so it may receive enough attention to actually popup at Mr. Dawkins PC, so he can answer it.
Thanks.
PS: don't read the text, just upvote and GTFO, thanks.
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I actually see him use those arguments to strengthen the view that religion these days is just pick and chose.
But I agree at times they focus too much on that.
Would have voted but I absolutely loath reddit so got no account there 
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No.
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Done.
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| Posted: Wed, 27th Nov 2013 02:26 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | To my best knowledge and at least since the invention of newspapers, I have never heard of any Christians who actually...
killed somebody for working sundays
killed their children for swearing
harrased or discriminated someone for eating shellfish
harrased or discriminated someone for wearing clothes from two kinds of material
selling their daughters |
But you can hear a shit-ton of examples of said Christians harassing homosexuals. Parents disavowing their kids, school bullying resulting in suicide, threatening them with eternal torture for being who they are, etc. Using the Bible as justification for such ignorant hatred while ignoring the rest is the very definition of hypocrisy, and pointing it out to them is perfectly valid.
When atheists debate theists, they don't throw out these quotes nilly-willy. They are in reaction to the theist failing to come up with a non-scriptural justification for some barbaric behavior and having to fall back on their playbook. Showing that they are not obeying the things even in the same chapter in the book is a good way to show just how inconsistent their whole world view really is (because the whole hate-the-gays thing is right alongside the very commandments you listed in Leviticus).
But I'll upvote it, since I'm sure that you'll get a more refined answer from him than you could from me (although it seems it won't be too high on the list, maybe it will catch his eye and answer anyways).
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Why are arguments against christianity/judaism/islam eg. specific religious moral randomness, fractions of memories of very old text that dont make sense in the modern context mixed with arguments against Theism?
btw, I made an account just to upvote.
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| couleur wrote: | | Why are arguments against christianity/judaism/islam eg. specific religious moral randomness, fractions of memories of very old text that dont make sense in the modern context mixed with arguments against Theism? |
To point towards hypocrisy?
Or perhaps it's the fact that using logic and reasoning against theists in a debate is so futile at times that pointing out absurdities and conflicting paradoxes is necessary. Not that the theists will take it in but the audience (youtubers, attendants at the debate etc.) might learn quite a lot.
I suggest people watch Through the Wormhole episode 10 from season 3:
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Through the Wormhole: Did We Invent God?
Did God invent humanity? Or did we invent God? Pioneering scientists are trekking across new frontiers of neuroscience that may at last provide an answer to this ancient mystery. Neuroscientists are recreating out of body experiences in virtual reality laboratories to uncover what happens to the brain during profoundly spiritual journeys.
Yet, most of us do not need to leave our bodies to sense the divine. Psychologists are working to figure out why we sense a hidden supernatural plane in the world around us. Their work suggests that belief in the spiritual takes hold a young age, never leaves us, and is essential to how our highly developed brains see the world.
This supernatural sense might be something more than just a byproduct of an intelligent mind, because a groundbreaking experiment with chimpanzees suggests that belief in God is unique to humans.
But what causes some to see the hand of God in humanity and the world around us, where others see randomness and chance? One psychologist believes she knows why, because her work is showing that our emotional states physically change how we see patterns of events in the world.
Our experience of God may be exclusively confined to our brains. But since our brains are where we experience reality, does imagining God make God real? One neuroscientist is trying to find the answer by peering into the human mind, and seeing what God really looks like! |
Very interesting.
As for Dawkins, I believe he's getting tired and old. He's been doing this for so long now that he's realised that he can't convert theist people with logic or reasoning so the debates are probably aimed at the audience.
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| Frant wrote: |
As for Dawkins, I believe he's getting tired and old. He's been doing this for so long now that he's realised that he can't convert theist people with logic or reasoning so the debates are probably aimed at the audience. |
Belief in god(s)/supernatural is rooted in the irrational, logic does not apply.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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One thing that is pretty paradoxical is the concept of "right wing Christians" or Republican Christians... If Jesus had existed and visited America he would have caused a second flood to wipe all the sin, arrogance, greed and so on from the face of the USA.
The sum of the described archetype of Jesus is a generous, welfare-promoting, altruistic and peaceful protector of the meek and weak, the total opposite of the right wing christians in the states (and elsewhere).
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| couleur wrote: | | Frant wrote: |
As for Dawkins, I believe he's getting tired and old. He's been doing this for so long now that he's realised that he can't convert theist people with logic or reasoning so the debates are probably aimed at the audience. |
Belief in god(s)/supernatural is rooted in the irrational, logic does not apply. |
Exactly, hence why he's manoeuvring his opponents not for their sake but for the audiences sake, to dispel the "power" of christianity to people that are weak christians or insecure seekers as well as teach rhetorical discourse to other activist atheists, giving them tools to do what he's been doing for the last 20+ years.
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I don't agree with you on this one. Even here in Croatia, people love quoting things from the Bible that they like and ignore others. So why shouldn't he 'stoop to their level' and point to their hypocrisy?
You forget that the religious people don't listen to reason, and most often hate science and logic. You wouldn't believe the percentage of people who do so.
So I won't upvote this...
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(which I will be teaching, hehe)
. You basically have to go get baptised to become a member since then.
