This bothers me because I've never had it happen (I know that sounds like a stupid naive thing to say, but it's true) and I see people here reporting all kinds of oddities. The reason I ask is because on hardware forums I read the opposite, comments that drivers in no way can overheat your card for no reason and so on. It'd be great for someone who knows a lot about GPUs to comment on this with the technicalities.
Also, since if it were a driver related problem, with a single piece of hardware (GPU), wouldn't it be more widespread with others with that exact config?
I don't know if it happens a lot for AMD users, I just see a lot of comments for nVidia cards and the constant flow of drivers they seem to be pumping out
Well f.e. if it's the drivers duty to control fan speeds, then yes, a bad driver could probably lead to overheating of your card. But in the end it is just another piece of software, so who knows on which information it relies on to cool your fan.
F.e. win8 apparently takes your bus clock to calculate the actual time. So if you overclock your pc while win8 is running, your clock will go wrong.
A driver could also rely on something that they see as common in 99% (it might not be defined as standard as well) of the pcs but maybe 1% have some odd configuration or so...
Never had a problem with Nvidia personally, so that is why I always buy their cards.
But I know people who say the same about AMD, so its swings and roundabouts I suppose, they have some good models (and drivers) and some bad.
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ?
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
Only nabs who cant do clean install are suffering from issues, or they just use always newest betas, which are made for newer cards primarily. Never have had major issues on both sides, expect once on AMD when drivers fucked up completely whole OS .
Only nabs who cant do clean install are suffering from issues, or they just use always newest betas, which are made for newer cards primarily. Never have had major issues on both sides, expect once on AMD when drivers fucked up completely whole OS .
Clearly you're one of the "nabs" then.
Fact is that both Nvidia and AMD have put out tons of WHQL certified drivers that may fuck up your system entirely in combination with specific other drivers and/or software. Both have also got an annoying history of "undoing" fixes between driver revisions resulting in driver hopping in order to play older games properly.
People who claim they've never had issues or that they *always* have issues with either side, are (sorry Saner, I'm not buying it):
A) Lying through their teeth
B) Idiots who play 2 games and have no other software on their system whatsoever
As for whether drivers can fuck up your card by making it overheat and such? Yes. Fan speeds for example are controlled by a temperature sensor to hit a specific temperature target. However, there are ways to change that fan speed via the vendors' respective APIs (actually very easy to access) and the drivers themselves apply custom fan curves. The same goes for clock speeds and the likes; the GPU itself cannot detect what's running, but the driver can so it does some application detection etcetera to trigger specific power states, change fan curves, and so on.
So yes, Nvidia have on two occasions put out a WHQL certified driver that would fuck that fan curve up, resulting in an overheating card. That is an artefact of Nvidia's rapid release cycle combined with their default silence-before-cooling fan curves (AMD's fan curves are noisier, but they aim for lower temperatures than Nvidia).
I've recently been having black screen lock ups and various system freezes when using nVidia's 326.41 drivers. I attributed it to PSU and SLi issues but after reading dozens of reports from people on the same drivers (and one revision earlier) on 5-series cards, I updated to the latest betas and haven't had a problem since. I couldn't play for 20 minutes on BF3 or Sleeping Dogs without my system freezing, the screen going black, fan spinning up, etcetera, on the earlier ones but everything *so far* seems good as gold.
I have never had any issue with an nVidia card, on the opposite side I have had plenty of issues with AMD cards. I'm sure both have pro's and con's but after my lats nightmare with AMD I can't help to continue with nVidia. They treat me well. <3 evga
As far as overheating goes, I always have MSI AfterBurner running in the background, and always keep an eye out for GPU temp, fan speed...etc... You know just in-case
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I've recently been having black screen lock ups and various system freezes when using nVidia's 326.41 drivers. I attributed it to PSU and SLi issues but after reading dozens of reports from people on the same drivers (and one revision earlier) on 5-series cards, I updated to the latest betas and haven't had a problem since. I couldn't play for 20 minutes on BF3 or Sleeping Dogs without my system freezing, the screen going black, fan spinning up, etcetera, on the earlier ones but everything *so far* seems good as gold.
Didn't I say I doubted it was a PSU issue!
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I have never had any issue with an nVidia card, on the opposite side I have had plenty of issues with AMD cards. I'm sure both have pro's and con's but after my lats nightmare with AMD I can't help to continue with nVidia. They treat me well. <3 evga
As far as overheating goes, I always have MSI AfterBurner running in the background, and always keep an eye out for GPU temp, fan speed...etc... You know just in-case
Nvidia Pros = ???
They are pretty much always slower on same generation, more expensive and has no more or less issues with single cards than AMD does.
SLI sure seems to beat CF when it comes to supporting games, SLI also works for windowed games where as CF does.
But for a single card, I would currently take AMD over an NVidia any day.
Only reason I got NVidia right now is that I wanted to try Lightboost out but it seems with the newer "hacks" you can even enable it on AMD cards
Regret selling my HD7950 now for this puny 660Ti...
You should have got something that is similar to your HD 7950, like GTX 670. You seem to compare it all the time to your 7950, which is in whole different performance class (especially if you had it overclocked over 1200 core).
7950 = 7970 with lower clocks, when overclocked to equal clocks, there is like 2 fps difference between them in gaming @ 1440p what i have tried. Yeah, it crushes 660ti (even when its overclocked).
I'm not by any means bashing AMD, I know they have nice cards, they are more affordable and perform well, but I have had some bad experiences with them and the drivers
To each his own.
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Stige wrote:
Didn't I say I doubted it was a PSU issue!
I'm not willing to celebrate and cheer just yet, but I'll be ecstatic if you're right. Right now I have my proc at 4Ghz with 1.3v flat and the two cards running stock. Seems to be working okay but egh... my fingers are hurting from all this crossing I've been doing
This happened to me too after I installed the drivers v.320.18 (570 GTX here) some weeks ago. I was playing Assassin's Creed 3 and suddenly the fan started roaring more than usual and I got blue pixels/textures all over the characters and landscapes
I checked the temps and the card was running at ~92°C (and counting) so I immediately quit and uninstalled everything. After a quick googling I discovered that I wasn't the only one, and people actually got their cards burnt (there were several threads at Guru3D, JB can confirm it I think).
Fortunately I was lucky, but still, damn you Nvidia you got me real scared. At least all the newest drivers seem to be fine for me. *sigh of relief*
edit: as for the technicalities I'll leave it to the experts
I have never had any issue with an nVidia card, on the opposite side I have had plenty of issues with AMD cards. I'm sure both have pro's and con's but after my lats nightmare with AMD I can't help to continue with nVidia. They treat me well. <3 evga
As far as overheating goes, I always have MSI AfterBurner running in the background, and always keep an eye out for GPU temp, fan speed...etc... You know just in-case
Cooling that water without fans is.. not very efficient :l
I had that error popup for the first time recently as well, it was only the one time though so hopefully it does not become an issue. I am running Windows 8.1 Pro.
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No fan shit to deal with 
