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Morphineus
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So you must be from Germany I guess?
Here in Sweden (and I would think Norway is about the same) the speed limits are quite the same as Belgium and The netherlands.
People speed as much as they do in Belgium and the Netherlands (and some other European countries) with one exception (still not a free pass in my view) that traffic and space actually allows for faster speeds than in those countries.
And in my opinion seeing the VAST majority of drivers on the road are idiots I think the speed limit shouldn't be raised higher 
But yeh you don't see much police or camera's around here so I guess that pretty much means people are willing to take more risks with speeding.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Aug 2013 18:40 Post subject: |
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Actually Sweden was drastically different from Norway. The roads we took (Narvik - Lulea - Stockholm) were generally straight and wide with reasonable limits (anywhere from 80 to 120). We also encountered way more cameras. Yeah, some people drove faster than the limit, but you always expect that.
Norway, on the other hand, was all 80 and below (with few very rare exceptions to 90). Constant 80-70-60-50-30-50-60-70-80 stretches when you need to slow down because the road passes through a small village/town. Anyway, I don't mind the speeds so much, at many places it was reasonable considering how windy the road was. The part I don't understand is how so many people just don't care while the enforcement is supposed to be so strict. You always expect some people to speed, but for more than 2 weeks I felt like I was the slowest person in the country 
Thank god for so many caravans on the road...pretty much the only time I felt like I was quicker.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Aug 2013 22:53 Post subject: Re: Driving in Norway |
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| KGen wrote: | Any Norwegians here?
Last week I've got back from a vacation in Norway (and a little Sweden) with my brother. We've rented a car and had a pretty awesome trip (5500 km in 16 days). One thing bugged me though - speed limits and local drivers. When researching the trip, I've read about how the speed limits are very low and how the enforcement of those limits is very strict. I've pretty much expected a camera every few kilometers and plenty of cops....the reality couldn't be more different. Yeah, the speeds were pretty low, but what surprised me the most were the (assumingly) Norwegian drivers that couldn't care less. Everyone and their mother drove way above the limit...I was driving the speed limit and still had to stop on the sidelines often to let the train behind me pass
So, what's the deal with that? The fines for driving above the speed limit are among the highest in Europe - how come it doesn't deter the drivers?  |
My friends did the same and they spent a lot of money there and when I asked them can they tell me anything interesting they had nothing to say. I said I had more stories to tell than you while you were in a foreign country and spend so much dough.  |
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deelix
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Aug 2013 23:06 Post subject: |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Aug 2013 23:45 Post subject: |
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| skx7 wrote: | i travel a lot to the Netherlands and I learned to obey the rules the hard way... these speeding tickets almost bankrupted me  the Dutch roads are completely ruined by those trajectory speeding controls 
the problem with driving at the allowed speed is that I am a lot more distracted. a lot more dangerous than driving 20km/h too fast honestly |
You think we have a lot of speed cameras and radar patrols? Try Italy. I have no idea whether they are operational (might be too expensive...ixi?  ) or what the fines are like, but every 5 fucking km on the A1 from Milan to the south you have *at least* one camera. |
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Aug 2013 03:24 Post subject: |
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where I'm from you just bribe the cop 10 euros and be on your way no matter your infraction
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ixigia
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Aug 2013 04:44 Post subject: |
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Hahah, here it works only if you're a powerful Juba guy, or if you simply know someone in high places 
| Werelds wrote: | | skx7 wrote: | i travel a lot to the Netherlands and I learned to obey the rules the hard way... these speeding tickets almost bankrupted me the Dutch roads are completely ruined by those trajectory speeding controls
the problem with driving at the allowed speed is that I am a lot more distracted. a lot more dangerous than driving 20km/h too fast honestly |
You think we have a lot of speed cameras and radar patrols? Try Italy. I have no idea whether they are operational (might be too expensive...ixi? ) or what the fines are like, but every 5 fucking km on the A1 from Milan to the south you have *at least* one camera. |
I'm pretty sure many of them are active and ready to rip you off (at least in these trafficked summer days), because when there's the crisis, drivers and honest workers are the first ones to get screwed.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Aug 2013 16:14 Post subject: Re: Driving in Norway |
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deelix
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deelix
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Aug 2013 19:51 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Aug 2013 20:15 Post subject: |
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| deelix wrote: | Wow, now I get why it took so long THIS is definitely the way to experience Norway 
Must have been an amazing trip, and I see you avoided the freeway  (when I say freeway I don't consider E134 etc. )
The coast is pretty idyllic down south, but then you would probably need a day or two more, and besides you got coasts in Germany too (if thats where you are from )
Anyways, I don't get tourists that come here just to visit Oslo. Boring and expensive imo. |
Actually, I'm from Israel...we have nothing even remotely similar landscape and nature wise, so we really enjoyed ourselves. We deliberately tried to avoid freeways, even took a couple of unpaved roads just for the scenery sake. I considered checking out south as well but was persuaded to stick to west and north. I certainly see myself going back again, probably northern parts mostly...because of weather we missed on some hikes we planned
I didn't even see Oslo, we felt it's not what Norway is about and it would be a waste of time. I did see some Bergen and it was okay, but half a day is more than enough. Eventually we also had half a day in Stockholm...really liked the Vasa museum - that ship is pretty awesome.
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deelix
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Aug 2013 18:48 Post subject: |
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Let me start by saying you sure did find the best scenic route you could find!
I've driven quite many of those roads, and many I hope to drive someday in the future.
As for your question:
Many people (locals especially) know the roads, so they drive it faster due to that.
For you it might seem insane to drive 80kph on a tiny road just wide enough for 1 car, even tho it's a 2 way.
For me it's normal to drive in 90kph with a 18m 50tonne truck on those roads.
And as deelix said, theres so many ways to check if theres any police activity in your area or not.
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Aug 2013 20:19 Post subject: |
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| Kristian wrote: | Let me start by saying you sure did find the best scenic route you could find!
I've driven quite many of those roads, and many I hope to drive someday in the future.
As for your question:
Many people (locals especially) know the roads, so they drive it faster due to that.
For you it might seem insane to drive 80kph on a tiny road just wide enough for 1 car, even tho it's a 2 way.
For me it's normal to drive in 90kph with a 18m 50tonne truck on those roads.
And as deelix said, theres so many ways to check if theres any police activity in your area or not. |
Yeah, I just didn't expect it to be so commonplace considering the enforcement.
Here's a quote from roadmc.com:
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The speed limits are among Europe’s lowest, while the reactions are certainly Europe’s toughest. Motor roads with two lanes (Class A) may have a max speed of 100 km/h - but this only applies to a total distance of less than 100 kms. The rest have a max speed of 90km/h.
The common speed limits outside urban areas are 60, 70 or 80 km/h.
Norway is the only European country who regularly condemns its citizens to prison sentences for speeds that seem perfectly natural for citizens of other western countries.
140 km/h on a motor road under perfect conditions is enough to land you in jail for at least 18 days - unconditionally.
The controls are everywhere, they are done by both radar, laser, air, civilian cars (lots of!) and helicopters. And the civilian cars are next to impossible to spot: They never sport double rear view mirrors as in other European countries.
Radar-jammers, laser-jammers and detectors are, of course, strictly forbidden.
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So you can understand my concern with speeding
But I can understand the locals...looks like at least on some roads, the speed limits are assigned with winter in mind...on a sunny summer day, you sure can drive faster.
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Aug 2013 09:44 Post subject: |
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True, that is my experience now as well.
However, about the fines, aren't they attached to the car (car owner) and not individual driver? I think in case of fines, the car rental company will be required to pay them and by the rental contract they will request the driver to pay. So, I guess the only foreigners who can get away with fines are people that enter the country on personal cars. Same with road tolls I believe...we used Autopass, but I've read that if it's not a rental car, they never send you the bill outside Norway.
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Aug 2013 16:57 Post subject: |
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That is correct (for automated fines/tolls).
Most people with their own car in the country will never get the autopass bill, but some will. And if they do get, the price is usually double, or even triple the amount of what it would cost to pay in Norway.
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