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LeoNatan
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 Posted: Thu, 18th Jul 2013 17:05 Post subject: Add "text-rendering: optimizeLegibility;" |
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to the CSS.
There really isn't a reason not to. Should make text look better and make it easier to read.
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[mrt]
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Jul 2013 20:16 Post subject: |
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I dont see a difference when its applied in FF.
A quick search turns up yellow lights. Support still looks buggy.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Jul 2013 20:23 Post subject: |
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Hi mrt,
Thanks for taking a look.
I think the problem is the font used on Windows. But on a Mac for example, the Helvetical Neue supports kerning and ligatures to improve legibility. And from what I know, we do not have the nested hierarchies that are known to cause bugs. It should work well on applying it on the body of posts, and should not cause problems on basically any modern browser. 
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Jul 2013 20:27 Post subject: |
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BTW, if a forum upgrade is coming, perhaps it is time to change the Windows font?  Nothing crazy, just some better font on Windows.
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Saner
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Jul 2013 20:32 Post subject: |
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Or you could install a decent operating system 
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Jul 2013 20:33 Post subject: |
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True that, and we already improved the font on OS X to use Helvetica Neue. But on Windows, it still uses Tahoma or Verdana. 
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Jul 2013 09:30 Post subject: |
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Segoe UI or open sans
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Saner
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Jul 2013 09:57 Post subject: |
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Am I the only one who has no problems with the font the way it is ?
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Jul 2013 10:15 Post subject: |
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| Saner wrote: | | Am I the only one who has no problems with the font the way it is ? |
Nah, don't really care about the font tbh. Aslong as it's readable and not some hipsters implementation of a hip font, they can either keep it or upgrade it as they please |
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Jul 2013 10:20 Post subject: |
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The font looks great on opera 12 but not so great on anything else
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Jul 2013 11:16 Post subject: |
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isn't this something ixi can do anyway with his plugin?
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Jul 2013 15:44 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | | isn't this something ixi can do anyway with his plugin? |
ixi has a plugin? 
You mean garus, right?
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sausje
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Jul 2013 16:06 Post subject: |
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rofl yeah, the joy of posting when being awake for 1 min 
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Jul 2013 16:13 Post subject: |
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Segoe UI+Calibri would give very good results in Windows. For one, they are properly hinted, so any modern browser would render them very good, whether small or larger.
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Nalo
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Jul 2013 18:33 Post subject: |
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| Nalo wrote: | | sausje wrote: | | rofl yeah, the joy of posting when being awake for 1 min |
ixi has a plug in too, if you know what I mean and I think that you do   |
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Jul 2013 23:56 Post subject: |
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On topic/(banal comment) As a guy with no standards whatsoever when it comes to this stuff, as long as I can read, anything is fine to me xD |
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| Interinactive wrote: | There's nothing wrong with a webfont like Open Sans if the font is large enough
Example with font applied: http://www.coflash.com/stuff/opensans.png
Plus that way you will mostly have a consistent font between most operating systems. Arial/verdana/tahoma/sansserif are boring. Open sans + museo sans + PT sans show up pretty well.
I wouldn't use anything below 15px - 16px for body copy these days either, or the (em/rem equivilant)
Support shouldn't be an issue either so long as it doesn't affect something else in a negative way, graceful degradation, if people want to use old shit they get an old experience to match |
That looks terrible, way to blurry.
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Oooooh, I LIKE Open Sans! It's a lot better than Pale Moon's default bullshit, the font and font rendering on here is horrible Large, pointless, spacing between characters and the text is indistinct compared to the clarity of Chrome, not to mention some sites have thick unsightly fonts now, such as SteamGifts.
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I even messaged Garus about it a while back, thinking he might have some ideas on how to fix it. I tried disabling/enabling 2D canvass and it helps *slightly* with spacing, but doesn't fix font legibility at all. PM is using the same font and size as Chrome, it just looks horrible :\
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I've "gotten used to it" now but still not happy, not at all
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Jul 2013 22:31 Post subject: |
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I don't like Open Sans. It's too wide. Why in this day and age, where we have quality displays - high DPI, pentile bullshit going away, we need a font so wide and so much spacing between characters? This is an outdated font. Even Google is stepping away from the Droid/Open Sans with Roboto, but that's just Google's Arial. Why does it have to be Open Sans?
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Sin317
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Jul 2013 22:36 Post subject: |
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don't touch the font. It's perfect as it is and i hate to see it change.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Jul 2013 22:38 Post subject: |
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What is perfect about tahoma?
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Sin317
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Jul 2013 23:16 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Why in this day and age, where we have quality displays - high DPI, pentile bullshit going away, we need a font so wide and so much spacing between characters? |
Because that is entirely irrelevant as to why letter spacing matters. Line height and letter spacing are the two most important parts to make it easy to read text; and having little to no space is just as bad as having too much of it.
Having higher DPIs does not mean text with little letter/line spacing is easier to read. Doesn't matter much to you perhaps, nor does it to me, but for dyslexic people it matters a great deal. And even you do like a bit of letter spacing Leo, you're using SCP which does have a fair bit of letter spacing - it's one of the reasons it's so pleasant to work with 
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Jul 2013 23:57 Post subject: |
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I do, of course, but I think Open Sans is too loose, and it is not to my liking. I think it is liked mainly due to its license type, rather than aesthetics.
I would argue that line spacing is much more important and could help here more.
I am using SCP? 
But high DPI helps because shapes are much easily distinguished by the eyes. That is why you can allow yourself much lower weights and kerning (which effectively tightens letter spacing) and still be able to read with easy, things that were just not possible on old displays (pentile especially).
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