anybody seen this? maybe some plasma anomaly or maybe ufo get refills, it's discovered in 2010, and nasa sent observer to orbit sun in that year and until now they did not discovered anything similar. Or maybe they did? That anomaly was 80 hours like that, and it took 5 hours to disappear. And the sphere was big like jupiter.
A spacecraft could firebomb its way into our atmosphere, land in the middle of NY, open up and have a dozen little green men come strolling out and throwing priceless gems into the street for all to see --- and everyone would still say they don't exist. No no, the government say aliens don't exist and who are we to disagree? I'm not saying the video is showing extraterrestrial life, I'm simply commenting on the overwhelming "lololol" attitude from everyone whenever the subject comes up.
A spacecraft could firebomb its way into our atmosphere, land in the middle of NY, open up and have a dozen little green men come strolling out and throwing priceless gems into the street for all to see --- and everyone would still say they don't exist. No no, the government say aliens don't exist and who are we to disagree? I'm not saying the video is showing extraterrestrial life, I'm simply commenting on the overwhelming "lololol" attitude from everyone whenever the subject comes up.
Shame really.
People are and will always be retards. It goes for both aliens and conspiracies. Take a look at this fucking prism shit and use your head before you brand someone a conspiracy retard when he believes something is up with the government.
A spacecraft could firebomb its way into our atmosphere, land in the middle of NY, open up and have a dozen little green men come strolling out and throwing priceless gems into the street for all to see --- and everyone would still say they don't exist. No no, the government say aliens don't exist and who are we to disagree? I'm not saying the video is showing extraterrestrial life, I'm simply commenting on the overwhelming "lololol" attitude from everyone whenever the subject comes up.
Shame really.
There is a reason for it. And that reason is that there is no evidence for them. What do we see EVERY time? It's either a completely mundane astronomical phenomenon misinterpreted by laypeople (like the solar flare in the video, or people chasing Venus in their cars, for fuck's sake, people mistook the fucking Moon for alien crafts), or painfully obvious fabrications (Billy Meier-effect). The rest are anecdotal accounts about abductions.
I'm in the NdGT camp with this question: until you show me something that is not refuted with the minimalest of efforts, then I'll stop laughing my ass off every time someone thinks that a solar flare is an alien craft refuelling.
Why is it that astronomers who look at the sky every day don't see aliens, but an attention seeking nujob sees something he can't explain, therefore aliens?
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Well I'm going on record to outright categorically state; I fully believe extraterrestrial life exists. Anyone that thinks we're only life in the universe is more mentally unstable than those that claim they're speaking to Elvis through their hearing implant
Why is it that astronomers who look at the sky every day don't see aliens, but an attention seeking nujob sees something he can't explain, therefore aliens?
Yet when someone does come forward and claim they saw something through their telescopes, they're immediately denounced
Well I'm going on record to outright categorically state; I fully believe extraterrestrial life exists. Anyone that thinks we're only life in the universe is more mentally unstable than those that claim they're speaking to Elvis through their hearing implant
Of course there is life out there. It's a statistical near-impossibility that we are the only ones. However there is nothing UFO believers can show that stood up to the any form of scrutiny.
Well I'm going on record to outright categorically state; I fully believe extraterrestrial life exists. Anyone that thinks we're only life in the universe is more mentally unstable than those that claim they're speaking to Elvis through their hearing implant
Of course there is life out there. It's a statistical near-impossibility that we are the only ones. However there is nothing UFO believers can show that stood up to the any form of scrutiny.
Or perhaps what they've tried to show has been doctored by people that don't want the knowledge out there? Doctored in order to discredit the claimant? Conspiracy theory, sure, but not out of the realms of possibility.
Yet when someone does come forward and claim they saw something through their telescopes, they're immediately denounced
Please bud, examples. I'm yet to see anyone who is knowledgeable about astronomical events and phenomena, and is convinced that he/she saw an alien craft.
sabin1981 wrote:
Or perhaps what they've tried to show has been doctored by people that don't want the knowledge out there? Doctored in order to discredit the claimant? Conspiracy theory, sure, but not out of the realms of possibility.
Are you serious? People who want to keep it silent doctor evidence to make it look incredibly weak, but the holders of the original evidence don't litter the internet with the undoctored evidence?
A spacecraft could firebomb its way into our atmosphere, land in the middle of NY, open up and have a dozen little green men come strolling out and throwing priceless gems into the street for all to see --- and everyone would still say they don't exist. No no, the government say aliens don't exist and who are we to disagree? I'm not saying the video is showing extraterrestrial life, I'm simply commenting on the overwhelming "lololol" attitude from everyone whenever the subject comes up.
Shame really.
Personally, I think it's just pure arrogance to think that we are alone.
Especially if you take a look at this: http://workshop.chromeexperiments.com/stars/
You'll see how insignificant we are.
Yet, I had to ridicule that video, at least the notion that it shows an UFO because I'm pretty sure that if it is an actual object, it would reflect the light from the sun and would be actually visible.
And because I'm going "deep" into youtube too when I'm bored and watch alot of shit
I don't think this discussion is about this particular video being true or not, but more how people react when someone post or generally show an UFO video
All I'm saying is that you, and others, are quick to condemn claimants - no matter how many thousands upon thousands of reports you see - and fully believe and trust everything the "experts" claim. Experts that could just have easily been silenced or coerced. So when one person does come forward, everyone cries fake. Just like that recent bit in the news where some Asian farmer claims to have found an electrocuted corpse of an alien --- immediately people come forward and condemn him, calling fake, then the POLICE state "it's fake" - the fuck? Since when do the police get involved with things like this?
I am NOT saying this video is of aliens, never even entered my mind, but the POSSIBILITY exists - despite NASA or anyone else claiming otherwise. People are far too quick to condemn and deny. That's all I'm saying. Oh and I'm not targeting you specifically either, so please don't take offence to anything I'm saying, I completely agree that the OPs video is more than likely just a flare and nothing more.
Stormwolf wrote:
I don't think this discussion is about this particular video being true or not, but more how people react when someone post or generally show an UFO video
Try to see it from my side of things. I practically live and breathe astronomy (not professionally, but I read, watch and listen to materials I find about it). After hearing about innumerable claims, after years of being woefully unimpressed, to me UFO believers either see mundane things and misinterpret them (vast majority), or in some rare cases, complete frauds (Billy Meier). Or even rarer, just certifiably insane (David Icke).
Also, there is a very important aspect about the numbers of people claiming things: tonns of bad, anecdotal evidence does not compile into a heap of one good evidence. Just because lots of people say they saw a something, does not mean there MUST be something there. Lots of people see ghosts too.
Also, if you read, I never ever said that the video was fake. It's not fake. It's a completely real video about a solar flare, that someone mistook for an alien spaceship. After witnessing these kind of misinterpretations for years, one after another, one kinda starts to get close to a conclusion.
I do, I understand your point of view, I really do. I just think that too many people are far too quick to condemn and deny without even examining the possibility. You speak of ghosts? Every single person in my immediate family has seen one, myself included, we have seen things that cannot be explained (and certainly wasn't swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and that reflected the light from Venus) multiple times throughout our lives.
I guess that's why, aside from not following the egotistical "only life in the galaxy" belief, I'm more open-minded when it comes to things like this.
I do, I understand your point of view, I really do. I just think that too many people are far too quick to condemn and deny without even examining the possibility. You speak of ghosts? Every single person in my immediate family has seen one, myself included, we have seen things that cannot be explained (and certainly wasn't swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and that reflected the light from Venus) multiple times throughout our lives.
I guess that's why, aside from not following the egotistical "only life in the galaxy" belief, I'm more open-minded when it comes to things like this.
Again, nobody claims that there is no life out there. Statistically it is a near impossibility that we are alone. But also keep in mind what I wrote about visitations (which is a related question, but only tangentially): lots of shitty evidence does not compile into one good evidence.
It would only require one good evidence to prove that aliens are visiting. Not thousands of bad ones. A single good one. So far, such a thing is yet to surface. I would be the happiest man on Earth if we found alien life (or if they found us, in case they are not here to eat us ), but until I see good reason to be happy, I'm not going to jump to conclusions or grasp onto things like "it's possible". I think I reached the point in my life when I can safely call myself a skeptic (in the actual meaning of the word, and not as a synonym for "cynic"), and what I've seen so far did not stand up to my personal standard of evidence. I know it's an argument from authority, but having the astronomical scientific community in line with my own assessment kinda helps reinforce this conclusion.
I would rather not touch the experiences of your and your family. Without actually being there and witnessing myself, I'm afraid they are anecdotal accounts and without scientific and evidential merit.
Im with zmed on this one.
Do I think there is life elsewhere? the chances of it not being there is slim to none. It would be more an astronomically stunning fact if it DIDN'T exist somewhere else.
But have we proven or have evidence that this highly favorable chance actually rolled a winning number? no..so until its proven, it cannot go from a 'favorable statistical chance' to a 'confirmed conclusion'.
It being highly probable , and us proving we have seen, been visited, or shown evidence that it is highly skeptical and shaky at best.
I mean we know for a FACT sharks exist for example. but people could show me 10,000 videos and grainy pics of some vague large unidentified fish shaped object in the water all they want while saying they are pretty sure it was a shark.
Until its shown it actually was a shark. its just grainy pics of some USO (unidentified swimming object) in the water. Just because sharks exist, doesn't mean anything that vaguely can be called a shark probably is one.
Same with UFO's. Until they time they can change the U to and I (identified flying object) its just that...unidentified. It has no more chance of being, or not being, an alien just because someone wants to believe it is.
I guess for me, until the 'proof' is actually proven to be proof I refuse to take the "well since no one knows what it is, then it makes it lean more towards aliens". It could be one of a 1000 different things. Just because we cant say for sure which one, doesn't mean 1 of those 1000 now has more chance of being it.
I would LOVE for alien intelligent life to be found. would be the biggest and most important discovery we ever made. But just because we know its possible, and the fact that we want it so badly..doesn't make the current evidence anymore self sustaining, despite how much we want to give it the benefit of the doubt.
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guys chill, anyway this thread was about your opinions, i said maybe plasma anomaly or ufo, we really can not exclude ufo possibility from anything that do not have really good explanations with evidence. Solar system, earth, people, are pure coincidence in universe, and when we look how large universe is, it is impossible that this happened only once.
A spacecraft could firebomb its way into our atmosphere, land in the middle of NY, open up and have a dozen little green men come strolling out and throwing priceless gems into the street for all to see --- and everyone would still say they don't exist. No no, the government say aliens don't exist and who are we to disagree? I'm not saying the video is showing extraterrestrial life, I'm simply commenting on the overwhelming "lololol" attitude from everyone whenever the subject comes up.
Shame really.
The conspiracy and UFO scene doesn't give the extra-terrestrial idea any credibility though. It's a mainstream business where you can buy posters and little green men toys as far as American Capitalism is concerned.
When we don't have any hard evidence for something it's not worth a serious discussion.
I totally agree, we cant rule out it is one..but not ruling it out doesn't make it anymore viable than it was to start with. There is way to many steps to try to prove about its very natural to start with, before even trying to prove if its flown by aliens.
There is a difference in saying "Its almost a sure thing life if out there" and saying "they have visited our solar system and we have proof".
Thats like me saying there is almost surely a repeat offending burglar living within 10 miles of my house, and that since I heard noises outside that sounded like one, it most likely is one..since its a given that they exist.
Just because we can not form a conclusion, doesn't mean we need to jump to one either
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Well said, that man! Oops, I mean, quick everyone; let's call George Carlin a kook too
DXWarlock wrote:
Just because we can not form a conclusion, doesn't mean we need to jump to one either
You cannot prove these people are wrong, you cannot prove extraterrestrial beings have not visited this planet, yet you're willing to jump to the conclusion that so many hundreds of thousands of people are lying and/or mistaken. I don't want to turn this into some huge metaphysical discussion because it's just pointless; we believe what we believe and neither of us should attempt to coerce the other person into believing differently. I will say that; yes, quite possibly the vast majority of people are liars, kooks, buffs, charlatans, con artists, whatever ... but I'm more than willing to believe that a great many of them have seen something, something that nobody else believes or, worse, that certain people have attempted to downplay and silence.
Well said, that man! Oops, I mean, quick everyone; let's call George Carlin a kook too
DXWarlock wrote:
Just because we can not form a conclusion, doesn't mean we need to jump to one either
You cannot prove these people are wrong, you cannot prove extraterrestrial beings have not visited this planet, yet you're willing to jump to the conclusion that so many hundreds of thousands of people are lying and/or mistaken. I don't want to turn this into some huge metaphysical discussion because it's just pointless; we believe what we believe and neither of us should attempt to coerce the other person into believing differently. I will say that; yes, quite possibly the vast majority of people are liars, kooks, buffs, charlatans, con artists, whatever ... but I'm more than willing to believe that a great many of them have seen something, something that nobody else believes or, worse, that certain people have attempted to downplay and silence.
See, this is the fault of the ppl who do not know how science works, or how logic works
It's not on us to prove the non existence of the UFO claim, since we are not saying they're not existing
The burden of proof always lies with the one who states it. In this case ppl who claim that UFO exists need to provide that proof for us, not the other way around.
We are just saying: we cannot know if they do exist, since we've seen no solid evidence so far. They might exist (seriously, given the size of the universe they almost must exist!), but we haven't seen them, ergo for all intense and purposes they don't.
Kinda like magnetic monopols
EDIT: Or god xD
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson
chiv wrote:
thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.
No Im not saying they are lying and/or mistaken. Im saying that they cannot prove what they state, so my stance is the same as it was before they had the lack on convincing me.
I believe they saw something too.. But was it aliens? swamp gas? yet unknown natural space anomalies that twist the fabric of the universe on a human size scale? Magic secretive hyper chickens from earth that like to play practical jokes on people? who knows.
Maybe its my mindset. If I saw something totally unexplained..even if I saw a ship, that glowed red, hovered with no noise, and took off the speed of light from a standstill..if someone asking me "Was it aliens?" I'd say "I dont know, I didn't see any..I have no shred of proof what or who was controlling it, if anything."
So i look at all claims like that. I concur with them that they saw something, and it was real, and they are explaining it with all the truth they can give...Up until the point the word 'alien' comes in. Then it goes from explaining what they saw. to assuming things about what they saw by lack of having any other explaination.
Im not knocking anyone that believes in that they saw them, or that other believe them. Im saying that I myself the jury is still out on what it was.
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... and once again it comes back to the fact that whenever someone presents evidence, of any kind, it's immediately and raucously dismissed. OR! As I've said, it could just as easily been doctored to cover it up, or are you suggesting cover ups don't exist either? No matter, it's a rhetorical question.
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