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fisk
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 Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005 00:09 Post subject: Movie industry gone sour? |
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Is it just me, or is the world movie scene completely run aground? Last movie I was impressed with was probably "The Matrix" when it came, and that was ages ago. Lately there have been a lot of pretentious drama's with boring plots (girl goes insane, falls in love with boy who goes insane, then they drool all over eachother==total drivel).
Seriously, Johnny Depp is a talented actor, why the hell does he even bother with sleep movies such as "Finding Sleepyland (utter snore)", or Alexander (see thread for my latest comments on that crap).
And before you start thinking about it, no, I don't only prefer action movies...
I really disliked Van Helsing, and all the movies that follow this "Wow! We film makers just realized there's this thing called CGI that 4 year olds like! Let's use A WHOLE DAMN BUNCH of those!!1one"
How about something interesting for once? Something that doesn't make you fall asleep watching it (seriously, I fell asleep during Constantine) - how about something with some dramaturgy that really shows the edge of a good drama, a good adventure movie, etc.
I mean, Indiana Jones was fun to watch, James Bond was exciting (and still is, up to the day when ... what's his name became Bond).
Nowadays the scripts are about as interesting as watching flowers grow, the director's spoilt with Digital Effects, which remove the creative thinking from the branch, etc. etc.
I'm really sad for the industry, because there are a lot of talented actors out there. Al Pacino, Kevin Spacey, Gary Oldman, Kate Blanchett, etc.
It's a pity the Wachowsky-brothers turned Deus Ex Machina on the matrix trilogy, because it had a certain... spark (despite being heavily influenced from ie. japanese anime).
And the lord of the rings trilogy? In hindsight, I have to agree with a lot of people, it's a bit overrated.
Oh, for reference, these are some movies I really liked during the last 20 years:
Coppola's Godfather I & II
The Apocalypse
Clockwork Orange
2001 a space oddysey
Hitchcock's Rebecca
The Matrix
Coppola's Dracula
Alien
Aliens
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Blade Runner
The Platoon
Neverending Story
Silence of the lambs
Magnolia
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005 00:16 Post subject: |
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I think we get many crap movies nowdays aswell, but among them you can STILL find great movies like, "Ray", Eastwood's MDB, Saw, Collateral, The Machinist...and lots more.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005 00:19 Post subject: |
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hmmmm so you dont think films like shrek and the incredibles were good? one of the best "new" films i have seen has been team america. i take it you aint watched spirited away? i dont like western films as much anymore i do prefer eastern / british ones because they're much more original / funny / dramatic / presented better. I think a lot of films have gone into the "mock horror" phase which is ok but 2/3 films cover it look at them now... alone in the dark, boogeyman, hide and seek, prolly a few more.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005 00:34 Post subject: |
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| outtanames wrote: | | I think we get many crap movies nowdays aswell, but among them you can STILL find great movies like, "Ray", Eastwood's MDB, Saw, Collateral, The Machinist...and lots more. |
If I hear anyone call Saw a good (let along great FFS) movie again I'm going to shit my pants.
How can you even lump a movie which is mediocre at best in with those from Eastwood or Mann? Let alone to compare them with Fisk's list which includes some of the greats like Coppola, Kubrick, Hitchcock, Cameron, Stone etc etc.
Even mentioning Saw in the same forum is a fucking travesty. 
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005 02:49 Post subject: |
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K, fisk, you're right on some levels.
The movie industry is all about money. Back in the day those movies, some of which you mentioned, made money. Now it's all for a different audience. We still get one good movie for every eight that are blockbusters. If blade runner came out today none of the teenagers would watch it. 2001 a space odyssey would be a complete bore. Silence of the lambs will make teenagers laugh at the scenes that terrified the audience back when the movie was made.
Even taxi driver is looked at as a comedy through the eyes of a teenager. “You looking at me? ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME?” – LoL RofleMao HA HA HA
I mean the 'dramas' that are made today aren't aimed at the teenage audience but for the more mature audience with a refined taste. Kids have to learn to watch movie for the meaning not the high-octane car crashes and keanu’s tight buttocks 
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year, running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears. Wish you were here.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005 02:54 Post subject: |
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good movies always have and always will be surrounded by shit movies. But recently there have been a lot of shit movies not to mention all of the poor remakes and sequels. This makes me appreciate good movies like Million Dollar Baby more actually.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005 03:05 Post subject: |
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| Injurious wrote: | | I mean the 'dramas' that are made today aren't aimed at the teenage audience but for the more mature audience with a refined taste. Kids have to learn to watch movie for the meaning not the high-octane car crashes and keanu’s tight buttocks |
Oh, so you mean Drama's like Birdy, Magnolia, etc. aren't made for mature people?
I find your attitude disturbing, and you, miss the point (though, you partly have an idea of what I mean).
I don't know the specifics you refer to here, but I'd say 95% of today's dramas are basically pretentious crap.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005 03:05 Post subject: |
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I think your just looking drowned out storyless action movies with bad acting. Maybe in another 10 years that genre will come back but for now it's all about straight comedy's or dramodies. All action movies now are tech demo's for computer artist or have scenes pandoring to the majority who watch comedy's or drama's. Spiderman, The Hulk all fall victim. Either wait this shit out and do something untill indian jones 4 or doom comes out or keep whining but not in here please isonews would love to have it though.
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005 03:53 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: |
Oh, so you mean Drama's like Birdy, Magnolia, etc. aren't made for mature people? |
That, what I said, does state that most of the dramas of today, same with dramas decades plus ago, are made for the mature audience. The action movies, the comedies, the thrillers and horrors are made solely for teens. They sell 
| fisk wrote: | | I find your attitude disturbing, and you, miss the point (though, you partly have an idea of what I mean). |
You state that most if not all movie made today are crap and unoriginal and also that you miss the good ole days when every other movie, shown at the local drive-in, was a marvelous spectacle of vivid human emotion.
The way the industry works is that it does get at a lot of ‘good’ scripts a day but only those that WILL sell are produced. A clever thriller, about a psychotic murderer hunting down the family members of a certain female police officer while at the same time seducing her and helping her solving the case, will not be made because the American audience, for which most of today’s 'Hollywood' movies are made, will not understand it and therefore hate the movie. And since word of mouth is popular these days the movie will not make a lot of money.
| fisk wrote: | | I don't know the specifics you refer to here, but I'd say 95% of today's dramas are basically pretentious crap. |
Well yeah it’s not like every drama will be an instant classic.  But once a year you get at least one good movie. And that’s good. 
And I’m sorry for being retarded. I just inhaled a whole lot of plastic and the effects take a long time to wear off. 
But I know what you're saying so we're on the same boat just you're the captain and I’m the stow-away.
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year, running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears. Wish you were here. |
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005 04:32 Post subject: |
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The last film I REALLY enjoyed was Kill Bill. There's been some films I've liked but nothing really "great".
Im a cockfag
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| Posted: Tue, 8th Mar 2005 06:52 Post subject: |
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I can agree with most of your arguments though I thing we still see some rather good movies like Life, The Machinist, Secret Window, Million Dollar Baby,
those movies did not disappointed me I just think many Directors, Writers etc are experimenting with the movies nowadays and some suck though other are quite worthy... Anyway thats just my opinion
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Mar 2005 17:45 Post subject: |
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there are some good movies made the last 5 years.
but i have the feeling, movies are now being made because of the actor/actress which are currently "hot" in hollywood. Also to make quick money.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Mar 2005 19:31 Post subject: |
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Most of the things you all said is true for mainstream hollywood movies, and especially for action movies. I don't bother watching these anymore, maybe it's because i'm getting older and most of them are made for teenagers. But if you look at smaller productions you can still find decent or good movies. Most or all of the recent movies i have watched and liked were marked as "limited", so a huge budget or media campaign doesn't imply quality. And most of these "limited" movies were dramas, so i agree with psychoace that the action genre is dead at the moment. Some of the movies i enjoyed watching recently were Imaginery Heroes, Tom White, Enduring Love and A Love Song For Bobby Long, they may not have the potential to become classics, but i enjoyed watching them non the less.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Mar 2005 21:55 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | outtanames wrote: | | I think we get many crap movies nowdays aswell, but among them you can STILL find great movies like, "Ray", Eastwood's MDB, Saw, Collateral, The Machinist...and lots more. |
If I hear anyone call Saw a good (let along great FFS) movie again I'm going to shit my pants.
How can you even lump a movie which is mediocre at best in with those from Eastwood or Mann? Let alone to compare them with Fisk's list which includes some of the greats like Coppola, Kubrick, Hitchcock, Cameron, Stone etc etc.
Even mentioning Saw in the same forum is a fucking travesty. |
SAW is a good movie man. |
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Mar 2005 23:29 Post subject: |
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Hey I liked Saw. I really enjoyed it. But I can see why people wouldn't like it. Now lets not turn this into a Saw bashing topic.
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Mar 2005 23:42 Post subject: |
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We aren't bashing saw we are bashing a bad movie 
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year, running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears. Wish you were here.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Mar 2005 02:31 Post subject: |
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"The whole movie could suck balls but give them an ending and they will see the best movie ever"
And that is what we saw in saw; a shitty thriller with an unexpected ending. Who cares about the plot? Who cares about the plot holes? Who gives a flying shitty fuck about the acting that could give Keanu an Oscar nomination? All we care is about the feeling at the back of our necks when the final credits roll. And that feeling made the movie feel brilliant. It is what we will never forget. Who actually remembers the names of the other characters? Who actually remembers the names of the police officers? Who remembers the first clue? Nobody! Who remembers the ending? Everyone! What do the people talk about when they discuss saw? Not the plot, not the character development and not the set design but the unexpected ending that shocked the whole world! That is what made saw a great movie!
Was it a good movie? Nope 
-boy it looked like I wrote allot in the little text box when you write the post
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Well I thought it was a good movie. You think it's a bad movie. It's our opinions. Not fact. But there were many many movies that came out this year that were better than Saw. That one guy put Saw with MDB, Ray, Collateral, and The Machinist which he shouldn't cause Saw isn't close to being as good as those movies. I thought the best movie of 2004 was Million Dollar Baby.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Mar 2005 04:40 Post subject: |
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I would have picked aviator
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| Injurious wrote: | | I would have picked aviator |
I must disagree, my fellow member of the "I hate Saw" club. Merely OK. I'm still out on what movie was better in 2004, MDB or Eternal Sunshine. I just watched 'Maria Full of Grace' (up for best actress). I liked that movie better than the Aviator too.
| hahe wrote: | | Well I thought it was a good movie. You think it's a bad movie. It's our opinions. Not fact. But there were many many movies that came out this year that were better than Saw. That one guy put Saw with MDB, Ray, Collateral, and The Machinist which he shouldn't cause Saw isn't close to being as good as those movies. I thought the best movie of 2004 was Million Dollar Baby. |
That was kinda my point to begin with. If legions of people weren't saying that Saw is the best thing since sliced bread, I wouldn't be so ... you know ... upset with the whole situation. I even like the Toxic Avenger (and own originals of part I and IV on DVD) ... so it's not like I can't enjoy bad movies. Also among my favourites are Dead Alive (aka Braindead), Bad Taste, Evil Dead Trilogy, anything Romero ... so it's not like I'm not a fan of the genre!
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Mar 2005 18:07 Post subject: |
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| Griffon wrote: | Injur, its pretty funny that one topic you say Saw is a goooood movie and in the other topic you say it sucks. Same thing in MSN :/
Make your mind! |
Read my post! I said what makes it a good movie! But all in all the movie sucks!
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Saw is a good movie. Terrible acting but hey we are watching it for entertainment not for the plot holes etc...
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Decent acting makes the movie entertaining. Makes it believable! Terrible acting just ruins the feel and in the end ruins the movie.
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Aviator sucks. 2 reasons : DiCaprio and DiCaprio.
Eternal Sunshine sucked too.
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That's mature let's hate a good movie because of one actor. And let’s love a bad movie because... the fuck for can you love saw?
'DiCaprio' is a good actor. He's better than those no-talented fucks in saw. So shut the fuck up. Please. And don't try to talk about movies. Your taste sucks and you have no idea what makes a good movie. Go back to your 'Oh wow the ending just blew me away BEST MOVIE EVER!" bullshit you conjure up every time you think you’re watching a good movie.
Fuck… you just pissed me off and I had such a good day.
MDB’s story blew. It was a typical eastwood story. The ACTING the CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT and the DIRECTING made it a good movie. Unlike saw where all you had was a shitty story.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Mar 2005 19:19 Post subject: |
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Saw was over hyped. Some said it was going to be like Se7en. The trailers had me interested enough to go see this film in the theater and it was a huge disappointment. Even the ending was lame. OK, it wasn't expected but it was nothing revolutionary. Not to mention the acting was laughable.
Edit: come to think of it, I dont think I like any movie Danny Glover has been in...
edit again: after skimming imdb i forgot he was in The Royal Tannenbaums. Oh yea and Operation Dumbo Drop  
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