When I was 18-20 I was like most young people, pretty happy about having the power to choose from right and wrong and make this country better and whatnot...
Now at 25 I just don't give a shit. I mean, even tho voting makes a difference as in which of the political parties comes to the Parliament etc. it doesn't affect me any way personally. And the same goes for most people. Norway is a good country and all in all the political parties have pretty similar ground values even tho they seem very different.
Real democracy would be like one of those polls on websites:
Motorway from a to b, speedlimit:
a: 110 kmh
b: 120 kmh
c: 130 kmh
B wins, no discussions, no bullshit. The poll is the law!
Doubt it would work well for bigger decisions, and we should not forget that people are idiots
I'd love to be able to vote. Am living in this country all my life and have not the ability to cast a vote. This is one of the main reasons I am going to switch my citizenship.
The party I vote for ALWAYS just gets one single seat in our parliament.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
I think that the problem isn't in voting. It's in not having many options.
You have party A and party B who have been on power, all the minor parties must side with the winning side, and don't usually have a vote in a damn thing. So after some time, ppl who do vote are mostly those who are very loyal to their parties, and are usually getting something in return.
And most of the ppl just think that it's useless, and that nothing will ever change (wrong!). If the majority of the ppl vote, and vote for someone totally new (with a reasonable program tho, not some 'green nut'), maybe the things would change, and that would restore faith in the whole process...
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chiv wrote:
thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.
I think that the problem isn't in voting. It's in not having many options.
You have party A and party B who have been on power, all the minor parties must side with the winning side, and don't usually have a vote in a damn thing. So after some time, ppl who do vote are mostly those who are very loyal to their parties, and are usually getting something in return.
And most of the ppl just think that it's useless, and that nothing will ever change (wrong!). If the majority of the ppl vote, and vote for someone totally new (with a reasonable program tho, not some 'green nut'), maybe the things would change, and that would restore faith in the whole process...
Nope.
Even with people that were reasonable before joining the government there is either a sudden change of speech and action or a state of complete powerlessness due to the old usual boys club.
At least around here.
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
I think that the problem isn't in voting. It's in not having many options.
You have party A and party B who have been on power, all the minor parties must side with the winning side, and don't usually have a vote in a damn thing. So after some time, ppl who do vote are mostly those who are very loyal to their parties, and are usually getting something in return.
And most of the ppl just think that it's useless, and that nothing will ever change (wrong!). If the majority of the ppl vote, and vote for someone totally new (with a reasonable program tho, not some 'green nut'), maybe the things would change, and that would restore faith in the whole process...
Nope.
Even with people that were reasonable before joining the government there is either a sudden change of speech and action or a state of complete powerlessness due to the old usual boys club. At least around here.
Same here in croatia, we have our own "state" from '91, we are only voting/changing 2 parties SDP and HDZ from '91, left and right, and with all the promises from both that situation will be better, we have mass corruption, stealing millions of dollars (kuna) out of the country, selling own national companies (oil company for example) to strangers, higher bills, higher imports, higher costs of food, no jobs etc. And same thing is happening from 91'. Well, for sure someone is holding strings from outside, and i see the same examples in other countries on global level, what is fucking wrong ffs. Only country in the world who is now recovering from global crisis is Island with no bailout for the banks on referendum in 2010/11.
Until the mafia boys and Berlusconi are alive, the opposition can always count on my vote, too bad that the true left wing basically doesn't exist anymore here. They've all become either corrupts or slaves of the church (which is basically the same thing). No wonder why the ~50% of the italian people don't vote nowadays.
In the 'states your vote doesn't count. If you think it does, you're deluding yourself. Never voted, never will - waste of time and effort. The system is so far gone and beyond the reach of any non-connected (rich and powerful) citizen that it's pointless to do so.
What it comes down to is fuck all the suits - let 'em play their games of one-upsmanship - the only people you can count on are your friends (and hopefully) neighbors.
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Until the mafia boys and Berlusconi are alive, the opposition can always count on my vote, too bad that the true left wing basically doesn't exist anymore here. They've all become either corrupts or slaves of the church (which is basically the same thing). No wonder why the ~50% of the italian people don't vote nowadays.
Leftism always leads to mob rule, never has there been an exception. But I too agree, if I'd have to chose between leftists or a "conservative" like Berlusconi, the leftists would get my vote.
Same here in croatia, we have our own "state" from '91, we are only voting/changing 2 parties SDP and HDZ from '91, left and right, and with all the promises from both that situation will be better, we have mass corruption, stealing millions of dollars (kuna) out of the country, selling own national companies (oil company for example) to strangers, higher bills, higher imports, higher costs of food, no jobs etc. And same thing is happening from 91'. Well, for sure someone is holding strings from outside, and i see the same examples in other countries on global level, what is fucking wrong ffs. Only country in the world who is now recovering from global crisis is Island with no bailout for the banks on referendum in 2010/11.
lol it's like I'm reading about Serbia, just different names.
We are at the brink of catastrophe and I'm seriosly thinking about emigration, most probably to Canada. It's shit here for the last 20 years but I can't stand this stress anymore and I definitely don't want to raise kids here with all the systematic corruption everywhere around me. Fucking criminals and their buddies politicians.
I'd love to be able to vote. Am living in this country all my life and have not the ability to cast a vote. This is one of the main reasons I am going to switch my citizenship.
You can have mine if you want.
Just tell me who you want to vote for next time and I'll do it for you
Because I surely never know who to vote because they all suck imho. It was always a "vote for the lesser evil" for me..
aevis wrote:
keewee23 wrote:
zipfero wrote:
Wrong.
ok
Elaborate! Both of you, i think it could lead to an interesting discussion.
What's there to discuss? It's just logical. You either decide to live that illusion or you don't.
Voting is good - problem is that there are people who vote with the excuse "I've always voted on these guys!" without actually reading up on what they stand for today. Also, shitloads of people vote on a specific party just cos of one single thing and not the whole package (could be about immigrants/wellfare or what ever).
Then there are people who actually don't know anything about them more than "my dad votes on them so I do it too".
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
I would make this a must! In my country not 50% of the ppl vote, but they all bitch how the government sucks. Well you suck if you vote. Go and vote, give your vote to someone, it doesn't have to be the ppl currently in power, give it to the underdog, see if this will change something.
Saying that voting doesn't change a thing, and not voting is major bullshit! And those conspiracy theories that there are 'major sources of power that are pulling all the strings'
The sources of the power are corporations who want the profit that is making the world change.
I used to love those conspiracy stuff, because they sound so nice and reasonable, but when you scratch the surface it's all bs...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson
chiv wrote:
thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found.
lol what conspiracy theories?
That kind of shit is as clear as day in here, you either are corrupt from the get go, get corrupted while you're there or want to actually do something but find that your hands are tied.
Case in point: a law was passed a few years back limiting the term number of terms for the various city halls; however, due to a stupid slip up related to a pronoun it's not clear if it limits the term of that politician on that particular city hall or for every city hall.
The person who drafted the law says it's the latter, the main parties who approved it say/think it's the former(who coincidently have their politicians on those city halls, of course) and our glorious president is, as always, sleepwalking on the matter while globe-trotting and doing his usual useless bullshit, while praying to lord jesus and our lady of fatima to pull us out of this crisis
So now the text of the law and the law itself will be reviewed by the courts(), but more than likely there won't be a decision until later this year, when those particular type of elections take place.
Oh, and making voting mandatory?
That would probably only mean a rise in blank votes, I know that's what I would do at least.
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), but more than likely there won't be a decision until later this year, when those particular type of elections take place. 
