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tw1st
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 Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 17:52 Post subject: Drugs are bad, mmkay. |
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Used to be very close friends with this guy, he started snorting heroin then shooting it and fucking up his life. I tried to remain his friend but he changed so much and lies to me, talks shit about me and my girlfriend behind our backs, constantly in trouble, always asking to borrow money.
In this past year alone....
- He beats up an older Polish guy for getting him fired for stealing money...
- Goes to court because of said fight, gets community service
- Gets arrested for dealing heroin in a school zone, gets locked up.
- Gets arrested again for driving under the influence of heroin, and possession.
- I read an article about him in our local newspaper, heroin of course, locked up.
- He is sueing the police dept. for slandering his name, and wrongly arresting him.
- I see him high in the parking lot, doing drugs deals in the street. Hanging out with shady people who also use heroin.
- I'm pretty sure he owes money to the "wrong people" now.
- Last night, he is in the parking lot, I see him through my apartment window, some guy punches him a few times and drives off. He didnt even put up a fight... just walked away.
The sad thing is we used to be such good friends, he turned my other 2 friends against me, because I was focusing on my GF who I had met and spending my free time with her.
Sucks to see him like this, I even tried to help him... His mother is the kindest person I ever met, she asked me to be part of his life again.... but I just can't man. He turned into this terrible person and all he cares about is getting his next fix.
Drugs are bad, mmkay?
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 18:26 Post subject: |
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You're doing the right thing by not being his friend anymore imo. Heroin changes people. Just think of it like this, if he really needed a hit he would have no problem stabbing you and taking your money. You don't need that in you life.
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 18:29 Post subject: |
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Or even if it doesn't come to physical assault, he'd certainly have no qualms about breaking into your home and stealing your property to sell for "gear" I'm with Newty; you're absolutely doing the right thing. It may be painful losing someone that was once a good friend, but you can't help him now, he has to help himself --- and by that I mean he has to help himself quit injecting, rather than helping himself to your property.
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tw1st
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 18:38 Post subject: |
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Around here you are associated with the company you keep, and this is definitely not the company you would want to keep, nothing but trouble.
I think he was first hurt by the fact that I backed away from him so much, maybe he felt abandoned, but I just did not want any part of this in my life...
I've honestly never seen drugs affect someone like this, it's completely insane to me. I can't believe someone could let heroin rule their life to this point. It's fucking sick!
It isn't about what am I going to eat, am I hungry? do I have clean clothes on my back, I need a job for money... but rather... how can I get my next fix?
Seriously, it's pretty fucked up.
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 18:55 Post subject: |
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A cousin of mine destroyed his brain using drugs, i shared a lot with them since a kid, always a cool kind of guy, they were three brothers, amazing people, one year i went to our grandmother and he looked thin, kind of looking in thought always, still we talked and went out and all was cool.
Next year i heard that they overdosed or something, when i saw him, man he was standing in an open field, dark skinned, under the hottest fucking sun of the day, just there standing. He talked gibberish, nonsense, he couldnt focus on a conversation nor walk or keep a stance, he was so fucked up. Even on the way back to home i was talking about it with some relatives and i couldnt hold back getting teary, its horrible to think someone i knew and who was so nice came out like this.
That left a strong impression on me.
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 19:46 Post subject: |
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Give him the old switcheru, a comp so he can get addicted to computer games, better than being addicted to heroin (unless it's COD then it's worse).
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 20:00 Post subject: |
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Out of curiosity. Why not say in this case do not do Heroin? because clearly not all drugs are bad. Heroin can be really bad as you have aptly described. But why no nuance ?
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tw1st
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 20:22 Post subject: |
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I'm not going to lie, I've done my share of drugs as well, I was once an avid pot smoker and I have dabbled in some drugs people would consider "hardcore". It was all within moderation, never impacted my job performance, studies, or responsibilities, I wouldn't let it. I got sick of it and grew up, moved onto other better things.
You know when they taught us at school "Weed is the gateway drug" I fucking laughed in their faces because I knew it wasn't true. And while my drug journey has ended already, I can totally see how that statement is true now...
Don't get me wrong I'm not some anti-drug preacher, I'm just basing this off of what I've seen it do to my friend and others I have known in my life.
There is a time and place for drugs for some people, people will experiment and that is fine. In your early to mid 20's you can get away with a lot. If you go beyond that, you will have some serious issues in your life and it becomes harder and harder to let go.
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 20:41 Post subject: |
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Thanks for your clarification.
I always thought that by saying cannabis is a getaway drug the theory is that once you start to use cannabis you will eventually move on to coke and heroin and whatever else is really shitty like crack and meth? Is that what happened to your friend ?
Because personally I have been using cannabis for years now and I have never moved on to something else. And I hardly ever use other drugs like alcohol as I hate to get drunk. The only other drugs I use on a regular basis are coffee and prescribed anti arthritis medication.
But then I live in The Netherlands were we have separated soft drugs from hard drugs so I will hardly ever come in contact with drug dealers that deal in other drugs. So I have never been tempted so to say to try out harder drugs.
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 21:00 Post subject: |
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| Anticasper wrote: | | Out of curiosity. Why not say in this case do not do Heroin? because clearly not all drugs are bad. Heroin can be really bad as you have aptly described. But why no nuance ? |
One does not simply just stop taking heroin. It will take something big to happen, or a big change in himself to give him a reason to quit.
I worked with a heroin addict at a well known tyre company here in the UK. Some days he would be so weak that he couldn't undo a bolt. Another time I saw him cross-thread all the bolts putting a wheel back on, he just didn't care. He would get paid at the end of the month and spend it all within a few days on smack.
I also dated a girl who used to inject heroin, she didn't tell me until a while after. She had gone cold turkey after watching her bf at the time OD. She hasn't touched it again since and has done really well for herself. She still needs a glass of vodka every night though, to get rid of the cravings (not sure if cravings is the right word)
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tw1st
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 21:11 Post subject: |
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| Anticasper wrote: | Thanks for your clarification.
I always thought that by saying cannabis is a getaway drug the theory is that once you start to use cannabis you will eventually move on to coke and heroin and whatever else is really shitty like crack and meth? Is that what happened to your friend ?
Because personally I have been using cannabis for years now and I have never moved on to something else. And I hardly ever use other drugs like alcohol as I hate to get drunk. The only other drugs I use on a regular basis are coffee and prescribed anti arthritis medication.
But then I live in The Netherlands were we have separated soft drugs from hard drugs so I will hardly ever come in contact with drug dealers that deal in other drugs. So I have never been tempted so to say to try out harder drugs. |
This is exactly what happened to my friend. He started with weed, moved to prescription drugs, then ecstasy, shrooms, acid, cocaine, snorting heroin and ultimately shooting it. It was a downward spiral from the very begging.
It's like a never ending chase for the ultimate high, and when one drug no longer provides an "adequate" high, you find a stronger substitute.
@newty
yup, it grabs you by the balls and doesn't let go. It's a very sad way of life. Happy to hear your friend was able to kick it though, maybe there is some light at the end of the tunnel for him after all. The worst part is that something drastic would need to happen, maybe an OD, or someone getting hurt. A lot of the times it's already too late. I feel like he is right on that line of being "too far gone".
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 21:16 Post subject: |
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Would you think if you guys would have had a system like we have in the Netherlands it could have turned out in a different way or do you think the personality of your friend was so damaged that he would have kept going down that dark path regardless of how a society deals with drugs ?
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 21:46 Post subject: |
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weed is a total gateway drug, only teenagers who just started smoking dope will swear it isnt so,
anyone who has had more experience will fully agree.
you dont just simply start shooting up heroin, it always starts with weed and then you take a little step further one by one at a time.
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 22:05 Post subject: |
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I;ve known a guy who used to be on something 24/7. So focking sad. You went to cinema, he had to go take a 'piss' after 1h. He came back stoned as a camel. You had a drink afterwards, he had to take a piss again. You went karting, he stopped halfway to take a 'piss'. He was doing coke, lsd, xtc, ghb, crappy selfmade crap, you name it. He sacrified everything fun to take a hit.
A normal person has variation in a day by doing different things. He had variation by taking differnt drugs and then flush it away with booze and watch tv.
What can you do? Nothing, he has parents who need to love him unconditionally, you don't have to.
He was 20 years old and focking plant. He couldnt talk straight for 2 minutes, couldnt keep a job longer than a day.... And he was living at home. If parents let their kid go that far, there is nothing you can do. Avoid it and move on. Take your loss and protect yourself.
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 22:27 Post subject: |
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| The_Zeel wrote: | weed is a total gateway drug, only teenagers who just started smoking dope will swear it isnt so,
anyone who has had more experience will fully agree.
you dont just simply start shooting up heroin, it always starts with weed and then you take a little step further one by one at a time. |
I completely disagree. I am a happy cannabis user for more than 20 years and I have never felt I needed other drugs. But then I do not live in a country that wages war on drugs and also we educate our people about the consequences of drug addiction. Cannabis can be used fine in moderation for long periods of time without any major consequences. It is saddening to see people being so ignorant about something as harmless as cannabis.
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 22:30 Post subject: |
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by that logic beer is the biggest gateway drug
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 23:15 Post subject: |
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| Anticasper wrote: | | The_Zeel wrote: | weed is a total gateway drug, only teenagers who just started smoking dope will swear it isnt so,
anyone who has had more experience will fully agree.
you dont just simply start shooting up heroin, it always starts with weed and then you take a little step further one by one at a time. |
I completely disagree. I am a happy cannabis user for more than 20 years and I have never felt I needed other drugs. But then I do not live in a country that wages war on drugs and also we educate our people about the consequences of drug addiction. Cannabis can be used fine in moderation for long periods of time without any major consequences. It is saddening to see people being so ignorant about something as harmless as cannabis. |
while physically harmless, it does change your lifestyle when used alot on a daily basis, many people get very lazy and start failing their exams, constantly calling in sick to work etc.
went through a phase like that myself and have seen many others who did too, some of them are still stuck in it for years and just not doing anything with their lives. nowadays i only do it once in a few weeks for good buzz, after using it for a few days the high already isnt very good anymore and you just dont feel like doing anything.
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 23:26 Post subject: |
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| Anticasper wrote: | | The_Zeel wrote: | weed is a total gateway drug, only teenagers who just started smoking dope will swear it isnt so,
anyone who has had more experience will fully agree.
you dont just simply start shooting up heroin, it always starts with weed and then you take a little step further one by one at a time. |
I completely disagree. I am a happy cannabis user for more than 20 years and I have never felt I needed other drugs. But then I do not live in a country that wages war on drugs and also we educate our people about the consequences of drug addiction. Cannabis can be used fine in moderation for long periods of time without any major consequences. It is saddening to see people being so ignorant about something as harmless as cannabis. |
That's the thing though, whether or not is really is a gateway drug I think really depends on the type of person and their personality. I know guys who only smoke pot and that's that, they are perfectly happy with it and don't need anything else. I was like this for a while as well, but then being an idiot and having peer pressure I tried other ones; luckily i was able to stop before any real damage.
Then again, prescription pills can also be considered a gateway drug.
I do think that less criminalization of pot around here would help, but only by a small margin.
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| Posted: Mon, 13th May 2013 23:31 Post subject: |
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fuck all the chemical shit why can't everyone just smoke weed, man?
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| Posted: Tue, 14th May 2013 00:24 Post subject: |
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| The_Zeel wrote: | | anyone who has had more experience will fully agree. |
actually not even partially.
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| Posted: Tue, 14th May 2013 00:32 Post subject: |
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there is no such thing as a gateway drug. Nobody in the history of mankind ever went from weed to heroin, because of weed.
People who end up with heroin may have smoked (or smoke) weed, but there is zero connection as to why they started using Heroin what so ever. Usually they may start with weed, because they already crave something, that they're missing in life and eventually end up with Heroin, but at no point is it the weed (nor any other drug for that matter) that makes them want to try H.
Never did taking one drug made me want to take another drug ... and i don't think that was ever the case for anyone lol.
I mean, how many people did you meet, who said one day "i am high on weed, lets do Heroin !".
Yeah .. never. Exactly.
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| Posted: Tue, 14th May 2013 00:48 Post subject: |
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Weed is a gateway drug in the same sense as bungee jumping is a gateway to base jumping.
If you are predisposed to requiring more and more without saying no, then you will end up seeking more potent drugs, just as adrenalin junkies will not be satisfied with the rope around their ankles after a while.
Millions of people use weed recreationally without ever having the need to move on to something more potent.
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| Posted: Tue, 14th May 2013 01:36 Post subject: |
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I have weed alot but ill be canning it soon for good, I've also had cocain or charlie as they call it here, not much i don't like the shit really, I've bought it once a 20 pound bag, doesn't really do anything to me tbh.
I'll be stopping this shit very soon, i only ever have it when i go out with my mates and thats when im drunk.
Never ever will you see me take anything other then these two.
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| Posted: Tue, 14th May 2013 01:38 Post subject: |
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| zmed wrote: | Weed is a gateway drug in the same sense as bungee jumping is a gateway to base jumping.
If you are predisposed to requiring more and more without saying no, then you will end up seeking more potent drugs, just as adrenalin junkies will not be satisfied with the rope around their ankles after a while.
Millions of people use weed recreationally without ever having the need to move on to something more potent. |
I never smoke weed in big groups i go soo quiet it isn't funny, i have it soemtimes when im at a freinds house but mainlyh smoke it at night when on my computer never through the day.
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| Theescapist wrote: | I have weed alot but ill be canning it soon for good, I've also had cocain or charlie as they call it here, not much i don't like the shit really, I've bought it once a 20 pound bag, doesn't really do anything to me tbh.
I'll be stopping this shit very soon, i only ever have it when i go out with my mates and thats when im drunk.
Never ever will you see me take anything other then these two. |
Coke doesn't do anything to you? You sure that bag you bought wasn't just powdered milk?
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| Posted: Tue, 14th May 2013 14:14 Post subject: |
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My girlfriend ran into him after she was getting home from work yesterday, he was with one of his junkie friends. She said as soon as he noticed her he tried to basically walk the other way very quickly (probably cause he was so high and did not want her to see it).
He's going to either end up in jail or having an OD :/
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| Posted: Tue, 14th May 2013 20:22 Post subject: |
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Sad to hear this mate, but like others said, you have to let go, no other choice. At the end of the day one is responsible for oneself.
About weed - I too think it is a gateway drug, but not everyone (not even the majority) end up making a step further.
I do however have a few friends, who used to be good friends, now they're potheads, they only do weed, but it destroyed their future completely - they started with a little, couldn't control it, and now they are slow as fuck about everything. I basically cut off contact, because it irritated me, how they fucked their lives up.
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| Posted: Tue, 14th May 2013 20:58 Post subject: |
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| zmed wrote: | Weed is a gateway drug in the same sense as bungee jumping is a gateway to base jumping.
If you are predisposed to requiring more and more without saying no, then you will end up seeking more potent drugs, just as adrenalin junkies will not be satisfied with the rope around their ankles after a while. |
This is sooo true! Great quote!
@OP: You need to let him go. You are not responsible for his life. If you tried to help him, and that didn't work out, then there is nothing for you to do.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th May 2013 10:30 Post subject: |
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Quote from Rocknrolla
"Junkies, as any junkie will tell you, are not to be trusted. Not because they take what doesn't belong to them, but because they're junkies"
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