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 Posted: Tue, 9th Apr 2013 21:59 Post subject: No One Lives Forever IP rights |
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At this date it seems that no one is aware who is actually the owner of the rights over the NOLF franchise. Neither Activision, Fox Interactive or Monolith don't seem to be able to answer the question, as the rights were sold while Vivendi/Sierra sold the rights while merging with Activision and changed their name to Blizzard.
More here:
http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/22554/mystery-who-owns-the-rights-to-no-one-lives-forever
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Sin317
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Apr 2013 22:00 Post subject: |
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doesn't matter much, if the original team isn't making them.
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Apr 2013 22:02 Post subject: |
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Actually i'd like to see a re-release on GOG. But you do have a point. If the original Monolith team doesn't make them, no point in a new game.
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Apr 2013 22:22 Post subject: |
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It seems that they've sold the rights to Vivendi, which sold them further....And one more thing: Vivendi was never closed. It became Blizzard and it's the majority shareholder in the Activision/Blizzard merger
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Apr 2013 22:40 Post subject: |
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vivendi only sold its game stuff to activision (mainly blizzard).
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Apr 2013 22:47 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Apr 2013 22:54 Post subject: |
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Well if they don't know it, I guess we the people own it! 
tho in all honesty if they don't know it all parties involved should just go: give it to the creator.
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Apr 2013 23:04 Post subject: |
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| MORPHINEUS wrote: | Well if they don't know it, I guess we the people own it!
tho in all honesty if they don't know it all parties involved should just go: give it to the creator. |
FOX haven't commented actually. I'm pretty sure they own it.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Apr 2013 23:14 Post subject: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivendi
Vivendi is the main shareholder in the Activision/Blizzard.
Anyway, i'd like to see Fox's comment on the subject.
Gaming history and the movements in the industry is a subject that interest me much, so i'm rarely wrong.
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Sin317
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Apr 2013 23:23 Post subject: |
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ah yeah, it was vivendi, which owned blizzard, merging with activision. But anyway, the IP is dead and there will never be another.
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Apr 2013 23:26 Post subject: |
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@blackdochia The thing is I don't think Vivendi ever owned the IP rights. For example NOLF2 which was published by Sierra (owned by Vivendi) was still connected to FOX:
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/games_nolf.html
| Quote: | NVIDIA: For first person shooter fanatics, what would you like to say about NOLF2 that makes it fresh and new?
Chris Miller, Fox Interactive: I'll tell you what NOLF 2 is, it's funny! That's what I believe will draw people to it. It's a game with an incredibly rich story line, great characters that are not easily forgotten and a sense of style that will keep gamers coming back again and again to find all the subtle gems in this title. |
To me it seems Vivendi were only the publishers, not the copyright holders.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Apr 2013 23:28 Post subject: |
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Ah right me bad, thought Fox commented. 
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Apr 2013 23:33 Post subject: |
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@consolitis
| Quote: | | Fox Interactive published the original game on PC in 2000, but it was acquired by Vivendi, and the PlayStation 2 version was published by Sierra. Vivendi Universal merged with Activision in 2007 to form Activision-Blizzard, and Sierra properties were sold off. |
Sierra definitely owned the IP at one time, as they've made that atrocious Contract J.A.C.K.
Vivendi sold a lot of the Sierra's IP's and studios when they've merged with Activision, becoming one of the largest publishers around (Vivendi owns 52% of Activision/Blizzard, so basically they call the shots).
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Apr 2013 23:40 Post subject: |
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| blackdochia wrote: | @consolitis
| Quote: | | Fox Interactive published the original game on PC in 2000, but it was acquired by Vivendi, and the PlayStation 2 version was published by Sierra. Vivendi Universal merged with Activision in 2007 to form Activision-Blizzard, and Sierra properties were sold off. |
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The PS2 version was released before NOLF2.
But you can see with your own eyes in my previous post that FOX was still connected to the franchise when NOLF2 was released.
If they had sold all rights, trademarks whatever they wouldn't give interviews to promote NOLF2.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Apr 2013 23:41 Post subject: |
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FOX Interactive was bought by Vivendi, that's what I'm trying to say here. With everything they've ever released to that point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Interactive
Already pointed towards the fact that Vivendi made a mediocre at best sequel. They couldn't have done that if they wouldn't have the rights over the franchise.
Also, i don't recall NOLF 2 to ever been released on PS2. Windows/Mac, yes. NOLF 2 was published by Sierra. NOLF 1 by Fox Interactive. Also, NOLF 1 was ported on PS2 after the Windows release. Contract JACK was published by Vivendi Universal Games (VU Games is the shot and it's the original name of the Vivendi gaming division that acquired Sierra, being rebranded as Vivendi Entertainment and ending as Blizzard in our days).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Operative:_No_One_Lives_Forever
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_One_Lives_Forever_2:_A_Spy_in_H.A.R.M.'s_Way
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_J.A.C.K.
Should clear the things a bit. You can't use assets (game world, characters,names) if you don't own the damn thing.
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Apr 2013 23:49 Post subject: |
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| blackdochia wrote: | FOX Interactive was bought by Vivendi, that's what I'm trying to say here. With everything they've ever released to that point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Interactive
Already pointed towards the fact that Vivendi made a mediocre at best sequel. They couldn't have done that if they wouldn't have the rights over the franchise. |
Right. I know that Fox Interactive were bought by Vivendi, that doesn't mean the IP didn't stay with 20th Century Fox. For example 20th Century Fox still owns the rights for AvP games despite Fox Interactive being sold to Vivendi->Activision.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Apr 2013 23:55 Post subject: |
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And Contract JACK supports the fact that the IP was sold to Vivendi.
News Corporation retained the rights on the games based on the movies made by 20th Century Fox: Alien, AvP, Independence Day, Die Hard. Anything else was for grabs.
Anyway, i really hope that whoever owns the rights will step forward. At least to say that the rights are not in some legal limbo.
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Apr 2013 00:04 Post subject: |
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Contract J.a.c.k began development months before the acquisition. Which means they had already arranged for it to be made, regardless of the later acquisition of Fox Inter.
| Quote: | GS: How long has the game been in the works at Monolith? How large a team is working on it?
CH: Most of the NOLF2 team has been involved in the development of this game, which began production at the beginning of the year. |
Vivendi acquired Fox by March.
So Contract J.a.c.k does not prove they could make any NOLF games they wanted because the deal for it was already signed when Fox Interactive was a separate company.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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I wonder if they will fix the Windows 8 issues if they are going to release it. It is a problem with how Windows 8 handles legacy DX games though and not a game/engine specific problem.
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=378393
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd May 2014 06:29 Post subject: |
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Let's hope that the quest for the NOLF rights ended...
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd May 2014 11:10 Post subject: |
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who cares who gets the IP for this. It wouldn't be the same developer behind it, so it's a 99% chance of failure lol. I LOVED nolf. But well, let it go. It's gone and dead. I rather not see a new one, that will tarnish the reputation of its ancestors lol.
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd May 2014 11:17 Post subject: |
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I hope they bring NOLF to Steam... some day..
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| Posted: Fri, 2nd May 2014 12:35 Post subject: |
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| madness wrote: | | I hope they bring NOLF to Steam soon |
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| Posted: Thu, 18th Sep 2014 13:52 Post subject: |
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NOLF HD remake? one can dream...
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| Posted: Thu, 18th Sep 2014 13:56 Post subject: |
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JaseC says:
| Quote: | WB has nothing to do with the games. The subtitles went with Monolith to WB, but the trademarks were left to rot (similarly, the entire Blood IP was sold to Atari  ). Fox owns the games themselves and I would assume Night Dive submitted the trademark filings because the two have worked something out. |
| Quote: | | It's hard to say. If somebody objects to Night Dive's trademark filings, that will at best delay or at worst derail the little hype train. If the trademarks are granted, though, then I'd say 50/50: Night Dive has one half of the equation (the trademarks) and only needs the other (the games themselves), but again it would strike me as super weird if ND's plan is to get the trademarks and then talk shop with Fox. |
Seems I was right then 
| consolitis wrote: | | FOX haven't commented actually. I'm pretty sure they own it. |
| consolitis wrote: | @blackdochia The thing is I don't think Vivendi ever owned the IP rights. For example NOLF2 which was published by Sierra (owned by Vivendi) was still connected to FOX:
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/games_nolf.html
| Quote: | NVIDIA: For first person shooter fanatics, what would you like to say about NOLF2 that makes it fresh and new?
Chris Miller, Fox Interactive: I'll tell you what NOLF 2 is, it's funny! That's what I believe will draw people to it. It's a game with an incredibly rich story line, great characters that are not easily forgotten and a sense of style that will keep gamers coming back again and again to find all the subtle gems in this title. |
To me it seems Vivendi were only the publishers, not the copyright holders. |
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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