Careful now, swedes, careful...
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towelie_swe




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PostPosted: Fri, 25th Feb 2005 19:10    Post subject: Careful now, swedes, careful...
Y'all probably already know this, but the cops in sweden (especially Stockholm) have started making a bunch of arrests of ppl uploading illegal files. they are know looking in some of the major hubs in sweden and can without warning come and confiscate your computer
as i said, u all know this, but an extra warning cant hurt!

have a look at http://www.piratbyran.org/index.php?view=forum&a=thread&id=22188


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PostPosted: Fri, 25th Feb 2005 19:23    Post subject:
Hmm I thought they only toke the HDD Razz


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PostPosted: Fri, 25th Feb 2005 22:19    Post subject:
Yes It's well known. What APB is doing now is to arrest some "big" guys to scare everyone else away from the P2P and FXP networks. At the moment they cannot make so many arrests because of the limited police resources. There are still many more fishes to fry when downloading becomes illegal. From what I've heard there has only been one arrest...

It's funny how a organization like this can use maffia methods and act like they were FBI. Sounds more like the big recording and publishing guys are desperate.
The cops most have been bribed somehow. What about that poor little girl that got raped some weeks ago? Nothing...

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PostPosted: Fri, 25th Feb 2005 22:49    Post subject:
whats the big deal?

Those laws already applied in the rest of the world, so they could investigate you anyway when you uploaded files to 'outside sweden servers'.

And stop about the girl getting raped. Cops do their job, and yes i know they leech it too, but what you gonna do about it?

Cops have the right to "investigate and confiscate anything that awakes the suspicion of being involved in any illegal activity."
Which means that they can take your computer when they see some cds lying around, even when they only came to take a look when you were pissing off the neighbours with some heavy music sounds Surprised, yes that's true Confused

Even taping, recording emails, recording gsm traffic is allowed when they suspect you begin involved in online illegal activities. And vice versa, when they are investigating something else and accidentaly find something related to piracy, they can, with no warning, immediately open an investigation. (as stated before).

Funiest thing is. The 'food chain' has to be ok. Cops can investigate, put you in jail. When the 'punish' laws are behind and judges/Public defender/Police chief are stupid(which happens in 90% of piracy cases) you get away very easily. But when you are one of those 10% with a judge/police chief etc who know what they are doing(as i expect them to be in specialised teams); you won't get away with cheap excuses, data "disappaering" Wink, procedure errors etc...
And you are in for some shitload of shit shit shit. The jailtime is not the worst thing, the $$$ you'll pay are. (not to mention the fact that you 'll have observed and restricted computer xs for the coming 3-5 years; which means you cant find a job ...)
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towelie_swe




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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Feb 2005 14:41    Post subject:
razor1394 wrote:
. From what I've heard there has only been one arrest...


actually, there has been atleast 8 arrestsin the past three days, or thats what APB says.
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Feb 2005 19:00    Post subject:
towelie_swe wrote:
razor1394 wrote:
. From what I've heard there has only been one arrest...


actually, there has been atleast 8 arrestsin the past three days, or thats what APB says.


And they're very reliable...


















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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Mar 2005 10:06    Post subject:
spankie wrote:
whats the big deal?
Even taping, recording emails, recording gsm traffic is allowed when they suspect you begin involved in online illegal activities. And vice versa, when they are investigating something else and accidentaly find something related to piracy, they can, with no warning, immediately open an investigation. (as stated before).


Actually don't they have to get warrants and crap to tap on ur phone and such intrusions on ur privacy? and isn't it so because cops shouldn't be able to harass people they hate, maybe in russia, but not in a country like sweden?

and oh, yeah, my knowledge is based on american cop-shows ^^
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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Mar 2005 10:23    Post subject:
Too bad for p2p and BT users then Razz
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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Mar 2005 10:51    Post subject:
Ok, the police now reports that approximately 10 busts has been made. It's more credible Smile.

Dirtpaw wrote:
spankie wrote:
whats the big deal?
Even taping, recording emails, recording gsm traffic is allowed when they suspect you begin involved in online illegal activities. And vice versa, when they are investigating something else and accidentaly find something related to piracy, they can, with no warning, immediately open an investigation. (as stated before).


Actually don't they have to get warrants and crap to tap on ur phone and such intrusions on ur privacy? and isn't it so because cops shouldn't be able to harass people they hate, maybe in russia, but not in a country like sweden?

and oh, yeah, my knowledge is based on american cop-shows ^^


I don't think so. It's America... Project echelon taps every americans telephone 24/7 to search for appropriate words. They also have satellites to discover almost everything. But maybe they do need warents when It's about a specific tapping. And spankie, this is not America and the government don't have the right to bugg us the same way your's does. We also have a law that protects user information from getting out.


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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Mar 2005 17:49    Post subject:
Project echelon does not only tap us phones and households, it's actually designed to sniff abroad. There is one base in Germany and one in England too, so they have the EU covered quite well.
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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Mar 2005 17:52    Post subject:
whoKnows wrote:
Project echelon does not only tap us phones and households, it's actually designed to sniff abroad. There is one base in Germany and one in England too, so they have the EU covered quite well.


But they have no juristicition over here so whats the point?

Anyway, US citizens are losing more rights by the day with bush in power. You only have to look at the patriot acts to know that.
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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Mar 2005 18:37    Post subject:
AnimalMother wrote:
whoKnows wrote:
Project echelon does not only tap us phones and households, it's actually designed to sniff abroad. There is one base in Germany and one in England too, so they have the EU covered quite well.


But they have no juristicition over here so whats the point?

Anyway, US citizens are losing more rights by the day with bush in power. You only have to look at the patriot acts to know that.


True, and they call it the "free country" when they're hiding proof of UFO's and extra terrestrial intelligence projects that takes like 40 billion us dollars from tax payers.
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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Mar 2005 18:50    Post subject:
razor1394 wrote:
AnimalMother wrote:
whoKnows wrote:
Project echelon does not only tap us phones and households, it's actually designed to sniff abroad. There is one base in Germany and one in England too, so they have the EU covered quite well.


But they have no juristicition over here so whats the point?

Anyway, US citizens are losing more rights by the day with bush in power. You only have to look at the patriot acts to know that.


True, and they call it the "free country" when they're hiding proof of UFO's and extra terrestrial intelligence projects that takes like 40 billion us dollars from tax payers.


You must have seen Peter.Jennings.Reporting.UFOs.Seeing.Is.Believing.HDTV.XviD-OMiCRON recently Wink
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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Mar 2005 18:59    Post subject:
Nope, I saw the Disclosure project 2001 and read a lot around the web. I wonder If they're ever going infront of the congress. I hope they will. I can understand the government to a certain point because of all the religions making nonsense, people getting confused and so but the advantages are greater.

And thanks for the tip about the show. I didn't even know that it was released.
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PostPosted: Wed, 2nd Mar 2005 10:57    Post subject:
razor1394 wrote:
Ok, the police now reports that approximately 10 busts has been made. It's more credible Smile.

Dirtpaw wrote:
spankie wrote:
whats the big deal?
Even taping, recording emails, recording gsm traffic is allowed when they suspect you begin involved in online illegal activities. And vice versa, when they are investigating something else and accidentaly find something related to piracy, they can, with no warning, immediately open an investigation. (as stated before).


Actually don't they have to get warrants and crap to tap on ur phone and such intrusions on ur privacy? and isn't it so because cops shouldn't be able to harass people they hate, maybe in russia, but not in a country like sweden?

Oki i admit i was maybe exagerating, i just wanted to say that the cops have a lot of power even without warning you/having warrants. There is a EU guideline which says "ISP should keep data for at least 1 -3 months", and cops are freely to contact those logs. In Holland there has recently been a new law which goes "Cops can investigate ISP logs to find pirates/terrorists".
So the other way around. Instead of first finding pirates then investigating. First logs, then find pirates. Concerning to say the least.

and oh, yeah, my knowledge is based on american cop-shows ^^


I don't think so. It's America... Project echelon taps every americans telephone 24/7 to search for appropriate words. They also have satellites to discover almost everything. But maybe they do need warents when It's about a specific tapping. And spankie, this is not America and the government don't have the right to bugg us the same way your's does. We also have a law that protects user information from getting out.



I was talking about my own experience. And i don't live in America, but in Belgium. Me and friend of mine did a joke, and the dude tought it was a bad joke, and went to police. We both weren't afraid because we knew we couldn't have trouble for the joke. But for some reason cops suspected teh pc of my friend. So they took it, no warrant or whatsoever. They discovered some shit on his pc, data traffic was monitored and we were screwed, luckely we could convince the dude that went to the cops to pull back his complaint, pc got back at my friend and we heard nothing more about it. Lucky us.
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PostPosted: Wed, 2nd Mar 2005 11:50    Post subject:
Ok, sometimes a call from Interpool pokes the cops.
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PostPosted: Wed, 2nd Mar 2005 20:53    Post subject:
Yeah but interpol wouldn't get involved in breach of copyright. Although they would in the cases of suspected terrorism.

So I guess we can consider ourselves safe in some regards.


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PostPosted: Wed, 2nd Mar 2005 20:59    Post subject:
Mmm, all I remember was a guy over here who got busted here because of hacking (faulse accused). The cops came with a whole swat team and took all his computers. Poor guy.
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