So the first Sarkeesian video is out.
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Mar 2013 23:49    Post subject: So the first Sarkeesian video is out.



So what did she do with those 150k? The quality looks the same, if not worse, than in her older videos.


Obviously she's pulling strawman arguments from the ass, like always, but to be honest the vid is a lot better than I expected.

But there are some things that are.. seriously. Almost at the beginning of the video she's complaining how a fucking VIDEO GAME ANTHROPOMORPHIC FOX is a sex object. What the hell are you smoking.

Not only that, but changes in development obviously happen. Oh wait, I'm sure Miyamoto is just sexist and THAT'S WHY they switched characters. What a load of bull.

And the whole "damsell in distress" trope is misunderstood by her (IMO).

True, in games of early 80/90s women were often captured and the goal was to free them. HOWEVER- do you think it was because of a sexualized trope, treating women as an object, a "prize" if you will? No.

It was because the main audience (men) care about women, even in a form of a video character. Developers knew that- creating a character (a woman) that you care about makes a psychological bind- I care about this character, I want her to be free and not be imprisoned by this ape/evil guy/whatever.
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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Mar 2013 23:56    Post subject:
who is that & who gave this person 150k?
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No one knows.
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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 00:02    Post subject:
And no one will ever know.
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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 00:03    Post subject:
"Comments are disabled for this video." Troll Dad

"Ratings have been disabled for this video." Troll Dad
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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 00:08    Post subject:
Neona, why waste time and give views/publicity to this joke of a woman?


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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 00:13    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
Neona, why waste time and give views/publicity to this joke of a woman?


because she will get hundreds of thousands of views.
she disabled comments.
she disabled ratings.

so to any investor she has now released a successful video.
more $$$
not only that but youtube is paying her per view. \o/


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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 00:15    Post subject:
I reported for abusive content. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 00:26    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
I reported for abusive content. Laughing

Let's all do that. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 00:29    Post subject:
im not giving her an extra view. Smug

if anything, playing a female character is more sexist then saving one. i for one always pick chicks in third person games so im at least staring at a chick's ass not some guys Very Happy

so sure, bring on more lead female chars and let us save butt ugly hairy men from castles. fine with me, you jaded feminist ho. Cool Face


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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 00:30    Post subject:
She knew to disable comments and likes Laughing


Oh sooo much hate for her. She is talking so much bullshit.. everyone lets report her for abuse Cool


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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 00:30    Post subject:
Lol yeah comments and likes disabled.

Yep, clicked on the flag:
Hateful or abusive content --> Promotes hatred or violence
Wrote that it's sexist against men.
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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 00:35    Post subject:
Talks about woman being presented as sex objects and she has full face makeup and earings. Too bad no cleavage.
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Also something to watch related to this....whatever IT is.

A nice deconstruction of this, errrr, character...
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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 00:42    Post subject:
"Apparently any woman who agress with a man on something like this is just too deeply oppressed that she doesn't know that she's being oppressed. It's funny how nobody is allowed to disagree with these kinds of feminists."

Well said.
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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 00:48    Post subject:
Interinactive wrote:
$150k

She deserves those. It's fucking stupid people who sent her money. Nobody forced em. She can rob people. she earned it Laughing


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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 01:20    Post subject:
blackdochia wrote:

A nice deconstruction of this, errrr, character...


that was awesome. holy hell what a manipulative whore.
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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 01:22    Post subject:
Interinactive wrote:
I just finished watching it, all I have to offer after that is a resounding 'No shit'.

Thanks for the amazing insight Anita lol wut That mole hill will be a mountain in no time.



Yup. A long video to effectively say nothing. That was some trope 101 stuff there... and she repeated a lot of the basics over and over. By the end of the video we're still talking about stuff you can understand just by knowing what the trope is and having a brain.
The worst part was that it was so ridiculously first order that it really does a disservice to the topic. 'Woman needs help? -> Supports Patriarchy' is a ridiculous link to make without having a deeper look at the writing, cinematography, our culture, and the details of the character herself.
Of course, the examples (in this first video at least) are so old that none of the characters (in the 'entity' sense) are true characters (in the literature sense) and none of the stories are narratives. Given these examples it's impossible to find good examples of 'women needing help' in narratives.
But guess what? It is completely and absolutely possible to write a really good female character who is victimized, or made powerless, or needs help, even ones who specifically need help from a man.

I do not think the "damsel in distress" trope is in any way sexist or intended as such. It's a natural conclusion of what your audience is and how creative you are. (The many many many older games she cited in this video aren't exactly masterfully crafted stories).

She strikes me as a person who has been taught many things but never learned anything. She has a predetermined point of view and is simply trying to push that view on others. At the same time ignoring what she could learn from her own information.

She doesn't present any kind of argument, only a brief and very insubstantial history lesson on pretty much the most common literary device in all of fiction (laughably suggesting that Andromeda is literally the original). Her reference to the WW1 recruitment poster as a meme is also strange. The problem is that her argument is an incredibly easy one (a lot of games use the damsel in distress trope, and that can easily be sexist) but there is no attempt to explore the greater cultural context, the psychological reasons why, or any kind of deep analysis. It's an argument we've seen many times before, repackaged with nothing new to say.
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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 01:27    Post subject:
@Neon watch those two videos. In the first one, her graduation thesis it's revealed as an empty piece of paper, with no original ideas and loads of quotes of what other people said. She can't even form her own opinion. I see a future politician there...
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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 01:52    Post subject:
In light of this thread, I find this to be appropiate!

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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 04:41    Post subject:
ivan1real wrote:
Talks about woman being presented as sex objects and she has full face makeup and earings. Too bad no cleavage.
So a woman only wears makeup (sexy clothes, fancy underwear, shorts,...) just to pleasure men and be a sex object? Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 05:03    Post subject:
150k given by a bunch of lonely nerds desperately trying to prove how progressive they are (i.e. 95% of NeoGAF members).
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wth??
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I see neon trying to make an honest and impassioned statement, but then right below I see...




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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 06:52    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
ivan1real wrote:
Talks about woman being presented as sex objects and she has full face makeup and earings. Too bad no cleavage.
So a woman only wears makeup (sexy clothes, fancy underwear, shorts,...) just to pleasure men and be a sex object? Rolling Eyes


well todays make up, fancy sexy clothes, etc are a product of the sex sells media which is dominated by men... a man sees a sexy outfit on tv he buys it for his girl. girl sees a model wearing a nice outfit that looks sexy she wants it. Because everyone else on the show/magazine praises the outfit and says how sexy it is.

So yes... women wear make up, wear sexy skimpy outfits because the media tells them to wear such things to be more attractive. Women with weight/skin disorders/ugly syndrome are told that they can get any man if they show cleavage, wear expensive make up and put out.

And they all do that. It's in our genes now to the point where you don't see it as the media telling you who to be, but you 'decide' who to be.

But anita isn't a feminist. she's a entertainer feminist. she'll talk to girls, sleep with boys, buy things that objectify women ($1000 dollar shoes and post it on twitter) because it's ok for her to do so. I mean how many vegans out there do you see telling people not to eat meat and then make themselves a nice juicy steak at home? Or how many lesbian feminists out there do you see going around trashing guys, insulting them, beating them and then going home to her boyfriend and enjoy having intercourse with him hoping that one day they'll get married.

It doesn't work. I admire what she's trying to do, but she not making it easy for anyone to listen to her or take her seriously. Girls who are lost in the world will listen to her and if they know nothing about the subject shes preaching will agree with her because they never really experienced a zelda game, a mario game, a gng game... so it's lol. If she had done real research. If she weren't this idiot bitch who's shoving her bull shit agenda (and yes it is bullshit) down peoples throats... then i'd actually give her props. But she does no research. Looks at box art of games, reads up on the basics of a game, and then comes up with a bull shit thesis that doesn't work.

So, yes she's a bitch because what she's doing should be done by someone who actually understands what this should be about. Yes she's a bitch because she doesn't research / explore the ideas of the things she's talking about and only gives her own opinion on and claims it as fact. Yes she's a bitch because she's not the voice of all women in gaming and that voice should've gone to someone who actually deserved it.

All in all she's a bitch with wikipedia bookmark.


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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 07:01    Post subject:
Randir is completely correct. Losers whiteknighting are the source of the 150k. Also, I'm completely for equal treatment of women in the face of law, but fuck feminism.
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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Mar 2013 07:15    Post subject:
Feminism isn't bad. Some feminists are bad.


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