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 Posted: Thu, 21st Feb 2013 13:39 Post subject: We are getting dumber |
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Intresting read
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/human-intelligence-peaked-thousands-of-years-ago-and-weve-been-on-an-intellectual-and-emotional-decline-ever-since-8307101.html
this part is the best
| Quote: | THE DESCENT OF MAN
Hunter-gatherer man
The human brain and its immense capacity for knowledge evolved during this long period of prehistory when we battled against the elements
Athenian man
The invention of agriculture less than 10,000 years ago and the subsequent rise of cities such as Athens relaxed the intensive natural selection of our “intelligence genes”.
Couch-potato man
As genetic mutations increase over future generations, are we doomed to watching soap-opera repeats without knowing how to use the TV remote control?
iPad man
The fruits of science and technology enabled humans to rise above the constraints of nature and cushioned our fragile intellect from genetic mutations. |
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Feb 2013 14:09 Post subject: |
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Dont worry, thats just the calm before the storm, a little downtrend before bioengineering and the transhuman revolution will kick in.
And then slow ass evolution can go fuck itself.
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Feb 2013 14:21 Post subject: |
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So evolution selects for intelligence? Never knew that.
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Feb 2013 14:23 Post subject: |
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Just another bunch of unfounded bullshit speculation.
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VonMisk
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Feb 2013 14:28 Post subject: |
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Oh, come on. It's not like 10.000 years ago all people were geniuses. They were as dumb as we are now. The difference is that idiocy is promoted now.
sar·casm | \ ˈsär-ˌka-zəm \
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2a: a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual
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Frant
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Feb 2013 14:33 Post subject: |
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| Casus wrote: | | Just another bunch of unfounded bullshit speculation. |
And your argument is just that as well, unfounded bullshit opinion. I hope your willy is as rigid and stiff when you need it to be as your anti-dynamic position on ideas and published papers because your mind and imagination sure doesn't need viagra to be locked in a bitter spiteful nonsense-hole of an anthropocentric and egocentric self-righteous stale minded ....
bah, I'll just quote the definition of your way of thinking:
| Quote: | | Rigid thinking occurs when an individual is unable to consider alternatives to the current situation, alternative viewpoints or innovative solutions to a problem. Rigid thinkers cling tightly to preconceptions and generalizations, and often react with fear or hostility in the face of unexpected change or challenges. Rigid thinking patterns are frequently rooted in experiences of abuse or deprivation, which lead to a fear-based relationship with the outside world. |
How to spot a rigid minded person:
| Quote: | Overly-rigid people often....
see values and opinions other than theirs as wrong, rather than different; check!!!
may c/overtly scorn, fear, avoid, and/or reject people who disagree with them; check!!!
may pretend tolerance they don't genuinely feel; check!!!
may come across as arrogant, egotistical, righteous, controlling, intolerant, bigoted, prejudiced, and/or authoritarian; check!!!
are apt to lecture about absolute truths, rather than discuss possibilities; check!!!
may be rigid on a few topics or many; check!!!
have trouble hearing other opinions; and they...
may (rigidly) deny, justify, or minimize these traits and/or refuse to discuss them. checkcheckcheck!!!
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You may need psychological treatment/management for that.
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Feb 2013 14:36 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | Casus wrote: | | Just another bunch of unfounded bullshit speculation. |
And your argument is just that as well, unfounded bullshit opinion. I hope your willy is as rigid and stiff when you need it to be as your anti-dynamic position on ideas and published papers because your mind and imagination sure doesn't need viagra to be locked in a bitter spiteful nonsense-hole of an anthropocentric and egocentric self-righteous stale minded ....
bah, I'll just quote the definition of your way of thinking: |
I haven't provided an argument in this case. Obviously, this theory has no facts to support it - even the other scientists quoted in the article are saying that.
So, there's nothing bullshitty about my statement.
I find it amusing that you think I'm the one with the rigid thinking - considering how your "method" fits yourself like a glove. At least I'm not getting personal because I can't convince everyone that I'm so smart that it hurts.
Unfortunately, you're just another human being with a bunch of opinions informed by your limited capacity. That's what it is to be human.
If you want to be convincing, you should stop the insults and start making sense. You're not going to make an impression by quoting other people. Think for yourself and articulate an opinion that doesn't hinge on wiki links.
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Frant
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Feb 2013 14:43 Post subject: |
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I wish you followed your own advice. But sadly you do fulfil all the criteria and do not accept other possibilities, claim that anything you don't agree with is bullshit, act authoritarian when you get arguments that doesn't fit your needs etc...
Sneaking in small insinuations of insults here and there only affirms the "diagnosis". If you want to waste your life on what is already a certainty and fact, sure, go ahead. You don't really have much to do on a forum where people have different opinions, ideas, suggestions etc. that they are discussing and finding interesting whether you initially agree with them or not. But your antagonistic tone makes it impossible to have a dynamic and fruitful discussion with you since you truly are a rigid minded person, and that is not an insult, that's a description of how I perceive your particular personality. I won't go as far as call it a personality disorder, but it sure does create dissent and annoyance in the threads.
Fact: I did not get that from wiki, yet you made that assumption because you needed something to use as a rhetoric tool to disarm the claim. You were wrong.
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Feb 2013 14:52 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | I wish you followed your own advice. But sadly you do fulfil all the criteria and do not accept other possibilities, claim that anything you don't agree with is bullshit, act authoritarian when you get arguments that doesn't fit your needs etc...
Sneaking in small insinuations of insults here and there only affirms the "diagnosis". If you want to waste your life on what is already a certainty and fact, sure, go ahead. You don't really have much to do on a forum where people have different opinions, ideas, suggestions etc. that they are discussing and finding interesting whether you initially agree with them or not. But your antagonistic tone makes it impossible to have a dynamic and fruitful discussion with you since you truly are a rigid minded person, and that is not an insult, that's a description of how I perceive your particular personality. I won't go as far as call it a personality disorder, but it sure does create dissent and annoyance in the threads. |
Yeah, I know how it can be annoying when people don't agree with you. Obviously, when you face arguments that you can't counter with rational debate - the person in question must have a borderline personality disorder.
Sure, I have an abrasive style - because I don't think much of being popular among strangers I'll never meet. I'd rather focus on the truth as I know it - and being honest and direct.
But from that, and then for you to try and manipulate other readers - hoping to draw further support to something that's between you and I - is really, really pathetic. But that's on you.
When you respond negatively to strangers on a forum - it can be helpful to realise how limited your information about them really is. The most informed reaction is not to try and label them with the most negative traits you can possibly come up with - but instead to accept that while they're annoying and they disagree, you have to focus on what they're saying - not the imaginary persona behind the words.
That said, I think we're past that now.
I can only suggest that you ignore me - and we don't have to waste time exchanging thoughts and ideas.
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Frant
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Feb 2013 14:56 Post subject: |
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There never was an exchange to begin with, it was suggestions being thrown back in my face by someone with a rigid mind (which is not an insult btw., it's a description of a certain personality trait).
And if you only knew how much you can read a person through the way he/she writes, what he/she writes, how he/she responds in various situations etc... Of course, requires some empathic talents and reading between the lines.
But I agree, it's pointless. We have totally different personalities and a schism is forming that is just draining energy.
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Feb 2013 21:05 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Feb 2013 21:47 Post subject: |
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Speak for yourself.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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Spoilered for playful racism.
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Frant
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Feb 2013 09:02 Post subject: |
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Yeah, the definitions and and descriptions from the earliest posts are wrong. We've become comfortable (those of us lucky to have that luxury) and lazy, wasting more time on leisure and modern work (packing plastic cups in shrinkwrap or designing computer systems) instead of having to develop abilities for survival in a dire and harsh environment. I'd go as far as say that the random selective forces of evolution or whatever you called it that promoted bigger brains and intelligence have ended. We've entered a period of refinement of what's already there, but that is also a slow process. Our brains won't grow or become much faster, have more layers or become much more complex in a looooong time since we've sort of reached a threshold were we've reached a level where we don't need the same kind of "rapid" development of our intelligence (I don't mean IQ, I mean the whole spectra needed for survival, learning, inventing, adapting etc.). We will evolve but that physical brain size part of us will evolve more slowly. It's inner structure may change faster due to a completely different way of using our brains compared to just a 100 years ago, but evolution and change takes time (except in cases where super-fast evolution has been proved, for instance the colourful butterflies in a specific area in England changed the colour of their wing in just a couple of generations after a coal mine was opened and covered a lot of the landscape with black coal dust and black rock).
Our societies are built to fit us and thus we no longer have a strong drive to develop further skills in that department.
That takes us to sub-Saharan Africa where things are a mess. It's not because they're any less intelligent, it's just that their cultural/sociological level in many places are clashing with imported/colonised structures. They are fighting the struggles the northwest did centuries ago.
China was once a superpower with dynasties took over from each other, producing the finest art, skills and philosophy etc.. yet when that broke down and the people starved they became like animals (I've read some gruesome stories of what happened in the worst starvation periods). But they recovered and is moving in a direction that may make then #1 superpower in 10-30 years (if they aim for that). Their communism has been so twisted it's paradoxically a capitalistic communistic society where it seems they're slowly steering the country in a different direction away from the old communism. And while there's huge middle class these days, the majority are still living in poor provinces where they barely get enough money for food for their families for a 12-hour work day.
I'm more worried about Japan where the society has turned into a very complex and flawed society in many ways. Fewer children are born, the elderly population keeps growing, the work ethics of the middle class combined with a kind of "career before family" mentality will cause issues in the not-too-far future. It's a country with identity problems, with (for us) crazy youth cultures, old and new being mixed into something that doesn't promise a better future. Single Japanese working men live in boxes in the big cities, never having any contact with females or forming families. I guess things are better on the countryside but they can't make up for the majority that live in the overpopulated enormous cities they have.
I may be completely wrong, it's all just based on my observations and limited knowledge from documentaries and reading about it from various sources and articles.
In the end there's a massive imbalance of resources, standard of life, life quality etc. on a global scale. Which is pretty natural since culture and society don't develop at the same speed according to some non-existent force of nature. Sub-Saharan Africa seems to be behind the rest of the world in many ways, and here I come back to my theory that they for thousands and thousands of years reached a natural level of development into their environment where development of cultural and societal changes slowed down since there was no reason to change what was working. Then external elements came and changed everything. Colonising empires, religions etc. entered from all directions and introduced the seeds to change, and inevitably that led to the chaos we see today and have seen for the last 100 years. It will take centuries for most parts of Africa to normalise and adapt. North Africa is different since it surrounds the southern part of the Mediterranean sea and throughout the times have shared influence and power with the countries on the areas on the north side of the Mediterranean.
/Rant over... EDIT: NOT
ps. scientists predict that in 1000 years (if globalisation and migration continues at current rate) that the majority of people in the world will be ~2 meters tall and have light coffee shaded skin and the ethnic and geographical differences between peoples look will be diminished. I have no idea if that will be so (and I will obviously never know) but it's a nice thought if we could get past white, yellow, brown, red, black and green skin colours as if they meant something. A globalist world (although I'm hesitant towards such a prospect politically and ideologically but not in a naturalised way) developing in the current rate does give certain credit to such a prediction.
We will undoubtedly some time in the future become more homogenized as a species unless the entire human species turn back to eugenics again and exclude certain groups from the process which would be a disaster. The bigger the gene pool, the faster we develop (since more combinations are possible and positive traits are carried on to the next generation etc.).
Then we have the existing science of Epigenetic which controls which genes are switched on/off and when. This is the latest in science where they're trying to see how Epigenetics may be used to control inactive genes, what these inactive genes are for and what possibilities that may lead to.
/Rant truly off.
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Feb 2013 10:55 Post subject: |
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tl;dr
but this quote...
| Frant wrote: |
That takes us to sub-Saharan Africa where things are a mess. It's not because they're any less intelligent, it's just that their cultural/sociological level in many places are clashing with imported/colonised structures. They are fighting the struggles the northwest did centuries ago.
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The only reason of the fights in Africa is heat + mineral and other natural resources. There are bad harvest every year due to the climate, people get hungry, people get poor. Yet, there are diamonds popping out of the ground or oil. So they fight for it, to survive. Just imagine yourself having 1 dollar a day, having no food, no industry, and some chinese dudes 100m down the road reaping millions worth of diamonds a day. You'd kick them out and start a fight with your neighbour to be able to mine them. And the government? They just put an army there to defend the chinese and take a kickback as your cut of the profits.
Mali: uranium
Libya: oil
Congo: diamonds and non-ferro metals
west-coast: food resources
Somalia: There they have no laws and many boats passing, so they see the boats as 'commodities'
Sudan split: oil
You really think they would have all this misery if they had stable sources of food and water and a relative stable economy? Look at countries like Cambodja or even Laos or Papoea. They are shit poor as well, but they don't have wars 24/7, why? Because people are not hungry all the time or resources available to be stolen.
Replaces the resources in Africa by food and the troubles would be gone in no time, regardless of the social/cultural clashes. Nepal, China, southeast asia in general, has the same cultural/social clashing as Africa, so many tribes, so many beliefs, yet they all live peacefully together.
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Feb 2013 12:13 Post subject: |
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I basically said what you said without embellishing it or going deeper into the social situations that cause all the misery, most of those because of external intervention/exploitation of national resources. Some of the foreign culture has blended with the local culture and caused a kind of cultural instability in many areas. Warlords rise and fall, there's no common ground in many areas any longer, there are civilians and there are rebels and there are warlords with his troops and there are foreigners paying for protection to get as much of the riches up from under the ground as possible. Entire populations are forced to move to camps from civil wars or clearing campaigns (Janjaweed, arab-sudan militia, have been used to clear huge areas of people by burning and slaughtering entire villages, causing massive refugee camps popping up). And that's just in Darfur, Sudan, where the Arab elite leaders promote displacement of ethnic Africans.
| Quote: | The Janjaweed are armed partisans drawn from Arab tribes.
In 1972, Muammar al-Gaddafi created the Islamic Legion as a tool to unify and Arabize the region. The priority of the Legion was first Chad, and then Sudan.
In Darfur, a western province of Sudan, Gaddafi supported the creation of the Arab Gathering (Tajammu al-Arabi), which according to Gérard Prunier was "a militantly racist and pan-Arabist organization which stressed the 'Arab' character of the province." The two organizations shared members and a source of support, and the distinction between the two is often ambiguous.
The nearly continuous cross-border raids that resulted greatly contributed to a separate ethnic conflict within Darfur that killed about 9,000 people between 1985 and 1988. The Janjaweed leadership has some background in Gaddafi's mercenaries. |
| Quote: | Active region(s): Darfur, Sudan, Chad
Ideology: Arab Ethnic nationalism (Arabocentric) |
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| Posted: Tue, 26th Feb 2013 12:17 Post subject: |
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Most of africa is still colonized. They just replaced the armed forces with the corporate ones ...
And if "we" (the first world) wouldn't siphon every last bit of their resources and food out of their country, to satisfy our ridiculous needs (and then throw half of it away), they could flourish and live good lives. But halas, we won't let them. But we sure keep blaming their misery on themselves ... lazy africans !
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