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Stige
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 Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2013 10:07 Post subject: FUCK ASROCK AND FUCK WATER COOLING |
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Fuck this shit!
The so awesome AsRock Z77 Extreme 4 I ordered isn't so awesome afterall like all the reviews make it out to be, quoted from an ACTUAL REVIEW that actually knew what they were on about:
| Quote: | ASRock is using D-PAK MOSFETs under the heatsinks, D-PAKs were phased out years ago on enthusiast VRMs because of their lack of performance compared to newer low RDS(ON) packages such as PowerPAK and LF-PAK when it comes to thermals. They can cause a lot of heat as they aren?t so well suited for really fast switching power supplies such as needed for newer processors. However you can find them on a few sub $80 motherboards and the Z77 Extreme4.
What bothers me about a lot of reviewers is that they totally miss this issue, most possibly because they don?t bother popping off the heatsinks. |
And how the fuck can custom watercooling be worse than my Thermalright TrueSpirit?
Reseated CPU block 10 times by now, no air in the loop, waterflow is good, seriously asfhdhfgasdgfsafs FUCK THIS SHIT
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2013 12:14 Post subject: |
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Can you link your source please? It would make an interesting reading.
i5 6600k @ 4.3 GHz | MSI z170 Gaming M7 | 32GB Kingston HyperX Fury | 850 Evo 500GB | EVGA 1070 SC | Seasonic X-660 | CM Storm Stryker
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2013 12:22 Post subject: |
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| xxax wrote: | AsRock? Is this one of these?
But seriously, i have no idea what you just written... |
No thats a Thrustmaster... 
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2013 12:36 Post subject: |
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| difm wrote: | | Can you link your source please? It would make an interesting reading. |
I just typed fucking machine in google, so go from there...
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Saner
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2013 13:20 Post subject: |
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Google the quote ?
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=1062005
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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doobzilla
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2013 14:53 Post subject: |
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| Stige wrote: | And how the fuck can custom watercooling be worse than my Thermalright TrueSpirit?
Reseated CPU block 10 times by now, no air in the loop, waterflow is good, seriously asfhdhfgasdgfsafs FUCK THIS SHIT |
I know this is a stupid question, but what direction is the water flowing? Also, how large of a radiator do you have? And, how large is your tubing? The water flow should go:
Pump->CPU->Northbridge/southbridge/memory/HDD (if equipped)->GPU(s)->radiator->pump
If you have your radiator inside of the case, that can be an issue as well, or if you are going for a silent build and don't have a fan on the radiator that can be a problem too (if you aren't running a large enough rad.
When I set up my first watercooling system, I accidentally got the inlet and outlet on the pump mixed up and the water was flowing backwards. Because of this, I had higher than normal temperatures (higher than my air-cooled temps, that is). I was also using too small of tubing for my rad and my rad was only a 1x120mm. I changed the flow, replaced the rad with a 2x120 with better fans, and used larger tubing (went from 3/8 to 1/2 which made a big difference). I haven't looked back since and now both of my home rigs are water cooled (one of which has a waterblock on the north and southbridge chips, which does make a difference, for future reference).
I'm certain that you have it set up correctly, but I made plenty of mistakes when I first water cooled, so I assume that other people can make them too. There are lots of things that can cause a water cooled system to not get cooler than an air cooled system, I think that I've touched on the majority of them here and I hope that you get it sorted as water cooling is far superior to air cooling when overclocking and when you are trying to control the ambient temperature with more accuracy (I jumped into water cooling because my computer was heating up its room to the point of being uncomfortable in the summer and this was after I added a window unit A/C).
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Stige
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2013 15:30 Post subject: |
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Well I have never built one before so I can't know if it is right lol, but basicly mine differs from what you said as it goes Res->Pump->Rad->CPU->Res
These are the parts I have: http://stigez.com/ocn/waterz.png
Would it really make that big of a difference if I put it Res->Pump->CPU->Rad->Res?
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doobzilla
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2013 15:33 Post subject: |
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It can make a big difference and it'll help your pump last longer. You are basically putting hot water into your pump which won't ruin the pump immediately, but it'll shorten its life expectancy.
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Stige
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2013 15:53 Post subject: |
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| doobzilla wrote: | | It can make a big difference and it'll help your pump last longer. You are basically putting hot water into your pump which won't ruin the pump immediately, but it'll shorten its life expectancy. |
But I'm also putting cold water on the CPU which should cool it better but from what I read it really doesn't matter what order they are in as long as the reservoir is before and above the pump.
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doobzilla
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2013 16:00 Post subject: |
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I can only speak to my own experiences (as for where the rad should be placed), but you definitely have an issue if it isn't cooling better than an air cooler (in most cases, near ambient temps should be the norm). I'm not familiar with some of the parts you've chosen, but it appears as though you are using a 3x120 rad, if that's the case, you should have plenty of cooling power... Are you using 3 fans for pushing air and 3 fans for pulling? It could be that you are creating some cavitation with the airflow in between them (unlikely, but still possible). I only use fans that push across my radiator. I also use a shroud/spacer to eliminate any airflow dead-zones that might happen when the fans are right up against the rad.
What thermal compound are you using between the cpu and waterblock? It makes no sense that it still isn't cooling better even after reseating the waterblock 10 times...
This requires further investigation, unfortunately.
I probably haven't helped, but I hope that I have. Good luck!
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Stige
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2013 16:20 Post subject: |
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| doobzilla wrote: | I can only speak to my own experiences (as for where the rad should be placed), but you definitely have an issue if it isn't cooling better than an air cooler (in most cases, near ambient temps should be the norm). I'm not familiar with some of the parts you've chosen, but it appears as though you are using a 3x120 rad, if that's the case, you should have plenty of cooling power... Are you using 3 fans for pushing air and 3 fans for pulling? It could be that you are creating some cavitation with the airflow in between them (unlikely, but still possible). I only use fans that push across my radiator. I also use a shroud/spacer to eliminate any airflow dead-zones that might happen when the fans are right up against the rad.
What thermal compound are you using between the cpu and waterblock? It makes no sense that it still isn't cooling better even after reseating the waterblock 10 times...
This requires further investigation, unfortunately.
I probably haven't helped, but I hope that I have. Good luck! |
Tried 2 different TIM that I have, Nexus TMP-1000 and Phobya HeGrease Extreme (Which is apparently supergood), no luck with either one :<
3 fans pushing atm, don't have anything to split the fan connectors so can't do Push/Pull right now.
Don't have any spacers and stuff on the fans but it really shouldn't make this thing worse than my 25€ air cooler lol.
Right now the only thing I can think of is my pump speeds, they are either full on or barely turning (600-900RPM on CHAFAN connector and 2100-2300RPM on CPUFAN or PWRFAN) and I propably get cavitation on the pump when it is full on, and when it is on CHAFAN it is barely turning and occasionally turns off when that happens and adjusting any BIOS/AXTU/SpeedFan settings doesn't help as the CHAFAN connectors are full on at that 600-900RPM and PWRFAN/CPUFAN2 canno't be adjusted apparently, they are stuck at full on :l
I'M GOING INSANE!
Had nothing but trouble since I got my second HD7950, then I bought this watercooling shit that doesn't want to work properly then my motherboard broke and the watercooling STILL doesn't wanna work no matter what I do 
QQ
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doobzilla
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2013 16:59 Post subject: |
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I'm running my pump off of a 12v rail by itself (no manual/auto power adjustment, btw). I don't know what speed my pump is turning as I don't have the speed sensor plugged in (why, I don't know), but my pump (a swiftech MCP-655, can't remember if it's with or without speed controller, but either way, I run it turned up all of the way) is rated at 317G/H (1200L/H) nominal at 4000rpm (the max is 4800rpm) so I don't know if your speed is too slow or not. You might try running it on a 12v line by itself if you aren't already doing so.
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Stige
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Jan 2013 18:29 Post subject: |
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Fuck yeah things are finaly looking good.
30min Prime Blend runs.
- First run:75/84/82/75
3x Coolink 1201 shitty useless fans
- Second Run: 73/81/79/72
Added _ONE_ fan from my old Sonata III case so there is one push/pull on the radiator
Can't wait to get some real fans and hopefully full push/pull setup...
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doobzilla
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Jan 2013 21:29 Post subject: |
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| Stige wrote: | Fuck yeah things are finaly looking good.
30min Prime Blend runs.
- First run:75/84/82/75
3x Coolink 1201 shitty useless fans
- Second Run: 73/81/79/72
Added _ONE_ fan from my old Sonata III case so there is one push/pull on the radiator
Can't wait to get some real fans and hopefully full push/pull setup... |
I assume that those temps are in degrees Fahrenheit? Did you change anything, besides adding that other fan?
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Stige
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Jan 2013 21:36 Post subject: |
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| doobzilla wrote: | | Stige wrote: | Fuck yeah things are finaly looking good.
30min Prime Blend runs.
- First run:75/84/82/75
3x Coolink 1201 shitty useless fans
- Second Run: 73/81/79/72
Added _ONE_ fan from my old Sonata III case so there is one push/pull on the radiator
Can't wait to get some real fans and hopefully full push/pull setup... |
I assume that those temps are in degrees Fahrenheit? Did you change anything, besides adding that other fan? |
Celcius, not Fahrenheit.
My goal from beginning was ~75C max temps on Prime Blend (That is what people seem to get around with same vcore and XSPC Raystorm and stuff).
I did pretty much everything there is to do lol
- Cleaned up every part several times, especially the rad
- Lapped my CPU a bit
- Reseated block n+1 times
- Switched to distelled water + 10% red coolant mix
- Reseated the block some more
- Added 1 fan, noticed 4-5C drop in temps
- Added 2 more fans for full push/pull setup
Something like that, it has been heck of a job to get it working properly, I reckon once I get my Gentle Typhoon 1850 fans I should be able to get near that 75C mark in Prime95.
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doobzilla
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| Posted: Fri, 18th Jan 2013 23:56 Post subject: |
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Those are pretty good temps, but they can certainly be a lot better. For example, my main rig is in my office at home and it gets very warm in there every day (whether it's cold outside or not). It's usually ~24°C in there during the winter and ~30°C in the summer. Even with Prime95 running for several iterations, the temps don't usually exceed 72°C (in fact, the usually level out around 67°C or so).
My server is in my living room where it is usually ~16.5°C in the winter and somewhere around 21°C in the summer and with Prime95 running for several iterations on it, the temp rarely, if ever, exceeds 30°C.
If your ambient temp is above 25°C then that is definitely not helping you. And, as for lapping the waterblock, I always polish mine to a mirror finish by wetsanding them with at least a 1200 grit sandpaper and then finishing them with some toothpaste and a piece of regular notebook paper (there is also some stuff called simichrome, but toothpaste is more readily available). I also pre-tint my heatsink with my thermal paste prior to placing it on my cpu.
And, with no gpu in your loop, you should be getting at least a bit lower temps than what you are getting...
Also, you should always use distilled (not deionized) water with some sort of coolant mix blended in, I highly recommend at least a 35% mix, that will help lower your temps a touch. There is also an automotive performance product called, "Water Wetter," that might be of some assistance (I believe that it is just some type of alcohol so it would probably need to add more every so often).
After that, I'm officially out of ideas. Hopefully, I haven't made you waste any time with my suggestions.
Might I add one other tip? I recommend using some sort of quick disconnect between your rad and your loop, the only reason is so that you can easily clean the radiator in the kitchen sink or outside with compressed air as it will definitely get filthy.
edit: I forgot to add a link to the pics of my temps...
http://imgur.com/a/kcvaP
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Stige
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| Posted: Sat, 19th Jan 2013 00:02 Post subject: |
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69/77/77/69 temps in Prime now with Blend after tweaking the voltages a bit as the motherboard reports the VCore completely wrong.
Deionized water should be just fine, got maybe 10-15% of coolant in it as it actually reduces the thermal conductivity(spelling?) of water.
The CPU block is straight as an arrow, no need to touch that really.
Considering people run ~75C Max temps in Prime with XSPC Raystorm and other expensive gear with similiar VCore, I think I'm doing more than fine now.
My ambient temp is propably 20-22C.
You never meantioned what CPU, MHz, VCore, cooler parts etc you are running so it is kinda hard to compare mine to yours.
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doobzilla
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| Posted: Sat, 19th Jan 2013 00:57 Post subject: |
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I'm using all swiftech water blocks (apogee GT, iirc) and the GPU's and my main rig's mobo came preinstalled with swiftech blocks. I'm using a thermochill 4x120 (480) rad on my main rig and a 3x120 rad (can't remember the name)on my server with some high velocity fans (can't remember what fans, but they move a massive amount of air) all 1/2 tubing with distilled water mixed with coolant in a 2.5:1 ratio and I've lapped all of the heatsinks and am using AS5 and AC MX-4 (can't remember which rig has which paste...lol). I recommended distilled water over deionized simply because distilled is more, "pure," and should not be conductive (or as conductive) as water with minerals/impurities in it.
I'm glad you got your temps where you want them, hopefully you don't ever spring a leak! I haven't yet...yet...
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Stige
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| Posted: Sat, 19th Jan 2013 01:14 Post subject: |
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| doobzilla wrote: | I'm using all swiftech water blocks (apogee GT, iirc) and the GPU's and my main rig's mobo came preinstalled with swiftech blocks. I'm using a thermochill 4x120 (480) rad on my main rig and a 3x120 rad (can't remember the name)on my server with some high velocity fans (can't remember what fans, but they move a massive amount of air) all 1/2 tubing with distilled water mixed with coolant in a 2.5:1 ratio and I've lapped all of the heatsinks and am using AS5 and AC MX-4 (can't remember which rig has which paste...lol). I recommended distilled water over deionized simply because distilled is more, "pure," and should not be conductive (or as conductive) as water with minerals/impurities in it.
I'm glad you got your temps where you want them, hopefully you don't ever spring a leak! I haven't yet...yet... |
What CPU?
I already got a leak when I tightened the entrance of the CPU block too tight and it got a small crack on the edge, but nothing some RTV won't fix.
That was my one and only leak, so far atleast.
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doobzilla
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 19:18 Post subject: |
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| Stige wrote: | What CPU?
I already got a leak when I tightened the entrance of the CPU block too tight and it got a small crack on the edge, but nothing some RTV won't fix.
That was my one and only leak, so far atleast. |
One rig is running an i7 975ee OC'd to 4.0GHz, the other is running an Intell QX6700 at stock speeds. Both of them are using an Apogee GT water block (the i7's is a newer version). I've had very good luck with them. I would also suggest that you use some teflon tape on your fittings, this might help you to keep from over tightening (I have a problem with overtightening and using teflon tape has helped me with that).
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doobzilla
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Jan 2013 23:46 Post subject: |
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| Stige wrote: | | But it is pretty much impossible to compare our temperatures as you got completely different CPUs |
Not to mention the fact that we have completely different cooling setups. Both of my rigs are also cooling the GPU's as well (one is a tri-sli 580GTX, the other is a dual-card, quad-SLI setup with 2 GTX295's).
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doobzilla
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Jan 2013 16:57 Post subject: |
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Nice. That's a good looking radiator you've got there.
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doobzilla
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| Posted: Thu, 31st Jan 2013 14:54 Post subject: |
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Nice. I'm glad that you got your temps down. I'd have been pissed too if my temps barely changed after spending a shit-ton of money on all of the parts.
Of course, one of the best things about water cooling is when you have to take it all apart again just to clean the radiator... 
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