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 Posted: Wed, 23rd Jan 2013 19:30 Post subject: AMD posts net FY loss of $1.18 billion |
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and $473 million loss for Q4.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1776795&highlight=
| Quote: | Q4 2012 Results
AMD revenue $1.16 billion, decreased 9 percent sequentially and 32 percent year-over-year
Gross margin 15 percent, non-GAAP(1) gross margin 39 percent
Operating loss of $422 million, net loss of $473 million, loss per share of $0.63
Non-GAAP(1) operating loss of $55 million, net loss of $102 million, loss per share of $0.14
2012 Annual Results
AMD revenue $5.42 billion, down 17 percent year-over-year
Gross margin 23 percent, non-GAAP(1) gross margin 41 percent
Operating loss of $1.06 billion, net loss of $1.18 billion, loss per share $1.60
Non-GAAP(1) operating income of $45 million, net loss of $114 million, loss per share $0.16 |
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The bulk of that is still GF-related bullshit. For 2013 they'll finally be 100% free (at least I think they've paid it all off now), so coupled with all their design wins of late, 2013 should be a good one 
Nvidia's FY2013 (a.k.a. 2012) results also aren't fantastic, well below expectations. Haven't looked at Q3 yet and Q4 will come in a week or 2-3, but Q1 was 50% of last year and Q2 was a lot lower than expected as well. 2012 was a bad year for both of them, Nvidia are fortunate to have gotten so many wins with Tegra 3. Again, FY2014 (or 2013) will be different for them, because I don't think Tegra 4 will be as successful. From what they've shown so far, it's pretty bad compared to the competition.
Edit: also, Intel's numbers also dropped significantly. Intel will always be Intel of course, so no harm done really, but if Intel drops, so does AMDs CPU division. At least AMDs GPU division is still producing positive figures.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Jan 2013 22:58 Post subject: |
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lol and it may not have been as much had they not released that garbage Bulldozer line up.
They seem to be doing the same thing Microsoft does. Release garbage product, next product is great.
Socket 939 was awesome. AM2 line up was garbage. Phenom 1 cpu's were BLEH, Phenom 2 was great. Now bulldozer is absolute fucking rubbish, Piledriver is what Bulldozer should have been. 
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Feb 2013 09:49 Post subject: |
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AMD have secured a constant major income source by getting both Sony and MS to go all AMD for hardware. PS4 comes with standard HDD. I thought SSD would be the standard in the next-gen but perhaps that is something people will hack in later, I don't know (or care).
PS4:
64-bit AMD Jaguar-CPU with 8 cores
GPU built on AMD Radeon (no idea if it's an APU solution or separate GPU yet)
Xbox:
AMD CPU
AMD HD7000-class GPU.
AMD kicked nVidia out of the console business for the next ~5-7 years.. Of course, the delay of next-gen AMD hardware becomes obvious, they have tons and tons and tons of silicon to tweak, produce and deliver to both Sony and MS. And for AMD the delay of the Maxwell until 2014 couldn't have been happening at a better time. Meanwhile we'll be stuck with what we've got.. some new editions/tweaks etc., perhaps 7990 finally becomes reality, Titan gets siblings (something between 680 and Titan or something) etc.
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| Frant wrote: | | Of course, the delay of next-gen AMD hardware becomes obvious, they have tons and tons and tons of silicon to tweak, produce and deliver to both Sony and MS. |
You said that in another thread, but it's nonsense.
Design was already there, it's a desktop part; albeit coupled more tightly on some fronts perhaps, but if anything that's a job for the CPU division.
Production is still outsourced to TSMC and with AMD being a bigger client than Nvidia thanks to this the tables are turned in terms of who dictates priority (Nvidia had been dictating that a lot thanks to their massive Tegra production).
The two consoles most definitely are not the reason there will be no new desktop parts for a while.
Edit: APU, btw.
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Feb 2013 13:14 Post subject: |
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AMD seems to have the monopoly on all the consoles since they also have their GPU in the Wii U as well.
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Feb 2013 14:51 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | Frant wrote: | | Of course, the delay of next-gen AMD hardware becomes obvious, they have tons and tons and tons of silicon to tweak, produce and deliver to both Sony and MS. |
You said that in another thread, but it's nonsense.
Design was already there, it's a desktop part; albeit coupled more tightly on some fronts perhaps, but if anything that's a job for the CPU division.
Production is still outsourced to TSMC and with AMD being a bigger client than Nvidia thanks to this the tables are turned in terms of who dictates priority (Nvidia had been dictating that a lot thanks to their massive Tegra production).
The two consoles most definitely are not the reason there will be no new desktop parts for a while.
Edit: APU, btw. |
So what's your theory on the recent report of AMD taking a "break" with their GPU development/release schedule? Is it simply because Maxwell has been delayed almost a year and there's no need to stress out new parts that had to be compromised to get out in time and instead take this time to work on a really good architectural upgrade?
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I think it's a combination of factors. On one hand, Nvidia isn't much of a threat right now obviously. At best, they're competing performance wise, but they're behind on value. On the other hand they've got the design wins for consoles, which does play a factor but not in terms of "can't handle the workload", more in the sense of "there's no financial necessity to do something new". Then there's the obvious focus on APUs in general, where they're actually doing not too shabby.
So from AMD's point of view, there's the decision of coming out with a refresh on a process they already know, resulting in "mediocre" enhancements, or focusing on a proper new generation.
That's what I think anyway. Capacity and workload definitely aren't the reason, as capacity is limited by TSMC and they're ever expanding (their newest, biggest fab is finishing up construction right about now IIRC). If workload was the issue, they wouldn't have done the layoffs.
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