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 Posted: Tue, 2nd Apr 2013 18:13 Post subject: My computer doesn't play things as great as i thought it wou |
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I've had my new pc now for 4 monthsish.
When i play games like bf3 everything on high or ultra x2 msaa or whatever its called shadows low and at 1920 res.
All other top end games i try on simlar setting, but games like arma 3 alpha and project cars, whenever i play these i get shite fps, in bf3 with the settings i said i get barly over 30 fps sometimes in the low or high 20's.
Here is my pc which i thought was high end, everything is at stock.
It's an 15 3570 cpu, 16 gigs of cossaire mem, 7950 gfx card and a zz7 mobo with a 125 gig ssd drive.
So I'm wondering why i don't get as good a performance from my pc in these games seeing how i have a high end rig?
Shouldn't i be getting better performance?
Hope someone can give me some tips?
Thanks 
Ryzen 5 3600 cpu@3.60 Mhz.
hyper x 32 gb ddr 4 memory.
Msi Carbon gaming pro ac motherboard.
Evga 600 psu.
Msi Armour rx 8 gb 5700 Graphic card.
Ps4 Standard 500gb.
Lg 4k 42 inch tv.
Oculus Quest 2.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Apr 2013 18:36 Post subject: |
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Something's not right tho if you're barely breaking 30FPS with that rig.
On my rig (8350@4.5Ghz with a single GTX 670) I get around 90 on everything on high without MSAA (high FXAA) on a resolution of 1920x1200. The FPS does drop to around 55 but that doesn't happen often. And just because I'm an FPS fag I've cranked down the settings so it doesn't go under 80.
So yeah, you should be able to get better frames per second on that rig.
Things you could try;
make sure there are no unnecessary processes in the background
Try to lower the resolution to see if that might increase performance
turn on render.perfoverlayvisible 1 to see if either the CPU or GPU is spiking for some strange reason and then go from there.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Apr 2013 18:38 Post subject: |
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run some benhcmarks, synthetic and ingame ones and compare them with people on the forum who also have 7950s
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Apr 2013 23:59 Post subject: |
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Are you using 13.3 beta drivers? Did you do clean install on Windows when you got the new rig?
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 00:07 Post subject: |
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make sure in CCC you set the power control settings all the way to the right
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 01:10 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | make sure in CCC you set the power control settings all the way to the right |
Tanks i've done this it was on 1, what does it do?
Ryzen 5 3600 cpu@3.60 Mhz.
hyper x 32 gb ddr 4 memory.
Msi Carbon gaming pro ac motherboard.
Evga 600 psu.
Msi Armour rx 8 gb 5700 Graphic card.
Ps4 Standard 500gb.
Lg 4k 42 inch tv.
Oculus Quest 2. |
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 01:10 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | | Are you using 13.3 beta drivers? Did you do clean install on Windows when you got the new rig? |
No not beta drivers mate and it was a clean install few months back when i bought this pc.
Ryzen 5 3600 cpu@3.60 Mhz.
hyper x 32 gb ddr 4 memory.
Msi Carbon gaming pro ac motherboard.
Evga 600 psu.
Msi Armour rx 8 gb 5700 Graphic card.
Ps4 Standard 500gb.
Lg 4k 42 inch tv.
Oculus Quest 2. |
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 01:11 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | run some benhcmarks, synthetic and ingame ones and compare them with people on the forum who also have 7950s |
I might try this tomoz thx for the tip:P
Ryzen 5 3600 cpu@3.60 Mhz.
hyper x 32 gb ddr 4 memory.
Msi Carbon gaming pro ac motherboard.
Evga 600 psu.
Msi Armour rx 8 gb 5700 Graphic card.
Ps4 Standard 500gb.
Lg 4k 42 inch tv.
Oculus Quest 2. |
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 01:12 Post subject: |
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| Prefetian wrote: | Something's not right tho if you're barely breaking 30FPS with that rig.
On my rig (8350@4.5Ghz with a single GTX 670) I get around 90 on everything on high without MSAA (high FXAA) on a resolution of 1920x1200. The FPS does drop to around 55 but that doesn't happen often. And just because I'm an FPS fag I've cranked down the settings so it doesn't go under 80.
So yeah, you should be able to get better frames per second on that rig.
Things you could try;
make sure there are no unnecessary processes in the background
Try to lower the resolution to see if that might increase performance
turn on render.perfoverlayvisible 1 to see if either the CPU or GPU is spiking for some strange reason and then go from there. |
It is weird as i thought i should be getting better fps in games like bf3 atleast, itnever goes into the 50 fps when moving even when i totally lower the resolution, might be capped in some way?
Ryzen 5 3600 cpu@3.60 Mhz.
hyper x 32 gb ddr 4 memory.
Msi Carbon gaming pro ac motherboard.
Evga 600 psu.
Msi Armour rx 8 gb 5700 Graphic card.
Ps4 Standard 500gb.
Lg 4k 42 inch tv.
Oculus Quest 2. |
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 01:14 Post subject: |
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You should use the latest beta drivers.
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 02:28 Post subject: |
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a weird question here
did you checked if your windows 7 does not underclock your PC in the power options?
power saver underclocks your CPU to 1ghz and halves your memory speed
balanced does the same as power saver but if your cpu gets a 80% load then it returns to normal clocks
high power = high CPu clock and memory bus all time every time
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 02:40 Post subject: |
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run GPU Z and check if voltage or clocks go down during benchmarks, same for CPU clocks though not sure what program would do that.
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 02:58 Post subject: |
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| Paintface wrote: | | run GPU Z and check if voltage or clocks go down during benchmarks, same for CPU clocks though not sure what program would do that. |
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 09:21 Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure paintface was takking to theescapst. :-p
SInce he's the one with the computer problems.
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 09:36 Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure Hrfic was just telling them what program to use.
Those numbers don't sound too weird to me. MSAA is a performance killer, try turning that off and you might just double your FPS. Obviously if you overclock your PC, like most of us with sandy/ivy do, you might get an extra ~5-10 FPS.
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 14:12 Post subject: |
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| BearishSun wrote: | I'm pretty sure Hrfic was just telling them what program to use.
Those numbers don't sound too weird to me. MSAA is a performance killer, try turning that off and you might just double your FPS. Obviously if you overclock your PC, like most of us with sandy/ivy do, you might get an extra ~5-10 FPS. |
I aint overclcoked my pc in years and when i diod do it i don't think i ever done it correctly.
So does any or will someone give me a dummys guide on how to do this please?
Especially on the mem and cpu as you have to do it a certain way to overclcock properly.
Ryzen 5 3600 cpu@3.60 Mhz.
hyper x 32 gb ddr 4 memory.
Msi Carbon gaming pro ac motherboard.
Evga 600 psu.
Msi Armour rx 8 gb 5700 Graphic card.
Ps4 Standard 500gb.
Lg 4k 42 inch tv.
Oculus Quest 2. |
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 18:40 Post subject: |
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Actually I realize you have 3570, and not 3570K? In that case I'd forget overclocking, those aren't very easy to overclock and even if you do you wont gain much sadly.
But still MSAA is the killer in those (already pretty demaning) games. I hate FXAA personally but I'd suggest to turn that on instead.
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Apr 2013 22:31 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | | You should use the latest beta drivers. |
Beta drivers won't make much difference. I'm running the latest WHQLs (13.1), and everything's smooth as silk. There might be a few frames improvement, but nothing that will make a huge impact.
Perhaps it's something to do with the SSD? Read/Write speeds?
Pixieking
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| Posted: Thu, 4th Apr 2013 00:43 Post subject: |
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| BearishSun wrote: | Actually I realize you have 3570, and not 3570K? In that case I'd forget overclocking, those aren't very easy to overclock and even if you do you wont gain much sadly.
But still MSAA is the killer in those (already pretty demaning) games. I hate FXAA personally but I'd suggest to turn that on instead. |
I have the 3570k version mate my bad if i didn't mention it.
Ryzen 5 3600 cpu@3.60 Mhz.
hyper x 32 gb ddr 4 memory.
Msi Carbon gaming pro ac motherboard.
Evga 600 psu.
Msi Armour rx 8 gb 5700 Graphic card.
Ps4 Standard 500gb.
Lg 4k 42 inch tv.
Oculus Quest 2. |
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| Posted: Thu, 4th Apr 2013 08:52 Post subject: |
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In that case check out this guide: http://www.overclock.net/t/1198504/complete-overclocking-guide-sandy-bridge-ivy-bridge-asrock-edition
But I suggest you google a guide for your specific motherboard, there's tons of guides.
It's incredibly easy with ivy/sandy bridge. You don't need to worry about memory clocks anymore, they're independent from cpu clock now. It's pretty much just the matter of increasing the multiplier and possibly increasing voltages a bit, then testing if its stable. Very simple.
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Also be aware that unless you decrease load on the GPU (disabling MSAA for example) it's unlikely you will see any benefit from a CPU overclock, because you seem to be GPU-bound. So faster CPU wont do much if GPU operations are the ones holding you back. But this is very game specific.
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| Posted: Thu, 4th Apr 2013 11:57 Post subject: |
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escapist can you run some of the more common benchmarks and log the clocks of your CPU and GPU while doing it? post screenshots and i am sure people on the forum are willing to run their rigs at stock clocks ( several 7950 owners on here ) to compare with you and we will work from there on.
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| Posted: Thu, 4th Apr 2013 11:58 Post subject: |
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What settings are you using in the games, if you are just using presets like it seems from your initial post then you are likely also enabling 4x or even 8x MSAA which if so would as was said earlier explain the lower framerate.
In particular you also want to check the AMD CCC settings, if you have adaptive AA enabled (Or even SSAA which is really draining.) in combination with MSAA you'll see a massive performance hit due to how demanding those techniques are, also check that it's on box filter and not edge-detect which will also incur a high framerate hit if it's switched on.
(Edge-Detect only works at 4x MSAA or 8x MSAA but the end result is around 12x to 24x MSAA in effect if it's on, upwards of 16x to 32x MSAA effectively if you also have adaptive-AA enabled if I remember correctly.)
Oh and make sure the bios is up to date, the bios I had initially was a unlisted beta version and I've been maintaining it regularly since that first update, you usually don't have to do any advanced settings (Other than possibly the memory XMA profile.) but keeping it up to date is recommended and it's fairly easy too with the new bios functionality.
Also make sure the chipset software is installed, normally you never have to update this after initial install (It will just finish immediately without finding anything to upgrade.) but downloading the latest version and installing it might help.
http://www.station-drivers.com/page/intel%20chipset.htm
Oh and as HFric mentioned power-saving functionality can reduce CPU utilization but it should only be in effect when you are idling, not while running any games or other demanding programs.
(Insert here the usual advice about keeping Windows up to date, it's mostly for stability and security though but now and then there's some more critical fix or performance enhancement released.)
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| Posted: Thu, 4th Apr 2013 19:54 Post subject: |
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Thanks all i will try all that every1 mentioned thanks
Ryzen 5 3600 cpu@3.60 Mhz.
hyper x 32 gb ddr 4 memory.
Msi Carbon gaming pro ac motherboard.
Evga 600 psu.
Msi Armour rx 8 gb 5700 Graphic card.
Ps4 Standard 500gb.
Lg 4k 42 inch tv.
Oculus Quest 2.
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