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 Posted: Thu, 9th May 2013 13:42 Post subject: [iOS/Android] Android tablet or Ipad? |
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I am looking to get a tablet. Main uses are going to be surfing and watching videos. So I definitely want a 10" tablet, because 7 would not be that much of a difference to my phone.
I want to watch videos online (Youtube, Stream), as well as mkv files, so there has to be support for that (including subtitles).
I am currently tied between the Nexus 10 and the Ipad 4. There is an offer right now, where both would cost me the same (399€ for the Wifi 16GB version).
I am worried about the app support for Android tablets. Anybody can give their experiences with that?
On the other hand my phone is an i-device already, which would make an Android tablet a good second device in order to have something from both worlds.
What worries me most about the Ipad is that probably video-files have to be transferred over Itunes, which would make it a chore on different PCs. From the Nexus 10 I read it should be possible to just use a USB-storage-device when the Nexus is rooted.
Which would you choose or recommend?
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| Posted: Thu, 9th May 2013 13:48 Post subject: |
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If you want flawless MKV experience = Nexus 10 only
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| Posted: Thu, 9th May 2013 14:05 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 9th May 2013 14:12 Post subject: |
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I'm an apple bitch, I say go for the iPad.
Android is nice and all, but I just can't give up my ipad & iphone
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| Posted: Thu, 9th May 2013 14:19 Post subject: |
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For a tablet, iPad for sure. If you want "something of both worlds", then switch your phone to Android, where there is actually a decent selection of apps tailored for phones. The app selection for tablets is laughable.
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| Posted: Thu, 9th May 2013 14:27 Post subject: |
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Can you guys give some examples of the better app selection on Ipads? I've been thinking about buying a pad too instead of a laptop, but I can't decide what to go for. My gut tells me Android for the obvious reasons ('open' platform and all), but the Ipad's popularity must have some meaning me thinks
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| Posted: Thu, 9th May 2013 15:58 Post subject: |
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Before I continue, I'd go with the iPad purely for the bigger app library - on tablets I find that more important than on phones. Although I'd personally go with 7" this time 
One quick warning though; if you plan to ever connect it to a big display (monitor/TV) for whatever reason, expect it to be very, very, very flaky. Apple's HDMI adapter works like shit. I've also found that at least my iPad 3 seems to be much more sensitive to WiFi interference than my old laptop, my MBP or my phone.
| Interinactive wrote: | | I liked the customisation, the widgets, and the screen size, but I couldn't stand the crappy Android app selection. Not to mention how many of them are very poorly coded. Games would constantly crash (as would video playback). The worst thing was that there never seemed to be any direction that Android devs follow. Everything looks different, works differently, feels different, it was rare to have even a few apps that felt like they followed a standard. |
Horsecrap, good sir.
Not because Android doesn't have widely varying interfaces, but because iOS does just the same. All the good apps on either platform do not use the standard fucking interfaces.
Want proof? http://androidniceties.tumblr.com/
I'm sick of this bullshit argument. As someone who has used every single version of Android extensively since 1.6 and who has an iPad 3 and enjoys the damn thing I can not get my head around this bullshit argument I keep seeing time after time. And yes, the above are all 4.x screenshots; but many of those apps are/were around for 2.2/2.3 as well, where they still have the top bar, but have the overflow-menu under the actual menu button.
| Quote: | | And talk about fragmentation - holy crap. So many apps made for Android Device X, Y and Z, meanwhile - A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V and W aren't compatible. You see it in the comments of almost every single app. |
"Every single app" - way to exaggerate. The most common "problem" devices are Samsung ones, because..well, Samsung (very little documentation for their stuff, and what's there is bad). Even all the apps that do some pretty hardcore hardware stuff tend to work across every device.
The hardware fragmentation isn't a big issue at all, since most of that is abstracted into APIs anyway. The bigger problem still is the OS fragmentation, although with 4.x there's barely any fragmentation, because there's no breaking API changes between the minor versions unlike Eclair/Froyo/Gingerbread.
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| Posted: Thu, 9th May 2013 16:13 Post subject: |
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I can't remember an iOS app that doesn't have a similar Android app. Seriously.
Also real multi-tasking is something to consider - having a REAL Skype hanging in the background is so much easier faster and more convenient that this buggy iOS push thing.
But despite all that I use Ipad 4 because I don't use it for anything except browsing, reading magazines in PDF and comic books in CBR/CBZ and occasionally a couple of series episodes on a train or plane.
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| Posted: Thu, 9th May 2013 19:09 Post subject: |
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| Waargh wrote: | I can't remember an iOS app that doesn't have a similar Android app. Seriously.
Also real multi-tasking is something to consider - having a REAL Skype hanging in the background is so much easier faster and more convenient that this buggy iOS push thing.
But despite all that I use Ipad 4 because I don't use it for anything except browsing, reading magazines in PDF and comic books in CBR/CBZ and occasionally a couple of series episodes on a train or plane. |
Now that's a bunch of crap. Android multitasking is exactly the same as iOS. It is time all the "real multitasking" claimers research their claims. Multitasking on Android works exactly the same as iOS - close the app and it goes into suspended mode. You are thinking of the ancient times when Android was a memory hog because everything was running and using 100% CPU in the background (if it needed it). Ever since Google said "you no longer need a task manager", guess what, they implemented the exact same task management model as iOS, because it is very logical on small devices running on battery with limited CPU and GPU. In fact, on Android, the background management is a lot more aggressive; processes are killed way faster than they are on iOS, because on iOS, when a process goes into background mode, most frameworks release their cached memory to lower the memory usage to minimum. This is not easily done on Android.
Oh and guess what, on iOS, VOIP software runs in the background, surprise surprise, a "real multitasking". So do any app that is of categories that actually require "real multitasking" to run, as opposed to most software which can indeed be sustained with push. |
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| Posted: Thu, 9th May 2013 19:54 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | Now that's a bunch of crap. Android multitasking is exactly the same as iOS. It is time all the "real multitasking" claimers research their claims. Multitasking on Android works exactly the same as iOS - close the app and it goes into suspended mode. You are thinking of the ancient times when Android was a memory hog because everything was running and using 100% CPU in the background (if it needed it). Ever since Google said "you no longer need a task manager", guess what, they implemented the exact same task management model as iOS, because it is very logical on small devices running on battery with limited CPU and GPU. In fact, on Android, the background management is a lot more aggressive; processes are killed way faster than they are on iOS, because on iOS, when a process goes into background mode, most frameworks release their cached memory to lower the memory usage to minimum. This is not easily done on Android.
Oh and guess what, on iOS, VOIP software runs in the background, surprise surprise, a "real multitasking". So do any app that is of categories that actually require "real multitasking" to run, as opposed to most software which can indeed be sustained with push. |
A load of theory I see here. But on hand I have:
Ipad 4
Iphone 5
HTC One
and let's add an old Galaxy Tab 10.1
Skype, IM+ and IMO on both platforms.
Android: instant switch from background, all contacts online, all incoming messages already loaded (1 second in total)
iOS: push notification comes in -> start app -> app starts disconnected (!) -> wait for connect -> contacts load, incoming message loads (around 10-15 seconds)
it's more or less tolerable on Wifi but on 3G it's 
So real multi-tasking or not real at its core, the Android one works like like a PC and iOS is an abomination. That's why I use the Ipad only as an awesome e-reader and casual gaming platform.
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Are you killing Skype from the task manager? Because then it kills the process, just like on a PC. 
And it's not a theory, it's a fact on how the two operating systems work. Skype works as expected on iOS. Not familiar with IM+.
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Then there is something defective with your iOS. Unless you kill the process, or the OS really needs the memory, it remains in the background, working. Since it is a VOIP app, it has special permissions and won't be killed by the OS unless really necessary. I have not run in a case where iOS has killed Skype on my iPhone 4, 4S or iPad 3.
Go into iOS settings and take a look at the Skype settings. Specifically, what is configured under "Go Offline".
Just remember not to kill the task.
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| Posted: Thu, 9th May 2013 21:13 Post subject: |
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Leo's right in that they're similar, it's not 100% identical though. You can easily test it, open the browser (Safari, Chrome or Opera, doesn't matter) on both OSs. Open at least one tab, then switch to another app for like 10 minutes. On iOS, the browser's memory dump will be fucked with (how exactly I don't know, not gonna speculate on that  ). End result is that on iOS it'll be forced to reload that tab's content; it even happens if you have a bunch of tabs open and stay away from one for too long. On Android the tab'll fine, I haven't had it happen yet at least.
With some simpler Android apps that happens too, but that's because they've not set up their suspend/resume handlers properly
Android also doesn't kill it quicker Leo just like that, it depends on the app. Games do tend to get killed off, because they're memory hogs. But small apps very rarely get killed. They'll resume exactly where they left off, even network-enabled ones (just tested it with AndSMB, which I left on a share yesterday somewhere, opened it via the switcher and it went straight back into that share ).
And I agree with Waargh, for tablets I'd still go with an iPad again (but 7" like I said), but for a phone I still find Android far more productive (which is my primary use for my phone, fuck games)
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| Posted: Thu, 9th May 2013 21:14 Post subject: |
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| Waargh wrote: | | I can't remember an iOS app that doesn't have a similar Android app. Seriously. |
i love android and i have galaxy s3, but you are wrong about this one. there are SOOO MANY apps and especially games that aren't available on android, simply because small businesses that make those don't want to invest in android versions because of rampant piracy and bad sales. ios app versions outsell android 10:1 or what was it (i read article a long time ago). it's not all about piracy tho, also has to do with android fragmentation and many other factors.
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That's just a design choice by Apple in the development of Safari. To keep memory consumption low, they kill the entire internal WebCore tree for non-front tabs. This happens on Safari on OS X as well, actually, but there you really need some heavy pages to reach that behavior. They only kill tabs if safe and won't cause user-entered data loss. If you use Chrome, this behavior doesn't happen, and it does crash more often, whereas Safari has not crashed for me once that I remember on iOS 6 on either phone or tablet. Going to background also should not kill Safari (but again, it kills the non-front tabs quickly). But Webkit being Webkit, it is a memory consuming framework, so when Safari gets even a first-stage memory warning, it immediately clears what it can.
Chrome, using the standard UIWebView, which is a wrapper of a wrapper of a wrapper of WebKit, creates a similar effect to Safari when a memory warning is thrown, and releases its internal WebCore tree.
I said Android kills quicker because most apps release little to none memory when going down. That is a problem on memory starved devices. Of course, when you have 2GB device, this can be less of a problem, but still. Another problem is that most apps on Android don't restore where previously left, while most iOS software does (due to several reasons, like support for the old multitasking model, iOS6 view restoration API, etc.). iOS deals with multitasking much better. It is not uncommon to have 3D games remain inactive but alive in memory for days and not being killed. But Android has improved alot since the days of "true multitasking".
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| Posted: Thu, 9th May 2013 21:37 Post subject: |
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@ rgb: That's for paid-only apps and there's more to it; for one, iOS prices are retarded sometimes. Apple users tend to be more willing to pay those prices, so naturally revenue will be higher with a similar number of downloads. There are iOS apps out there which cost more than desktop apps, which is ridiculous. Then there's the whole ad-support story. A lot of Android users don't mind it and it'll take longer to get cash, but it'll also be a constant flow.
@ Leo: read what I wrote. What you say about "most apps on Android don't restore where left" is incorrect, it's the other way around. Most of the good apps have their suspend/resume handlers set up properly, so they resume exactly where they got suspended. Even after days.
On another (offtopic) note: the same applies to OS X vs. Windows in some cases with apps pricing as above - you don't happen to know of a good visual diff tool besides Araxis Merge? Because that is way overpriced and still not as good to use as Beyond Compare on Windows. I've searched for so long, but nothing gets anywhere near Beyond Compare 
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I meant restoration from killed state, not suspended.
You mean diff tool for text? I use Araxis Merge on Windows, but on OS X, I use DiffMerge. It's free and does a good job for what I need.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th May 2013 21:05 Post subject: |
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Does Safari have 'downloads' built into it yet ?
you know so if there's something to download on a webpage i can click on it and it downloads, like a pc, and then do what i like with the file.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th May 2013 21:19 Post subject: |
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No, sorry, no downloads. But it can download and open in other apps that support the formats.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th May 2013 02:17 Post subject: |
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@bringiton Congrats, you will enjoy it!
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| Posted: Wed, 15th May 2013 19:53 Post subject: |
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| bringiton wrote: | The display is just awesome, and somehow it is really something different than just a large Iphone  |
It really isn't. The HIG is completely different from the iPhone, the UI navigation stack is a lot more flatter, popovers, etc. |
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