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JackQ
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Dec 2013 11:30 Post subject: |
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So excited!!! Yay! More Telltale crap!
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Dec 2013 11:33 Post subject: |
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I like their games, but come on now.
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Saner
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Dec 2013 11:36 Post subject: |
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"To chop of penis press A"
| ragnarus wrote: |
I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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xExtreme
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Dec 2013 11:57 Post subject: |
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Well Telltale can fuck off on my books.
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JackQ
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Dec 2013 12:15 Post subject: |
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| rgb#000 wrote: | | oh great more bitching and moaning |
"Fuck Denuvo"
Your personal opinions != the rest of the forum
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Dec 2013 12:38 Post subject: |
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Fucking evolve already Telltale, all their games are going to be the same.
Mass-produced with the Telltale-Tool, all look alike, have the same limited choice architecture, same low-poly cartoony style.
They are stubbornly sticking with their formula, buying up well-liked licenses that are sure to generate money and churn out one product after another. Thats some mobile dev level of mentality.
Just because the Story in TWD was really great and emotional, and the characters well-written does not elevate it above every critique or give Telltale the golden ticket to repeat the same formula over and over again.
The huge amount of TT worshippers out there is blind to this. In 2 years, after 20 more games that are all the same hopefully you will at last wake up.
I don't mind their approach to the genre by taking away gameplay elements, I really like the genre of "interactive movies".
So since their games are already very specialized they should finally focus and evolve the things they can do best, like:
create a story with actually different outcomes and not this pseudo stuff
and evolve the fucking engine, try out different styles for different series, something realistic for a change, use contemporary face tech to capture emotions like La Noire not this low-budget crap
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Dec 2013 12:41 Post subject: |
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Nice, they have some quality shit.
Didn't realize they were doing Borderlands.
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JackQ
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Dec 2013 12:52 Post subject: |
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@Shocktrooper,Borderlands and GOT are not even out yet(not even Screens for GOT),and you already conclude they will have excaly the same mechnnic as TWD?
Tales From Borderlands looking faithful to borderlands series grpachics so far.
it's true that TWD didn't actually made huge different in outcome,but we only have TWO games with this formula:JP,and TWDSE1.
Wolf Among us did improve on this in is first episode,and hpefully it will improved in the next ones. and ACTUALLY can be said they improved things other TWD1 in terms of gameplay.
"Fuck Denuvo"
Your personal opinions != the rest of the forum
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Dec 2013 13:06 Post subject: |
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Borderlands is a perfect fit for their engine. It sounds very much like a convenient choice of them -
"which game could we capitalize on, that has an avid online following and that would be easiest to represent within the limited means of our crappy engine?"
Borderlands is the obvious answer.
I believe they all have the same mechanic because of the Telltale interviews during the VGX show. Watch it, the Telltale people keep talking of their games as adhering to the "Telltale-way".
They obviously have a concept, a formula, a mantra that they are following and I conclude all their games are going to be very much a like.
Havent played Wolf yet but I really loved the Walking Dead games...I just don't want to see Telltale stagnating in terms of tech and choice complexity and all the other precious franchises getting the exact same treatment. That will be tiresome.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Dec 2013 10:56 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Dec 2013 11:46 Post subject: |
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Yes, we do. I couldn't care less about their damn stories. I'm in gaming because I want to play games, not fucking movies. If I want a good story I can either read a book or you know... play a game that actually knows how to make good use of this medium, a game that knows that a good story is not an excuse for shitty pretty much non-existent gameplay.
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Saner
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Dec 2013 11:49 Post subject: |
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But you have plenty of games, for me I want things like this from TellTale, Quantic Dream and similar (truth be told I am struggling to think of similar devs)
I dont go into FPS threads saying "THEY SHOULD EVOLVE I DONT LIKE THIS TYPE OF GAME, IT SHOULD BE MORE STORY DRIVEN AND LESS PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW"
If you dont like it, dont fucking play it. Fact is other types of games (FTP / TPS etc) have hundreds of 'clones' have fun, if you like this type of game you are limited in your choices and you apreciate the effort company's like telltale put into storytelling and enjoy the ride.
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Dec 2013 11:54 Post subject: |
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| DarkRohirrim wrote: | | Yes, we do. I couldn't care less about their damn stories. I'm in gaming because I want to play games, not fucking movies. If I want a good story I can either read a book or you know... play a game that actually knows how to make good use of this medium, a game that knows that a good story is not an excuse for shitty pretty much non-existent gameplay. |
Don't forget that you're not forced to play their games, of course. Choice and variety in games, however, is always welcome. I for one thoroughly enjoyed TWD (despite the so-called non-existent gameplay) and am looking forward to their next releases as long as they can keep up (or better still: raise) the standard.
| Frant wrote: | | Shitass games are ruining piracy. |
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Dec 2013 11:55 Post subject: |
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Do I? I really don't, not these fucking days. No, because gamers apparently care more about story these days, so even franchises I once loved get turned into cinematic bullshit with tons of QTEs and what not because hey, that helps with the STORY!!! Also, I did watch The Walking Dead on YT and it was ok, I guess. However, about The Wolf Among Us I do feel bad, because it has such a cool world and it's wasted on an interactive movie, instead of an actual game. Also, don't even get me started on Quantic Dream, David Cage and their absolutely idiotic "games"! Oh my... just the thought of it makes me roll on the floor...
How about Telltale takes a look at games like Brothers - A Tale of Two Sons and Bastion, which try to tell a story through gameplay and succeed at it or Mark of the Ninja and Dust - An Elysian Tale, which don't even try that, but still happen to have really good stories, on top of what their focusing, which is top notch gameplay. How about that?! Again, a good story is not a fucking excuse for minimalist gameplay and bad one at that. Game developers should fucking realize the strenghts of this medium already.
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Saner
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Dec 2013 11:56 Post subject: |
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Fuck off back to Call of duty 17, or does that have too much story now to ?
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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Saner
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Dec 2013 11:58 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Saner wrote: | | I dont go into FPS threads saying "THEY SHOULD EVOLVE I DONT LIKE THIS TYPE OF GAME, IT SHOULD BE MORE STORY DRIVEN AND LESS PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW" |
Reminds me of the fucknuts that collectively ruined Final Fantasy  Whined so long and so loud about gameplay elements that were KEY to the series, the new developers radically changed *everything* so now the games are shallow piss-pots that only cater to the new "EVOLVE!! EVOLVE!!! I WANT I WANT I WANT" newcomers whilst pissing off (and on...) the fans that made the series as popular as it was. Hell, you could remove "Final Fantasy" and substitute it for anything... such as Thief or Hitman. |
Final Fantasy died after Final Fantasy X, Lost Odyssey was great though but as that underperformed it is no doubt dead too (honourable mention to Blue Dragon)
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa! |
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Dec 2013 12:01 Post subject: |
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| DarkRohirrim wrote: | | Also, don't even get me started on Quantic Dream, David Cage and their absolutely idiotic "games"! Oh my... just the thought of it makes me roll on the floor... |
Then don't fucking play them? Simple answer to a strange rant. The games (yes, they are games) obviously don't appeal to you so you're not the audience. I can't stand sports games, but you don't see me sitting here raging about "sports games"
"I want to play a fucking videogame, not play sports! Fuck! Fuck this fucking fuck! If I wanted to play fucking football I'd go outfuckingside! Why make fucking sports into videogames? That doesn't make any fucking sense!"
Same argument you make about QD and Telltale titles. They're obviously not your genre, so what does it matter? THIS interpretation of GoT is an interactive adventure novel-stroke-game, if you want a fleshed out RPG then go play it.. it exists. If you want an RTS then go play it, it exists as well. Tales of Borderlands not grabbbing you? Go play the original FPS!
| Saner wrote: | | Final Fantasy died after Final Fantasy X, Lost Odyssey was great though but as that underperformed it is no doubt dead too (honourable mention to Blue Dragon) |
Agreed - and yes, I'm also including the FFXI MMO shite and the "all the talent has gone now and we don't know what the fuck to do so let's just make a pseudo-MMO instead" XII.
... and yes, Blue Dragon was great as well
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Dec 2013 12:02 Post subject: |
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| DarkRohirrim wrote: | | No, because gamers apparently care more about story these days, so even franchises I once loved get turned into cinematic bullshit with tons of QTEs and what not because hey, that's more important, because STORY!!! |
Sorry, mate, wrong.
QTEs =/= story. I hate QTEs because it's fucking laziness from the developers' side, but I could bear with the few instances in TWD. However, all the QTEsl faded into the background in light of the choice and consequences mechanism (read: story-driving elements) that was implemented, and which worked pretty well. It was far from perfect, and admittedly, some choices (or rather, the lack thereof) really irritated me, but all in all, it was a huge experience. I'm glad I didn't miss out on this title.
| Frant wrote: | | Shitass games are ruining piracy. |
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Dec 2013 12:03 Post subject: |
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So far I haven't seen franchises turn into QTE fests for story... I just see them turn into QTE fests with dreadful or non existing stories. And I hope the we don't like telltale crowd stays away from their forum. I like their games, and if they can keep the level of storytelling high I'll be glad to take all the flaws.
I still find 'To The Moon' one of my better games played this year and it has 0 gameplay
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Dec 2013 12:03 Post subject: |
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How is that the same?! Sports games are games, regardless of the fact that I like them or not. These are not, I'm sorry. But no, nobody even tries to listen to what I'm trying to say. No, because it's fine having no game in your game these days. Thanks, gamers...
Whatever, keep saying it's fine, I'm done. I'm done expecting this industry to evolve instead of going downhill.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Dec 2013 12:10 Post subject: |
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| DarkRohirrim wrote: | How is that the same?! Sports games are games, regardless of the fact that I like them or not. These are not, I'm sorry. But no, nobody even tries to listen to what I'm trying to say. No, because it's fine having no game in your game these days. Thanks, gamers...
Whatever, keep saying it's fine, I'm done. I'm done expecting this industry to evolve instead of going downhill. |
I'm not getting your point. These are SPIN-OFFS. Telltale has always done these kinds of games and putting out a story-based game in Telltale style doesn't mean GoT has been ruined forever and now all titles based on GoT will be "interactive movies" - so what's your point? These sort of games aren't affecting you in the slightest, not one bit! It's not like taking a fan-beloved franchise like Hitman and butchering it for the derpa generation, or taking Syndicate and turning it into a fucking FPS, this is just Telltale doing what Telltale does best --- and doing what their fanbase love about, and expect of, them.
Oh and the "Sports games are games ... these are not" is actually quite irritating to be honest. Who are you to say what is a game and what isn't? You don't like these kinds of games, which is fine, but you're absolutely wrong in your narrow and blanket statements of "these are not games" - not to you maybe, but they certainly are to the millions of others that play them.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Dec 2013 12:31 Post subject: |
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Holy shite! Not this argument again. Let's start asking some of the biggest and fastest selling AAA franchises like Call of Duty series and the likes to evolve is gameplay first (not visuals).
| Quote: | | I'm in gaming because I want to play games, not fucking movies. |
This is a logic, I fail to understand. Who said that movies are the only medium for story telling? It's like saying why should I watch a comedy movie, when I can just watch a stand up comedian cater exclusively to it. They are a form of entertainment, just like games are. There can be some movies with zero story-line but still manage to entertain. In a similar manner, there are a certain genre of games which might have a good story telling technique with minimal gameplay, but offering choices to alter it's course. They are still regarded as games nonetheless, QTE or not.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Dec 2013 13:07 Post subject: |
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I'm so fucking tired of this "no gameplay", "it's not a game" bullshit argument.
I mean, ffs, a typical corridor shooter which essentially makes you repeat the same action over and over and over again, uses cloned enemies and heavily scripted encounters is a game, but something that let's you talk to people choosing your own responses and building your character in the way you desire, something that forces you to make hard choices in mere seconds, concerning characters it actually takes time and effort to develop - and later, sometimes also deal with that choice's consequences - is not. What kind of a retarded logic is that?
I got more fun out of my one TWD playthrough than most shooters/slashers/whatever released that year. Combined. "Game" is a broad term - and so is "gameplay". You don't like Telltale games? You don't have to. Noone's forcing you to play them, after all. We have an abundance of "normal" games, so choose your pick. There are people who like what they do - quite a lot ofthem, in fact - so let them enjoy that one or two Telltale/QD-style interactive stories they get each year.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Dec 2013 13:42 Post subject: |
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| Aquma wrote: | I'm so fucking tired of this "no gameplay", "it's not a game" bullshit argument.
I mean, ffs, a typical corridor shooter which essentially makes you repeat the same action over and over and over again, uses cloned enemies and heavily scripted encounters is a game, but something that let's you talk to people choosing your own responses and building your character in the way you desire, something that forces you to make hard choices in mere seconds, concerning characters it actually takes time and effort to develop - and later, sometimes also deal with that choice's consequences - is not. What kind of a retarded logic is that?
I got more fun out of my one TWD playthrough than most shooters/slashers/whatever released that year. Combined. "Game" is a broad term - and so is "gameplay". You don't like Telltale games? You don't have to. Noone's forcing you to play them, after all. We have an abundance of "normal" games, so choose your pick. There are people who like what they do - quite a lot ofthem, in fact - so let them enjoy that one or two Telltale/QD-style interactive stories they get each year. |
+1
no, actually
+over9000
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