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You'd never think that it would happen to you. The threat of being sued was always there, but always just far enough that you believe it does not apply to you. So you sit down, relax, and turn on your favorite proggie. Unbeknownst to you, there are people out there with nothing better to do than ass-rape you with the DMCA. They stalk 12 year old girls, they pillage and rape at will. They call us pirates.
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Dear ##### #######,
We are writing as a courtesy to let you know that we have received
notification from one or more owners of copyrights claiming that their
work has been transmitted over the Internet from your account without
their permission. Copyright owners may include motion picture studios,
the recording industry or others who produce or distribute legally
protected material. (Please see enclosed notice(s)). We are concerned
that either you or a person with access to your account may be unknowingly
participating in certain file sharing or server-related activities that
led to this complaint.
As you may recall, the Optimum Online Terms of Service posted at
www.optonline.net require compliance with all applicable laws and
specifically prohibits the use of the Optimum Online system for copyright
infringement.
We consider you a valued customer, so we wanted to let you know that if
the copyright holder pursues this claim, or if there are additional
claims, it could lead to legal action against you. We may be required by
law to release private information about you and to suspend, or even
terminate, your service. We want to help you prevent this from happening.
In order to assist you in your future use of our service, we encourage you
to visit www.optonline.net/copyright for tips and guidelines that we hope
will give you all the information you need to avoid further action on this
matter or on other matters.
We regret having to send notices like this, and we do not wish to alarm
you unnecessarily, but we have a responsibility to advise you of any
notices concerning your account.
If you have any questions about our Optimum Online policies, please feel
free to contact us at the Customer Service Center, 516-803-9311. We
appreciate your business, and look forward to providing you with
excellence in broadband service for many years to come.
Regards,
####### ## ########
Registered Copyright Agent
Cablevision Systems Corporation
[-------Copy of Complaint------]
From: paramount@copyright-compliance.com
Received: ###########
Subject: DMCA Notice [Notice ID: ##########]
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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Optimum Online (Cablevision Systems)
111 New South Road
Notice ID:#######
Notice Date:#############
Dear Sir or Madam:
BayTSP, Inc. ("BayTSP") swears under penalty of perjury that Paramount
Pictures Corporation ("Paramount") has authorized BayTSP to act as its
non-exclusive agent for copyright infringement notification. BayTSP's
search of the protocol listed below has detected infringements of
Paramount's copyright interests on your IP addresses as detailed in the
attached report.
BayTSP has reasonable good faith belief that use of the material in the
manner complained of in the attached report is not authorized by
Paramount, its agents, or the law. The information provided herein is
accurate to the best of our knowledge. Therefore, this letter is an
official notification to effect removal of the detected infringement
listed in the attached report. The attached documentation specifies the
exact location of the infringement.
We hereby request that you immediately remove or block access to the
infringing material, as specified in the copyright laws, and insure the
user refrains from using or sharing with others Paramount's materials in
the future (see, 17 U.S.C. §512).
Further, we believe that the entire Internet community benefits when
these matters are resolved cooperatively. We urge you to take immediate
action to stop this infringing activity and inform us of the results of
your actions. We appreciate your efforts toward this common goal.
Please send us a prompt response indicating the actions you have taken to
resolve this matter. Please reference the Notice ID number above in your
response.
Nothing in this letter shall serve as a waiver of any rights or remedies
of Paramount with respect to the alleged infringement, all of which are
expressly reserved. Should you need to contact me, I may be reached at the
following address:
##### #######
##### ##########
BayTSP, Inc.
PO Box 1314
Los Gatos, CA 95031
v: ###-###-####
f: ###-###-####
paramount-picture@copyright-compliance.com
*pgp public key is available on the key server at
ldap://keyserver.pgp.com
Note: The information transmitted in this Notice is intended only for
the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential
and/or privileged material. Any review, reproduction, retransmission,
dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon,
this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient
is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender
and delete the material from all computers.
This infringement notice contains an XML tag that can be used to automate
the processing of this data. If you would like more information on how to
use this tag please contact BayTSP.
Infringed Work: Jackass: The Movie
Infringing FileName: Jackass The Movie.avi
Infringing FileSize: #########
Protocol: BitTorrent
Infringers IP Address: ###########
Infringer's User Name:
Infringer's DNS Name: ###################
Initial Infringement Timestamp: 27 Jan 2005 ###### GMT
Recent Infringement Timestamp: 27 Jan 2005 ###### GMT
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I'm as lost as you guys are...
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 05:54 Post subject: |
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This is why I am glad I have SBC DSL. (Not Only is it a great connection to begin with) I don't have to worry about these assholes as much just because SBC has refused to give the RIAA and MPAA etc.. The identitys of people who downloaded copyrighted files. My friend on the other hand, who downloads almost nothing compared to me in the "illegal" department, got a letter from comcrap almost instantly saying the same thing you got there. I would suggest you convert to DSL if possible. It seems all cable internet providers are letting the RIAA and MPAA anal rape them like this.
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Esel_Gesi
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 06:08 Post subject: |
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that sucks.
I received something similarto that a couple years back concerning a game boy advance game back when my cable was handled by at&t. since they sold to comcast or whatever ive received nothing like this.
my only problem with comcast is that before they took over my cable i could get 800k/sec now im pretty much capped at 350.
btw where is chi are you from Mchart? seems we have a few windy city residents on this board.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 06:18 Post subject: |
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South Side. Cable is not an option here. Just because the nodes are overloaded like you cant beleive. I would be lucky to get 500kBITS for download speed during peak times. Where as with my adsl its a constant 2.5mbit down (after overhead). Not to mention I get better ping times because it is DSL. The faster upload is obvious.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 06:20 Post subject: |
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Might I point out that if you vote in the "Negative" for this poll, I would hope to god you voted in the "Affirmative" to the steam blows poll. Only makes sense.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 06:24 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | Might I point out that if you vote in the "Negative" for this poll, I would hope to god you voted in the "Affirmative" to the steam blows poll. Only makes sense. |
Steam Blows... yep, that's an affirmative, as you could tell from my posts there. My question is what do I do now? |
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 06:26 Post subject: |
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| Accelleron wrote: | | Mchart wrote: | | Might I point out that if you vote in the "Negative" for this poll, I would hope to god you voted in the "Affirmative" to the steam blows poll. Only makes sense. |
Steam Blows... yep, that's an affirmative, as you could tell from my posts there. My question is what do I do now? |
If you are able to get DSL. I would most deffinately move to it. (assuming its provided through SBC, because of their security) If not, I would get DSL anyways 
All I would do is say you deleted the file (but dont actually delete the file). And then thats that. Because they wont know. Unless they go snooping onto your computer. If you then receive further mail saying that you were lying, you allready have a positive on your side. They snooped on your computer. You can continue downloading copyrighted files and what not at your leisure, because they all send the mail when those fuckers send them a notice that they need info on the certain violators IP.
Anyways, like I said, I would get SBC dsl. They are currently in court with the RIAA right now dealing with this whole issue, because they dont want to give out user information to those fuckers. Currently the case seems to be in their favor, and if they win, this will basically mean that if you use SBC for your internet services, there is no way you will ever get caught by those fuckers.
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Esel_Gesi
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 06:32 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | South Side. |
Im from the south/south-west suburbs. glad you like SBC cause they are essentially paying my tuition.
| Accelleron wrote: | | what do do now? |
When i got mine i stopped all uploading i was doing (for a while). it's worked so for. I suggest stopping/cutting down on the BT activity.
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 06:33 Post subject: |
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i don't see a problem here... i'm not kidding, we all do this and know we are breaking the law... you break the law you pay for it. if all stealing and stuff was ok everyone would steal a little here, a little there and the world would get fucked.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 06:36 Post subject: |
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I dont view downloading music or movies as a crime. Games and programs, is another story. But for music or movies, I dont see any problem with that.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 06:40 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | | Accelleron wrote: | | Mchart wrote: | | Might I point out that if you vote in the "Negative" for this poll, I would hope to god you voted in the "Affirmative" to the steam blows poll. Only makes sense. |
Steam Blows... yep, that's an affirmative, as you could tell from my posts there. My question is what do I do now? |
If you are able to get DSL. I would most deffinately move to it. (assuming its provided through SBC, because of their security) If not, I would get DSL anyways
All I would do is say you deleted the file (but dont actually delete the file). And then thats that. Because they wont know. Unless they go snooping onto your computer. If you then receive further mail saying that you were lying, you allready have a positive on your side. They snooped on your computer. You can continue downloading copyrighted files and what not at your leisure, because they all send the mail when those fuckers send them a notice that they need info on the certain violators IP.
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I only downloaded 100MB (~10%) of the file, and since then have deleted it.
As for info, Cablevision seemed more than happy to provide the info in the e-mail.
I'm considering just getting a High-Anonymity proxy (which would significantly hack my speed), and just using all as normal through there. The problem is, the data goes through CV anyway, and I'm kind of nervous that those fuckers will pass the goods on to the RIAA.
And no, SBC DSL isn't available in my area ;( |
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 06:44 Post subject: |
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| MAD_MAX333 wrote: | | i don't see a problem here... i'm not kidding, we all do this and know we are breaking the law... you break the law you pay for it. if all stealing and stuff was ok everyone would steal a little here, a little there and the world would get fucked. |
You live in Canada. The only threat you have of legal action is if the twats from your version of the RIAA actually get off their asses to sue you. You guys don't have a fraction of the suits we do in the U.S., so you have less reason to worry than I originally.
And as for breaking the law, I guess you're one to talk. Given the fact that you're on this board (as a mod, no less), I'll guess that you have downloaded plenty of files yourself. Therefore, please don't be a hypocrite. I'm just looking for some advice, the last thing I need are people flaming me for it on (of all places) NFOrce. |
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 08:04 Post subject: |
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hahaahah you could have mentioned me being a cop too while you are at it... i never said what i did was more "right" than you, just saying its all illegal and since its against the law the system SHOULD work and punish those who break the law... if it happens to fall upon me then so be it... i got the letter you got 2 years ago so you are not that special. and i am not flaming you, i'm stating what i think of your situation and others who find themselves in it. nothing is going to happen to you .. stop worrying.if they sent you a warning letter then you are clear, they have much bigger fish to fry.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 08:56 Post subject: |
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| MAD_MAX333 wrote: | | hahaahah you could have mentioned me being a cop too while you are at it... i never said what i did was more "right" than you, just saying its all illegal and since its against the law the system SHOULD work and punish those who break the law... if it happens to fall upon me then so be it... i got the letter you got 2 years ago so you are not that special. and i am not flaming you, i'm stating what i think of your situation and others who find themselves in it. nothing is going to happen to you .. stop worrying.if they sent you a warning letter then you are clear, they have much bigger fish to fry. |
You're [seriously] a cop? That would explain your views, but I am then mystified at the reason why you are not buying every piece of shit God^H^H^H the INDUSTRY throws at us, and yipping to get ripped off again like the rest of the mindless consumers^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H general population.
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razor1394
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 09:31 Post subject: |
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Sorry for you dude, but that happens to people every day. If you use P2P applications or download in other public places you will get caught sooner or later. I didn't have time to read it all but I guess you got warned and they didn't terminate you connection?
Mchart -> Both both music/moves and apps/games are equal as serious as I see it. If you download any of those and use them without having the original you are violating the copyright. It's a crime because of the law, but still I don't see anything wrong with downloading stuff as long as software, movie -companies and music distributors put so much crap on the shelf.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 09:49 Post subject: |
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| razor1394 wrote: | Sorry for you dude, but that happens to people every day. If you use P2P applications or download in other public places you will get caught sooner or later. I didn't have time to read it all but I guess you got warned and they didn't terminate you connection?
Mchart -> Both both music/moves and apps/games are equal as serious as I see it. If you download any of those and use them without having the original you are violating the copyright. It's a crime because of the law, but still I don't see anything wrong with downloading stuff as long as software, movie -companies and music distributors put so much crap on the shelf. |
What can I say... not everyone's got access to gbit 0days... |
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MAD_MAX333
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Esel_Gesi
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 14:22 Post subject: |
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plz post the list of the top ten. im curious.
::waits to be #2 cause of this post::
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 16:30 Post subject: |
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*you are number 1 out of 1 on my list
meaning he is the only one... i'm joking ofcourse, live and let live...
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 16:44 Post subject: |
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I find it funny when people are shocked that they get letters like this.
1 - don't use torrents
2 - the companies are merely protecting their business
3 - it's illegal
Im a cockfag
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Esel_Gesi
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 16:49 Post subject: |
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| MAD_MAX333 wrote: | *you are number 1 out of 1 on my list
meaning he is the only one... i'm joking ofcourse, live and let live... |
i guess i should stop posting in the morning because i cannot read.  |
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 18:54 Post subject: |
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| Accelleron wrote: | | MAD_MAX333 wrote: | | i don't see a problem here... i'm not kidding, we all do this and know we are breaking the law... you break the law you pay for it. if all stealing and stuff was ok everyone would steal a little here, a little there and the world would get fucked. |
You live in Canada. The only threat you have of legal action is if the twats from your version of the RIAA actually get off their asses to sue you. You guys don't have a fraction of the suits we do in the U.S., so you have less reason to worry than I originally.
And as for breaking the law, I guess you're one to talk. Given the fact that you're on this board (as a mod, no less), I'll guess that you have downloaded plenty of files yourself. Therefore, please don't be a hypocrite. I'm just looking for some advice, the last thing I need are people flaming me for it on (of all places) NFOrce. |
Potential lawsuits aren't your only problem. You should also be concerned that your ISP, with enough notifications of copyright infringement, will terminate your service to avoid the wrath of the RIAA/MPAA/etc themselves. Either you'll learn your lesson when you join another broadband service, or they send a few more letters and get you kicked off again. If you think about it from the RIAA/MPAA's perspective, they've just eliminated another broadband source for music and movies. They don't need to sue you, just scare you or ultimately reduce you down to the somewhat managable threat of a dialup user. These scare tactics and bullying tactics seem to be working pretty well for the MPAA/RIAA, although its bad for their PR.
For the time being, you might want to consider Esel Gesi's idea of "stopping/cutting down on the BT activity" until you can protect your identity from the MPAA/RIAA thugs or until some reasonable measure of time has passed. Keep showing illegal bittorrent activity to a monitoring group like BayTSP and you very well might be sued and your broadband connection terminated. 
My 2 cents on the matter, and good luck.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2005 22:11 Post subject: |
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| Siddhartha wrote: | | Accelleron wrote: | | MAD_MAX333 wrote: | | i don't see a problem here... i'm not kidding, we all do this and know we are breaking the law... you break the law you pay for it. if all stealing and stuff was ok everyone would steal a little here, a little there and the world would get fucked. |
You live in Canada. The only threat you have of legal action is if the twats from your version of the RIAA actually get off their asses to sue you. You guys don't have a fraction of the suits we do in the U.S., so you have less reason to worry than I originally.
And as for breaking the law, I guess you're one to talk. Given the fact that you're on this board (as a mod, no less), I'll guess that you have downloaded plenty of files yourself. Therefore, please don't be a hypocrite. I'm just looking for some advice, the last thing I need are people flaming me for it on (of all places) NFOrce. |
Potential lawsuits aren't your only problem. You should also be concerned that your ISP, with enough notifications of copyright infringement, will terminate your service to avoid the wrath of the RIAA/MPAA/etc themselves. Either you'll learn your lesson when you join another broadband service, or they send a few more letters and get you kicked off again. If you think about it from the RIAA/MPAA's perspective, they've just eliminated another broadband source for music and movies. They don't need to sue you, just scare you or ultimately reduce you down to the somewhat managable threat of a dialup user. These scare tactics and bullying tactics seem to be working pretty well for the MPAA/RIAA, although its bad for their PR.
For the time being, you might want to consider Esel Gesi's idea of "stopping/cutting down on the BT activity" until you can protect your identity from the MPAA/RIAA thugs or until some reasonable measure of time has passed. Keep showing illegal bittorrent activity to a monitoring group like BayTSP and you very well might be sued and your broadband connection terminated.
My 2 cents on the matter, and good luck. |
This is why you convert to SBC or any ISP owned by SBC . There is a great chance they will win the case to.
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005 08:34 Post subject: |
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| MAD_MAX333 wrote: | | Accelleron wrote: | | MAD_MAX333 wrote: | | hahaahah you could have mentioned me being a cop too while you are at it... i never said what i did was more "right" than you, just saying its all illegal and since its against the law the system SHOULD work and punish those who break the law... if it happens to fall upon me then so be it... i got the letter you got 2 years ago so you are not that special. and i am not flaming you, i'm stating what i think of your situation and others who find themselves in it. nothing is going to happen to you .. stop worrying.if they sent you a warning letter then you are clear, they have much bigger fish to fry. |
You're [seriously] a cop? That would explain your views, but I am then mystified at the reason why you are not buying every piece of shit God^H^H^H the INDUSTRY throws at us, and yipping to get ripped off again like the rest of the mindless consumers^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H general population.
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wtf does that mean???
i don't like it when people generalize cops without knowing anything and consider them stupid...
you just got added to the list of people i don't like in this forum...
/adds acceleron
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It's called irony, max...
The commentary was not on you [I hope] or cops in general, I was criticizing the morons of society who live by the word of their corporate overlords, consume "just because it's there", eat up everything somebody with any degreee of authority tells them without question, and vote for Bush.
These guys provide corps with a stable base of consumers that won't take into attention the company's PR image, reputation, customer service, environmental policies, political relations, etc. when buying. I'm not saying that you should stand in front of a grocery store's refridgerator and consider Heineken's political ties, but nevertheless you should react to certain companies that treat everyone but their investors and executives like shit. One example is the entertainment industry.
My problem with the situation is that these people can, do, and will get away with both ripping you off and treating you like shit, even if you boycott them, because there are enough clueless people and idiots out there to give them continued support, even when they deserve to shut down. That's why the entertainment industry is continuing the lawsuits. That's why Bush could afford to lose thousands of people to drop oil prices. That's why shitty television shows like [insert talk show here] continue to operate. This is seriously undermining the position of intelligent consumers. That's why I'm worried about people having the views you expressed.
As for companies protecting their rights, when do I get to sue BMG for releasing dog shit? When does an artist get to sue Sony for ripping him/her off? When does anyone get to sue the Big 5 for hoarding ~96% of the money I'm allegedly paying the artist. When do I get to sue Columbia Tristar/Warner Brothers for releasing a shit T2 "Special Edition" that forgets to mention that I need to get a 3-day licence to watch? When do I get to sue Valve for not marketing their software as "Requires Authentification", "Controlled By Publisher", or "Licence May Terminate Without Warning"? When do I sue BMG for releasing an "Enhanced" CD that won't play in my car stereo?
As soon as I get to sue or even threaten any of those companies in a way that is at least as substantial as the way I was threatened, I will be content. Sadly, boycotting them is not sufficient, due largely to the aforementioned group of morons. Until I can do to them what they've done to me, the state of the entertainment industry is indeed pathetic.
And for the record, I see nothing wrong with filesharing. As I see it, my views would stop me from paying these companies as much as possible, so they aren't losing anything substantial on me. I see myself, and the scene in general, as the element that brings some balance to a scale tipped largely in the entertainment industry's favor. Thus I see myself as posing a threat to a shitty industry in the only way I can.
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005 10:11 Post subject: |
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My answer to this might be country specific ... sooo ....
I remember not too many months ago that the government here in Canada ruled something along the lines of it was illegal to upload .... but not to download .... I'm still working on that decision when it comes to deciding when the get t3e l33t ...
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MAD_MAX333
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but that's not right... listen... i use to do armed security for a hotel in Toronto... it was upscale, and the valet parking keys were on the wall for all the expensive cars... there was no camera, no way of proving it was me or someone whom I gave the key to... I could easily take a key ( or give to a friend) and steal a car... I don't like Ferrari and my views would not make me buy one ( even if i was rich) but if the keys are there and no one to catch me ( I’m the guard) then why not take it??? Maybe I just want to "test" drive it to see how it feel, i might even someday buy it... sound familiar?
it DOES apply to warez, the expensive car is the hundreds of games, music and movies which we could NOT afford to get in real life.. to say well i wouldn't buy it anyway so what do they have to lose is not going to work... the difference between online and offline theft is that you can feel your crime in real life, unlike online which to you as long as no one contacts you its a victim less crime against the big faceless corps..
call me a hypocrite but since i work in law enforcement i have a respect for the law, so although my actions here might be questionable, i do it KNOWING that it is wrong and will NOT complain if there were charges brought up against me.
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nouseforaname
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005 12:07 Post subject: |
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let me use the car example again, what if i took the key and took the car for a spin??? is the owner losing money by me doing a few turns?? not likely to be that much BUT still, illegal.
and yes you ARE stealing, it's the law and i studied the stupid law for 10 months and 2 years before that in the foundations course
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| Posted: Thu, 3rd Feb 2005 12:22 Post subject: |
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Of course there is a difference. If you take the car for a spin, the owner can't use his car during that time, therefor the use for him is limited during the spin.
But if you copy a cd and use it, the owner still can use it at any time without being limited by your actions. There are numerous differences between information goods and material goods.
So companies only loose money if you would have bought the game/movie/etc... but instead you copied it. If you just copy soemthing without ever using it, no one looses anything.
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