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Shamelessly stolen from xda forums.
5 video's about this, made a playlist of it to make it easier: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1AA5B4A46C9871D3&feature=plcp
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| Posted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 20:25 Post subject: |
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Totally irrelevant to this topic, yet if you would had watched the video before posting some random bullshit (with prolly the intention that only 4.0 would be "better" then ios), you would had seen that in the second he uses an older build (2.2) compared to ipad 3 
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| Posted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 20:35 Post subject: |
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No, I have no intention to waste 75 minutes of my life watching these videos.
As a developer, Android adoption and fragmentation is pathetic to me. Obviously you have no idea what it means for developers, so I won't bore you with the details, but development for Android is horrible. And if a developer wants to take advantage of new APIs, he can only target a fraction of the install base. Fantastic. All this amounts to you unable to enjoy the full extent of your device and OS' capabilities through applications. But you can open a link in horrible mail application in a custom browser. Good for you, truly.
But yes, it's easier to put ugly bullshit like Sense without jailbraeking on Android than it is on iOS. Having to install custom roms to get latest OS update is part of the fun of the Android experience. 
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sausje
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| Posted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 20:40 Post subject: |
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If you even cannot be bothered with watching the video, in wich he has really good arguements about it all, then stop posting here.
You are clearly prejudged about it all
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| sausje wrote: | If you even cannot be bothered with watching the video, in wich he has really good arguements about it all, then stop posting here.
You are clearly prejudged about it all |
I see, so if I like over the other more, I am "prejudged". I will post as much as I want where I want. You don't like it - report.
I spent a week with a Nexus with 4.0. It is a bad experience for me. I didn't like it. Do I want iOS to be open? Sure. Is Android an alternative for me? No. |
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I find it funny how people who have not touched iOS for more than few seconds at a time call me "prejudged".
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| Posted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 20:54 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | sausje wrote: | If you even cannot be bothered with watching the video, in wich he has really good arguements about it all, then stop posting here.
You are clearly prejudged about it all |
I see, so if I like over the other more, I am "prejudged". |
No you are prejudged about it because you always dismiss the facts about Apple.
Every GOOD arguement made about why Apple and it's products are shit, you seem to just ignore.
Aka typical Apple fanboy blindness.
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| Posted: Thu, 5th Jul 2012 21:00 Post subject: |
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So his taste is inconvenient clusterfucked homescreens with not even true multi-tasking operating system that has inconsistent app designs
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What issue have I ignored? Just because I don't comment on something doesn't mean I ignore it. Sometimes I don't have anything to add. Is it too locked down? Yes it is. But having to jailbreak is as retarded as having to root - and it is much better than having to install custom roms. Now, taking all shortcomings of both platforms, I'd take iOS' over Androids.
I lolled at "inconsistent app design" (post some examples), as if Android applications are any better. Sure Android 4 applications are somewhat pleasant, but Play apps are mostly horrible, looking completely different from one another. Again, I'd surrender some functionality (like real file access) on a phone/tablet OS for visual consistency and clear guidelines. In this regard, Android is like typical Linux software crap - each looks completely different and often outdated.
As for multitasking, as usual you show complete ignorance.
http://www.davidquintana.com/entry/mobile-multitasking
http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#ActivityLifecycle
Old versions of Android had "true" multitasking (in the classic desktop use of the word). Newer Android uses a similar in ways multitasking approach to iOS - inactive applications are put in a suspended state to conserve CPU utilization and battery life. The major difference is Android allows services to run in the background whereas Android has push notifications and specialized background modes which still guarantee the app does only what it asks to do and not things like UI rendering, etc. iOS is a full fledged Unix machine (just like Android is Linux) - don't confuse the OS' multitasking capabilities with specific app behavior.
But don't let me confuse you with facts - I am a fanboy and you have "GOOD" arguments.
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | What issue have I ignored? Just because I don't comment on something doesn't mean I ignore it. Sometimes I don't have anything to add. Is it too locked down? Yes it is. But having to jailbreak is as retarded as having to root - and it is much better than having to install custom roms. Now, taking all shortcomings of both platforms, I'd take iOS' over Androids. |
Custom roms have ALWAYS been more superior then the stock ones, so that rooting is better is bullshit.
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I lolled at "inconsistent app design" (post some examples), as if Android applications are any better. Sure Android 4 applications are somewhat pleasant, but Play apps are mostly horrible, looking completely different from one another. Again, I'd surrender some functionality (like real file access) on a phone/tablet OS for visual consistency and clear guidelines. In this regard, Android is like typical Linux software crap - each looks completely different and often outdated. |
A good example he gave in the video: the back button, for android it's ALWAYS in the same spot, for ios it depends per app.
Wich is just inconvenient
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As for multitasking, as usual you show complete ignorance.
http://www.davidquintana.com/entry/mobile-multitasking
http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html#ActivityLifecycle
Old versions of Android had "true" multitasking (in the classic desktop use of the word). Newer Android uses a similar in ways multitasking approach to iOS - inactive applications are put in a suspended state to conserve CPU utilization and battery life. The major difference is Android allows services to run in the background whereas Android has push notifications and specialized background modes which still guarantee the app does only what it asks to do and not things like UI rendering, etc. iOS is a full fledged Unix machine (just like Android is Linux) - don't confuse the OS' multitasking capabilities with specific app behavior. |
About this that could be true, i really didn't look into it yet. I only said what the guy says and showed in the video.
Tho again, with android you have the power to have control over this, wich you don't have on ios.
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| sausje wrote: | | Custom roms have ALWAYS been more superior then the stock ones, so that rooting is better is bullshit. |
I don't say custom ROMs are not better - I say they are USELESS *if* the original ROM was good, not full of custom crap loaders. Clean Google ROM would be best, not the shit each OEM puts there (like Sense, TouchWiz, etc).
| sausje wrote: | A good example he gave in the video: the back button, for android it's ALWAYS in the same spot, for ios it depends per app.
Wich is just inconvenient |
Huh? Not sure about what he says in the video, but the guidelines are very easy to follow - on navigation stack views there is back button and on modal views there is close button. How he get confused over that? 
| sausje wrote: | | Tho again, with android you have the power to have control over this, wich you don't have on ios. |
It is pointless on both. If an application is written properly on iOS or Android, it should not be running in the background for more than it needs, and both allow this. You can compile the kernel in Linux - so? I ain't moving from Windows yet. And in either Android or iOS, you would have to install some package that replaces how multitasking might be implemented. On iOS there is Backgrounded which does what you'd call real multitasking and it's useless with proper apps. |
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I know what you mean? You mean either you troll or play dumb, I hope. The back buttons on top are for changing VIEWS which he does on YT app. Does Safari back button change views? Come on. Is this his criticism of iOS for the entire 5 videos? Good decision on my part not to watch.
| sausje wrote: | | As for the multitasking part, on android that's indeed regulated by the kernel, wich you can easy pick and change without a major hassle |
Like you'd have any clue.
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Doesn't matter, why have 2 (or more like he says) different spots for back buttons, back is back, no matter what kind of backwards it is......
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| sausje wrote: | | Doesn't matter, why have 2 (or more like he says) different spots for back buttons, back is back, no matter what kind of backwards it is...... |
It is called UI paradigms. If you used iOS for 5 minutes, you pick it up instinctively. It is done for a reason, and is the same in practically all iOS apps - that's my point on consistency.
Here, have a read:
http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#DOCUMENTATION/UserExperience/Conceptual/MobileHIG/Introduction/Introduction.html
http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#DOCUMENTATION/UserExperience/Conceptual/MobileHIG/Introduction/Introduction.html
This is my primary problem with software on Android, Google has not set any clear guidelines, or at least up to 4.0. Now there are guidelines, but first there is the problem of market fragmentation, and second there is no enforcement on Google's part. |
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Yeah, i'm going to read on an Apple website how their design is better for what it does
Not gonna waste 1min of my life on reading an article made by their own company.
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 wrote: | If you even cannot be bothered with reading a site, in wich he has really good arguements about UI design, then stop posting here.
You are clearly prejudged about it all |
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So an article made by own company about their os =/= a user made article.
Their article will NEVER speak about a single bad thing (because that would be just plain stupid).
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I post the two articles not so you read how "superior" they are, but so you understand why things are put where they are put in the UI. This is very clearly explained. But you can't do even that, have a look for one min.
BTW, these two links are not articles, but design guidelines. They do not speak "good" or "bad" about anything. 
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You posted twice the same article..
Anyway still, how is pressing on more locations for the same function better then having 1 location, in YOUR words.
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Oh look, Google has design guidelines too now in Android 4.0+:
http://developer.android.com/design/index.html
You think they put "good" or "bad" there? Not gonna waste 1min of my life on reading an article made by their own company.
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| sausje wrote: | | Anyway still, how is pressing on more locations for the same function better then having 1 location, in YOUR words. |
The fuck you talking about? You do two different ACTIONS. |
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Just watch the damn video and listen to his arguments about it.
You don't want to waste any min of your life right? Then don't be on this forum.
But since you are (virtually 24/7) i'm sure you can watch the video on a second screen or split the browser while browsing here
| LeoNatan wrote: | | sausje wrote: | | Anyway still, how is pressing on more locations for the same function better then having 1 location, in YOUR words. |
The fuck you talking about? You do two different ACTIONS. |
Back means back, no matter how you twist or turn it into other words.
With the youtube app, you are going BACK to your previous "view" of the app, while with the browser you go BACK a page within the app.
It both still means going BACK.
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I think you are confusing me with your friend Sabin. I visit very rarely these days.
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Hey Leo now you know how I feel when I talk to you guys. 
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I assume PC vs. consoles? Well, I don't think you hit a brick wall as this when you talk to me, but if you do, let me know.
Or you mean piracy? I still can't get over the fact you made an analogue between piracy and child pornography. 
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