ssd raid?
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bushwacka




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 02:44    Post subject: ssd raid?
so i need to get a new game/work (adobe cs, bit of video editing) drive and since prices for either 1x256gb or 2x128gb are pretty much the same...is there any good reason not to do it?

oh and 2 other questions:
1. my mobo supports raid, is there anything special to setting up ssd raids or just the same as for normal hdds?
2. from what i've gathered so far, samsung 830 vs crucial m4 = pretty much a coin toss?
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outtanames




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 03:04    Post subject:
There's actually a rumor out there that raiding SSDs is not a recommended because SSD drives are already super fast. Mirror raid is the only thing I can think of that might make sense, but then, you waste precious SSD space. I got a M4 and I'm super happy with it. it's very popular in the variety of SSDs and it's a great performer, can't go wrong with it.


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farne




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 03:06    Post subject:
only problem I can think of with RAID is that if one drive crashes (yeah right, how often does that happen these days) so will the other drive.

I'd get two Plextor M3 Pro's, they're the best 120 gig drives on the market right now.

http://www.sweclockers.com/recension/15250-sex-ssd-enheter-i-120-gb/1 for reference
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bushwacka




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 03:42    Post subject:
from what i've read, the performance actually scales linearly, so raid...ing 2 ssds would give me pretty much double the performance. i already did my homework via google and there's not really a downside afaik. emphasis being on afaik. there has to be a reason why not everybody and his dog are doing this, aside from limited sata connections (i have 8, might as well use them Laughing ).

and considering drive crashes (should it ever happen): couldn't care less, it's fucking games/apps i would just need to reinstall and the actual work files i'm working with on the ssd would be backed up regularly to a hdd
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mach1ne




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 04:10    Post subject:
just make sure your sata controller is up to the task before you spend the money. if you have an older motherboard/sata controller, a single current high-end ssd could be pretty close to maxing it out already (or even bottle-necked by it).
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bushwacka




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 04:30    Post subject:
mobo is an asus p67 sabertooth --> intel p67 express chipset with 2 6Gb/s intel connectors, which aren't exactly bad. (the other 6 are shitty marvell ones)

now to do some (maybe naive?) math: 6Gb/s = throughput of max. 750MB/s. the sammy 830 for example has a max (theoretical, so almost never reached or only with the biggest files) read/write rate of 520/320, so 1040/640 that gets limited to 750/640 IF the 6 Gb/s are the limit of the "whole" sata connector, not an individual port (no clue, does anyone know this?)

so worst case, i lose around 300 MB/s due to sata3 limits, but gain 50% performance

pretty please correct me if i'm wrong here, because i've got a feeling that i am (it's 5am here and i'm brainfucked doing uni work) Laughing
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Frant
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 04:54    Post subject:
Don't you lose TRIM functionality when putting two SSD's in RAID?

Quote:
Intel will add TRIM support for RAID0 in its upcoming drivers in Q2 next year. The TRIM feature will be enabled for RAID0 setups in Intel’s upcoming RST (Rapid Storage Technology) 11.5 driver.


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mach1ne




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 05:35    Post subject:
that math sounds right to me. you could also just go back to the article you read on performance scaling and find out what hardware they used. if it turns out to be a fancy raid controller card, you might be able to find benchmarks of it against your intel chipset so you can know what to expect....or you can just buy the card they used, knowing it will be capable Smile
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rgb#000
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 06:53    Post subject:
@bushwacka
Samsung 830's a great. go for it Wink
i wouldn't do a raid tho, i would get 256gb drive instead of 2x 128gb.
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Werelds
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 08:56    Post subject:
Yes, you do lose TRIM support in RAID. Intel still haven't implemented it.

Besides, RAID-0 has the most effect on sequential speeds, the least interesting part of an SSD.
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BearishSun




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 12:05    Post subject:
You might get a nice boost in speed on paper and in benchmarking programs but you won't feel any impact in real world apps.

I went from an older 120Mb/s SSD to a newer 500mb/s model and I can't feel the difference. The biggest jump is HDD->SSD and from there on its hardly noticeable.

I don't feel its worth the trouble seeing how you get 2x chance of failure and no TRIM.
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Werelds
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 12:10    Post subject:
Again that's because sequential speeds are the least interesting part of SSDs. The reason SSDs are such a huge upgrade is because of random speeds (random read and access times in particular) and that doesn't change much with RAID-0.
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Paintface




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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Jun 2012 19:14    Post subject:
what everyone else said , get a samsung 830 256gb and you wont regret it.
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bxrdj




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PostPosted: Thu, 28th Jun 2012 21:00    Post subject:
best thing to do is two 120gig ssd's at 550MB w/r in raid 0 ... u get 1gb speeds and stability is already there - - - win/win - been running this for 2 years now hahaha epic fast


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Oddmaker
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PostPosted: Fri, 29th Jun 2012 00:01    Post subject:
Anyone know how long an SDD lasts when not using TRIM?


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Slizza




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PostPosted: Fri, 29th Jun 2012 01:01    Post subject:
Oddmaker wrote:
Anyone know how long an SDD lasts when not using TRIM?

The performance will start degrading within a v short period of time.
Depending on your usage and what drive you use, your mileage will vary.


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