A bit old but nonetheless a shocking testimony. What was the real death toll of this war?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
The figures from the Lancet survey and the Opinion Research Business survey might not be fiction.
Well at least this guy has attempted to say 'sorry' for his bullshit. Still, people like this should be held accountable for their actions. The leadership didn't tell them to beat people senseless using their 'choking hand with FU in arabic'. They don't tell them to shoot innocent people either.
This guy/child is the perfect example of why 'young adults' shouldn't be sent out there.
Well at least this guy has attempted to say 'sorry' for his bullshit. Still, people like this should be held accountable for their actions. The leadership didn't tell them to beat people senseless using their 'choking hand with FU in arabic'. They don't tell them to shoot innocent people either.
This guy/child is the perfect example of why 'young adults' shouldn't be sent out there.
Tbh its more an example of people who actually start to realize what they did rather than trying to imagine what they did was justified.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
Funny how people say shit there that it's his own fault for pulling the trigger.
But they have obvious no clue just how much under pressure these guys are...
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Funny how people say shit there that it's his own fault for pulling the trigger.
But they have obvious no clue just how much under pressure these guys are...
They are under pressure, yes. That doesn't mean it is an excuse to beat an innocent person senseless with your 'choking fist of +10 Arabic FU'.
Funny how people say shit there that it's his own fault for pulling the trigger.
But they have obvious no clue just how much under pressure these guys are...
They are under pressure, yes. That doesn't mean it is an excuse to beat an innocent person senseless with your 'choking fist of +10 Arabic FU'.
Very true.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
What about the part where he tells us his commanding officer congratulated him for his 1st kill, for killing an unarmed civilian? These kids were prolly indoctrinated (or inspired?) by media and commanding officers to behave like trigger happy morons.
Funny how people say shit there that it's his own fault for pulling the trigger.
But they have obvious no clue just how much under pressure these guys are...
They are under pressure, yes. That doesn't mean it is an excuse to beat an innocent person senseless with your 'choking fist of +10 Arabic FU'.
Not even if they are told that otherwise their life is going to be a hell?
Easy to talk for you behind that pc screen.
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Did someone forced him to join the marines in the first place? Fucking Call of Duty generation.
Also it's easy to wreck hell far away from home, it will be interesting to see how will American fatties react once troubles reach their own doorstep...
Funny how people say shit there that it's his own fault for pulling the trigger.
But they have obvious no clue just how much under pressure these guys are...
They are under pressure, yes. That doesn't mean it is an excuse to beat an innocent person senseless with your 'choking fist of +10 Arabic FU'.
Not even if they are told that otherwise their life is going to be a hell?
Easy to talk for you behind that pc screen.
Man, even the guy himself said he was a very angry person and had to take it out on stuff. The person he was had nothing to do about being under pressure. They were angry, and took it out on civilians, buildings etc. he even said they like to start firefights, does this sound like a scared guy/group to you? to me they dont.
Did someone forced him to join the marines in the first place?
He maybe wasn't forced by someone but forced because of his situation.
He could had been jobless, desperate in need of cash, then the army is the easy way to money
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So he =/= all the others?
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Did someone forced him to join the marines in the first place?
He maybe wasn't forced by someone but forced because of his situation.
He could had been jobless, desperate in need of cash, then the army is the easy way to money
Funny how people say shit there that it's his own fault for pulling the trigger.
But they have obvious no clue just how much under pressure these guys are...
They are under pressure, yes. That doesn't mean it is an excuse to beat an innocent person senseless with your 'choking fist of +10 Arabic FU'.
Not even if they are told that otherwise their life is going to be a hell?
Easy to talk for you behind that pc screen.
I'm guessing you don't know my history. I'm not going to smash it on you, but I can confidently say that 'I know' and you really have no idea.
What about the part where he tells us his commanding officer congratulated him for his 1st kill, for killing an unarmed civilian? These kids were prolly indoctrinated (or inspired?) by media and commanding officers to behave like trigger happy morons.
There have been limited cases where this has happened, but most officers sure as shit won't do this because they feel like keeping their job. Unlike enlisted people, officers can be 'fired' quite easily.
What about the part where he tells us his commanding officer congratulated him for his 1st kill, for killing an unarmed civilian? These kids were prolly indoctrinated (or inspired?) by media and commanding officers to behave like trigger happy morons.
ohh, and extra points in the book if he stabbed the guy to death.
Not even if they are told that otherwise their life is going to be a hell?
Easy to talk for you behind that pc screen.
I'm guessing you don't know my history. I'm not going to smash it on you, but I can confidently say that 'I know' and you really have no idea.
YOUR history, YOU =/= everyone else eh?
Yes, that is what it must mean.
Sausje and his colorless world of black and white opinion is at it again.
The point being here sausje is that your notion of how the military works is so off-base that you really have no concept of what the reality is for an infantryman at a deployed location.
I know more then enough to say with confidence that the shit going on there is shit that never should see daylight.
It just doesn't make sense for him to do that shit for pleasure and then feel guilty about it (and so with many others).
If someone does something for pleasure, they rarely feel guilty about it, let alone go public and risk even worse consequences
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I know more then enough to say with confidence that the shit going on there is shit that never should see daylight.
It just doesn't make sense for him to do that shit for pleasure and then feel guilty about it (and so with many others).
If someone does something for pleasure, they rarely feel guilty about it, let alone go public and risk even worse consequences
When I talk and walk out in the real world every day I have no doubt that there are many people capable of such horrible things. He went out of his way to be a douchebag. The stress of being deployed didn't help - Sure. That is an unacceptable excuse when many many many other people besides him who (I can assure you) have been under more stressful conditions don't take their stress/anger/fear out on innocent people.
But again, this is why people less then the age of 30 should not be deployed for jobs outside the wire. You don't know how a young person is going to react.
He was gung-ho young and dumb kid who is now older and realizes he was (But likely still is mind you) a horrible person. Better yet is how he 'blames' the Marines / Military / Government for him making the elective choice to do the horrible things that he did. No one ordered him to shoot that man. No one ordered him to put that stupid tatoo on his hand. No one ordered him to beat men senseless when conducting home raids. He did it out of his own free will.
Even worse is how he 'came out with it' but seems to almost defer any responsibility for his actions onto the government. Like it's the governments fault he is such a wicked person or something. When again, no 'official' from the government told him to do any of those horrible things he did. The governments crime is giving such a young idiot a gun. To that extent the government is at fault.
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Well sure there are maniacs out there that just do shit for plain fun, but to turn themselfs in like that infront of the media... that's something really fucking rare.
As for his anger, no doubt other shit happend aswell, i presume these soldiers are mentally screened before they are able to join the army.
So if he was a maniac that gets off on killing people just for plain fun, surely it would had been detected then.
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Well sure there are maniacs out there that just do shit for plain fun, but to turn themselfs in like that infront of the media... that's something really fucking rare.
As for his anger, no doubt other shit happend aswell, i presume these soldiers are mentally screened before they are able to join the army.
So if he was a maniac that gets off on killing people just for plain fun, surely it would had been detected then.
No, they aren't screened.
The only people 'screened' are people who join special duties / special forces related careers. Hence why these people typically handle themselves far better under stress.
And the Marines is a different entity from the Army FYI.
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