New monitor - advice needed!
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KGen




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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jun 2011 15:40    Post subject: New monitor - advice needed!
I'm using a 19" 1280x1024 LCD monitor for 5 years now, and had a 19" CRT before that for quite some time as well...got pretty used to the size. Recently I've been thinking of upgrading to enhance somewhat the gaming experience (not watching movies on this screen, have a 32" for that).

So what size would you recommend this days? Consider I have a 5850 card and so I'd like to still be able to play all games on maximum settings as I got accustomed to Very Happy

So I've seen 21.5", 22", 23"...all 1920x1080 I think.

Thanks


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jun 2011 16:51    Post subject:
for 1080 i would recommend 23-24 inch , BENQ or SAMSUNG.

26 is already too big. but anything smaller than 23 inch the pixels are too small.
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jun 2011 16:58    Post subject:
Nonsense, I've had my 22" 1080p monitor for almost 2 years now, and I'm still quite happy with it. I'm quite fond of the high pixel density, another factor which makes my old 1680x1050 20" look like shit Smile

I would go for 1080p or 1920x1200, starting at 22"; see what feels good for you in a store. 26" is too big indeed for me, but 24" would be ideal I think.

As for your GPU: a 5850 is plenty for 1080p Smile
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jun 2011 17:02    Post subject:
I've grow attached to a 24" at 1920x1200..anything else looks too small or too big.

plus its nice to play games in window mode at 1920x1080..so I can have the task bar below it for quick access without having to hide it, or have it always on top popping in front of the games.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jun 2011 17:40    Post subject:
Well, there is this pretty awesome DELL U2311H monitor, quite recommended by many.
23" is not too big? I have some doubts 5850 will handle the resolution (1920 x 1080) plus I'm not watching movies on it, is there any advantage to such size otherwise (I understand it would be nice for work since you could fit 2 windows size by size, but I don't need it for that). I would hate wasting money on a new big monitor just to have to lower the graphical settings in games.

Edit: Also, how well games support this resolution? I wouldn't want black bars and such.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jun 2011 17:43    Post subject:
KGen wrote:
Well, there is this pretty awesome DELL U2311H monitor, quite recommended by many.
23" is not too big? I have some doubts 5850 will handle the resolution (1920 x 1080) plus I'm not watching movies on it, is there any advantage to such size otherwise (I understand it would be nice for work since you could fit 2 windows size by size, but I don't need it for that). I would hate wasting money on a new big monitor just to have to lower the graphical settings in games.


I ran this 24" on a 5850 with 1920x1200 on games and it was fine. long as you aren't trying to do the 16xAA and such I never had framerate issues with that card on it, all games ran 30-40+ fps on it.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jun 2011 18:05    Post subject:
http://www.iiyama.com/gb_en/products/prolite-e2473hds-1/

ProLite E2473HDS

The ProLite E2473HDS LED-backlit monitor, finished in the latest glossy-black, is a full high definition 24" display that features all the benefits this technology affords. The high specifications of the monitor include the 5,000,000:1 ACR, triple input connectivity (D-Sub, DVI-D, 2 x HDMI) and fast 2ms response for excellent sharpness in high definition video. VESA mount compatibility along with one HDMI input and headphone connector on the side of the cabinet ensures great comfort of usage.



A friend of mine bought this the other day and is amazed at the quality.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jun 2011 18:15    Post subject:
|DXWarlock wrote:
I ran this 24" on a 5850 with 1920x1200 on games and it was fine. long as you aren't trying to do the 16xAA and such I never had framerate issues with that card on it, all games ran 30-40+ fps on it.


I see, thanks for help, I might give it a try soon.

@Frant Looks nice but it is not sold locally here, and I wouldn't like to ship one from abroad.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jun 2011 19:02    Post subject:
Get 120hz monitor, they are cheap these days and gives nice boost for gaming (very noticiable difference compared to 60hz LCD).
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jun 2011 19:07    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
Get 120hz monitor, they are cheap these days and gives nice boost for gaming (very noticiable difference compared to 60hz LCD).


I didn't see much difference unless it was with v sync off and pushing over 60fps on a 60hz
causing the 'tearing" otherwise at 40 FPS or so..it doesn't look any different.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jun 2011 19:27    Post subject:
You realize that on 120 hz monitor if you use Vsync, you are capped at 120 fps? There is no tearing. Assuming the game runs at 120 fps ofcourse. Sick difference in multiplayer games like CS:S which really can run at 120 fps capped.
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jun 2011 19:30    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
Get 120hz monitor, they are cheap these days and gives nice boost for gaming (very noticiable difference compared to 60hz LCD).


Yeah, I wish I had the money for 120hz monitor and 3D gaming...but that's out of my reach. The Dell monitor I mentioned has IPS panel and costs 200 euros only.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jun 2011 19:57    Post subject:
I would recommend the Dell Ultrasharp U2311H - http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-9270&~ck=baynoteSearch&baynote_bnrank=1&baynote_irrank=0

http://www.testfreaks.com/monitors/dell-ultrasharp-u2311h/

NVM, Just saw you had considered the U2311H, definitely go with that mate doesnt come better for that price with a panel like that.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jun 2011 20:19    Post subject:
Mutantius wrote:
I would recommend the Dell Ultrasharp U2311H - http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-9270&~ck=baynoteSearch&baynote_bnrank=1&baynote_irrank=0

http://www.testfreaks.com/monitors/dell-ultrasharp-u2311h/

NVM, Just saw you had considered the U2311H, definitely go with that mate doesnt come better for that price with a panel like that.


Yeah, thanks. I'm pretty confident with that choice, looks awesome. I was just not sure 5850 will hold on...it's 61% more pixels, which is substantial. You could argue that if a game runs at 60 fps at the 1280x1024 resolution it would run at less than 30 fps on the new resolution.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jun 2011 20:43    Post subject:
KGen wrote:
Mutantius wrote:
I would recommend the Dell Ultrasharp U2311H - http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-9270&~ck=baynoteSearch&baynote_bnrank=1&baynote_irrank=0

http://www.testfreaks.com/monitors/dell-ultrasharp-u2311h/

NVM, Just saw you had considered the U2311H, definitely go with that mate doesnt come better for that price with a panel like that.


Yeah, thanks. I'm pretty confident with that choice, looks awesome. I was just not sure 5850 will hold on...it's 61% more pixels, which is substantial. You could argue that if a game runs at 60 fps at the 1280x1024 resolution it would run at less than 30 fps on the new resolution.


But then modern graphic cards doesn't work like that, ie. they don't work 61% more just because you increase the resolution. The GPU calculates geometry, textures, lighting, shaders etc.. then send the composed scene to the rasterisers who do the actual pixel-drawing. Anti-aliasing, Anisotropic Filtering will however work with 61% more data, but those are settings you can tune. And a 5850 should be able to do that just fine.

Besides, now you have a reason for a future GPU-upgrade. Smug


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jun 2011 20:50    Post subject:
At 1280x1024 you won't even be using 10% of your 5850's power. At that resolution your CPU is holding your GPU back like CRAZY.
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Jun 2011 21:06    Post subject:
Good points guys, thanks for help


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PostPosted: Wed, 24th Aug 2011 18:37    Post subject:
Any thoughts on the ASUS VE278Q? Its stats practically satisfy me. It has a large screen, FullHD, and all the other marketing bedazzle. Originally, I was aiming at a 3D monitor, but that idea was eventually trashed out in the garbage - I'm a no fan of 3D gaming and if I ever bought one, I'd probably not have used it for any 3D-related media at all at end of its life cycle.
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PostPosted: Wed, 24th Aug 2011 23:08    Post subject:
Dell one looks amazing, plus it has IPS panel which is far superior to TN in color reproduction and viewing angle...

EDIT: Plus it's fucking cheap! Here it's just ~200€!!! Me wants!!!!! xD Sad


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PostPosted: Wed, 24th Aug 2011 23:14    Post subject:
I was specifically asking for opinions on the ASUS... Smile
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PostPosted: Wed, 24th Aug 2011 23:34    Post subject:
One of the few good 27" displays H_S. Still, it's TN, so prepare for crappy viewing angles and "meh" black levels. Contrast and colours on this one are good though, for once Smile
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PostPosted: Wed, 24th Aug 2011 23:46    Post subject:
Thanks, Werelds. Smile My current monitor is also TN-paneled so these two drawbacks you mentioned aren't going to be much of a deal to me, personally. So, the ASUS it is then. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed, 24th Aug 2011 23:56    Post subject:
Honestly, things are different with a 27" monitor, depending on how far away you sit Razz

With "good" colours I mean for a TN panel monitor btw, compared to a decent IPS monitor they're still pretty bad Wink
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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Aug 2011 00:14    Post subject:
dell 30" @ 2560x1600 = heaven Wink


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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Aug 2011 02:05    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
http://www.iiyama.com/gb_en/products/prolite-e2473hds-1/

ProLite E2473HDS

The ProLite E2473HDS LED-backlit monitor, finished in the latest glossy-black, is a full high definition 24" display that features all the benefits this technology affords. The high specifications of the monitor include the 5,000,000:1 ACR, triple input connectivity (D-Sub, DVI-D, 2 x HDMI) and fast 2ms response for excellent sharpness in high definition video. VESA mount compatibility along with one HDMI input and headphone connector on the side of the cabinet ensures great comfort of usage.



A friend of mine bought this the other day and is amazed at the quality.


What the fuck is prolite ?
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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Aug 2011 12:52    Post subject:
b0se wrote:
Frant wrote:
http://www.iiyama.com/gb_en/products/prolite-e2473hds-1/

ProLite E2473HDS

The ProLite E2473HDS LED-backlit monitor, finished in the latest glossy-black, is a full high definition 24" display that features all the benefits this technology affords. The high specifications of the monitor include the 5,000,000:1 ACR, triple input connectivity (D-Sub, DVI-D, 2 x HDMI) and fast 2ms response for excellent sharpness in high definition video. VESA mount compatibility along with one HDMI input and headphone connector on the side of the cabinet ensures great comfort of usage.



A friend of mine bought this the other day and is amazed at the quality.


What the fuck is prolite ?


The model-series.


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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Aug 2011 13:24    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
Honestly, things are different with a 27" monitor, depending on how far away you sit Razz

With "good" colours I mean for a TN panel monitor btw, compared to a decent IPS monitor they're still pretty bad Wink


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PostPosted: Mon, 5th Sep 2011 23:44    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
You realize that on 120 hz monitor if you use Vsync, you are capped at 120 fps? There is no tearing. Assuming the game runs at 120 fps ofcourse. Sick difference in multiplayer games like CS:S which really can run at 120 fps capped.


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Anybody who claims they cant see a difference above 60fps has never been exposed to a 120Hz monitor and are just going by what they read from forum posts. Games running vsynced at 120fps on a 120hz monitor will make any gamer drool



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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Sep 2011 01:08    Post subject:
How much of a difference do you guys think the quality difference will be between an old LG L194WT and let's say a ProLite E2473HDS? I know it's a weird question ("don't you have eyes ffs"), but I can't really compare side by side since my old monitor is ancient. I'm thinking about going for a LED, but I doubt they'll be cheap (200 euros at most) and of prime quality (new tech and all) within a year.
So will the upgrade to a new monitor with all new shiny specs be worth the moniez when IQ is considered?
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PostPosted: Tue, 6th Sep 2011 10:08    Post subject:
@ Mister_s: yes. That old L194WT has fairly good colours, but terrible brightness, contrast and a good 3 frames input lag on average. Not to mention that the 24" has a higher resolution obviously.

@ timechange/Breezer: you don't have tearing on any monitor with VSync on. That's the whole bloody point of VSync. Tearing doesn't occur at 40 FPS on a 60 Hz monitor, it occurs at 60+ FPS on a 60 Hz monitor.
Likewise, if you run CS at 300 FPS on a 120 Hz monitor you'll still get screen tearing if you don't have VSync turned on.

It will run smoother if you don't have to VSync to 60 obviously (although in some games that can also have an adverse effect), but some people also find 120 Hz unpleasant so it's just not for everyone. Just like with 3D, although to a much lesser degree.
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