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Ronhrin
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 Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 02:56 Post subject: Re: FUCKING BASTARDS!!! [Alien remake] :(:(:( |
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I can understand your anger, believe me, but what surprises me is the fact that you are actually surprised about it, I mean, I would be surprised if they didn't do it!
Hollywood production value and originality has gone to an absolute 0, but their desire to make money is growing larger every year, so, they can only really turn in to two places to make their movies, remakes of old hollywood or Asian movies, or adaption of newly released books.
I sometimes joke about the fact that I should start writing movie scripts for them, but when thinking seriously about it, I really come to understand that I could write a far better script when drunk, than 99.9% of the crap hollywood producers write in the maximal point of their lucidity!
It's really a shame when you think the amount of money they waste on those things that imo, don't even deserve the designation of a movie, and then you think that with 1/4 of that money you could produce something so much better and ORIGINAL, (something hollywood has forgotten a long long time ago)!!
Another thing that particularly enrages me to a much lesser degree is the fact that I'm so tired of watching the same actors and actresses over and over again in different roles, I mean, I know they have to earn their money and all, but it's something that really annoys me, when I watch a movie, aside from the plot itself, I really feel the need to identify the character traits that make me relate or despise a certain character and when you watch the same actor in a zillion different roles, that is just not possible, at least for me.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 04:36 Post subject: |
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PG13 + blonde woman with big boobs , throw in a gangsta rapper wanting to be an actor write a shit script = profit
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 04:39 Post subject: |
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If they would use actual new talented young directors to remake a few movies it could be alright I guess (and let them run with it), just like in theater classic pieces are redone on a regular basis.
But of they will use a Hollywood shill director who does the axe work for Hollywood producers without a grain of talent in him, then it will be shit.
Looking back at a few Hollywood remakes this hardly ever happened, but you gotta look on the positive side =).
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 05:12 Post subject: |
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Ridley Scott producing ... what's with these director's being so casual about remaking their classics? I'm thinking John Carpenter as well ...
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 06:01 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | Ridley Scott producing ... what's with these director's being so casual about remaking their classics? I'm thinking John Carpenter as well ... |
ridley handpicked the guy. so it could be good.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 07:09 Post subject: |
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Why remake Alien? Its a masterpiece and it doesn't even look that dated.
I'm waiting for when George Lucas dies, someone takes over his company and decides to remake the original Star Wars trilogy.....that will be the end of it all 
I wouldn't never watch a Star Wars remake outta principle as I would never watch an Aline remake outta principle.
Alien is fine and can't be improved on. Unless they can get back the original cast, same age, EXACT same story (word for word) it will suck.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 07:15 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | Ridley Scott producing ... what's with these director's being so casual about remaking their classics? I'm thinking John Carpenter as well ... |
With the benefit of hindsight you recognise that most things can be improved, the point is that the original won't lose any of it's value just because it's been remade. If anything it'll allow a new generation to appreciate it far more.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 07:25 Post subject: |
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great news.Alien has aged badly.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 07:25 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | nouseforaname wrote: | | Ridley Scott producing ... what's with these director's being so casual about remaking their classics? I'm thinking John Carpenter as well ... |
With the benefit of hindsight you recognise that most things can be improved, the point is that the original won't lose any of it's value just because it's been remade. If anything it'll allow a new generation to appreciate it far more. |
I get your stance on it. But fuck, the younger people/kids can always go rent the original Alien.
Like I said, it doesn't feel dated. |
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 08:13 Post subject: |
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| Laurentiu499 wrote: | | great news.Alien has aged badly. |
BULLSHIT!
| SycoShaman wrote: | | Alien is fine and can't be improved on. Unless they can get back the original cast, same age, EXACT same story (word for word) it will suck. |
Scene-by-scene remakes SUCK. See Psycho and others.
It could be worse than an origin story, it could be a remake. After the crap Ressurection, even more crap AvP, and totally crap AvP2, I think I will steer clear of this.
This news pisses me off, Hollywood can once and for all go fuck themselves. |
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 08:24 Post subject: |
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| Parallax_ wrote: | | Laurentiu499 wrote: | | great news.Alien has aged badly. |
BULLSHIT!
| SycoShaman wrote: | | Alien is fine and can't be improved on. Unless they can get back the original cast, same age, EXACT same story (word for word) it will suck. |
Scene-by-scene remakes SUCK. See Psycho and others.
It could be worse than an origin story, it could be a remake. After the crap Ressurection, even more crap AvP, and totally crap AvP2, I think I will steer clear of this.
This news pisses me off, Hollywood can once and for all go fuck themselves. |
Agreed. Hollywood is fucking itself over with all these remakes of films that aren't that old.
Its one thing to remake a movie from say the 50's...but the 80's? No need.
As for Alien, it would have to be a scene by scene remake or else it would blow. You can't improve on Alien's story or dialogue.
And my fear is they will do something along the lines of the new Star Trek.
Cast young people who are all either A-List celebs or men and women who could or are models.
Sigorney Weaver is hot but she looks like she could be the character.
I could take seeing her replaced by some dumb 25 year old broad who has the standard 36C tits, standard H-Wood body and then having her try to be a tough as nails gal.
Alien doesn't need a remake. Its fine the way it is. |
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 09:27 Post subject: |
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I'd like to see a remake of "Gone with the wind"  with laser guns and bugs attacking Atlanta, something like "Starship Troopers".
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 10:03 Post subject: |
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Wait, what?
Someone is making something and you're mad?
Why exactly?
The original will still be there. vOv
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 11:06 Post subject: |
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These great movies are more than mere moving pictures, they are almost regarded as a cultural heritage by many people. A remake is a big "fuck you" in the eyes of those who regard them as such. IMHO.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 12:17 Post subject: |
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its taking something important and amazing to a lot of people, and reducing it to an empty money making tool... so yeah.. it is saying a big fuck you not only to the people who loved the original, but also a big fuck you to the people who worked on the original...conceived of it and brought it to life...
i mean some films DO suck out loud even though they have good concepts, so remakes make SENSE for those... but alien and especially aliens (which i assume will be fucking next ), were flawless, and theres simply no need for a remake EVEN just to update the effects, which even today still look fantastic for the most part.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 12:34 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | So Mr. Anonymous is back again. And being that 20th Century Fox is remaking Predator, it doesn't surprise me at all that Fox is also going back to their catalog for a reboot of Ridley Scott's Alien.
What our tipster informed us is that - opposite the Predator situation - the plan is to stick with the original concept of only one alien on the ship.
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Ease up guys. It says it's gonna be a reboot of the series ( like the new Star Trek ) not a remake ...
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 12:41 Post subject: |
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| helvete wrote: | | These great movies are more than mere moving pictures, they are almost regarded as a cultural heritage by many people. A remake is a big "fuck you" in the eyes of those who regard them as such. IMHO. |
Naw, that's a load of cockadoodle.
No appreciation of anything is diminished by someone creating a lesser version of it.
If that were the case, all who aspired to be the next Picasso, Coppola, etc. would be destroying all forms of art by trying to be like their sources of inspiration.
If you cannot enjoy Alien as much because of this movie being made, then you should really question why you enjoyed it in the first place.
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chiv
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 12:49 Post subject: |
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| dominae wrote: | | helvete wrote: | | These great movies are more than mere moving pictures, they are almost regarded as a cultural heritage by many people. A remake is a big "fuck you" in the eyes of those who regard them as such. IMHO. |
Naw, that's a load of cockadoodle.
No appreciation of anything is diminished by someone creating a lesser version of it.
If that were the case, all who aspired to be the next Picasso, Coppola, etc. would be destroying all forms of art by trying to be like their sources of inspiration.
If you cannot enjoy Alien as much because of this movie being made, then you should really question why you enjoyed it in the first place. |
your analogy would be correct if people actually started using the same style and recreating the same pieces of ART by Picasso... we are talking about taking someones idea, and re-doing it... NOT being influenced by them, and using similar styles to do their own thing.
i don't think the appreciation of the original work is in any way diminished by remakes - that train of thought has always seemed silly to me, BUT i do believe that it is still an insult to take a piece of work loved by so many, and reduce it to a mere money making tool, the thought being that a new version can be much better than the beloved original. |
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 13:10 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: |
your analogy would be correct if people actually started using the same style and recreating the same pieces of ART by Picasso...
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No man, for something to evolve you have to do something different. Otherwise you'll just be a copycat. And while copying original art is a great way of learning - it is also a way to limit yourself in your creative process.
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we are talking about taking someones idea, and re-doing it... NOT being influenced by them, and using similar styles to do their own thing. |
How can you NOT be influenced by the originals in a remake? Your reasoning is flawed.
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i don't think the appreciation of the original work is in any way diminished by remakes - that train of thought has always seemed silly to me, BUT i do believe that it is still an insult to take a piece of work loved by so many, and reduce it to a mere money making tool, the thought being that a new version can be much better than the beloved original. |
An insult? I disagree. Allow me to paraphraze an old cliché: "Imitation is the greatest form of compliment". The creators choice is impeccable, Alien is one of the most epic horror-stories of our times. Created beautifully. So someone is inspired by it and want to do their own thing with it; why be mad about it? Seriously, do you lead such a limited life that you need to waste energy on someone making a film that you may not like? Come on. Even if it turns out to be a shit movie (like eg. AvP & AvP 2) - it's still something creative. And yes, even when it's created with "making money" in it's conception; it is still creative.
Go create something of your own instead of being frustrated about someone doing it. Regardless of how you feel about what they create. Do people think that any aspiring director starts out by making awesome movies? Or is it a creative process?
As always though, feel free to criticise and call it shit when it arrives and inevitably will be shit. =]
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helvete
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 13:26 Post subject: |
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| dominae wrote: | | helvete wrote: | | These great movies are more than mere moving pictures, they are almost regarded as a cultural heritage by many people. A remake is a big "fuck you" in the eyes of those who regard them as such. IMHO. |
Naw, that's a load of cockadoodle.
No appreciation of anything is diminished by someone creating a lesser version of it.
If that were the case, all who aspired to be the next Picasso, Coppola, etc. would be destroying all forms of art by trying to be like their sources of inspiration.
If you cannot enjoy Alien as much because of this movie being made, then you should really question why you enjoyed it in the first place. |
What is a load of cockadoodle? My opinion on the reason behind the hate on remakes, or my own stance on remakes? I never stated my stance, but that seems to be what you argue against.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 13:29 Post subject: |
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| helvete wrote: |
What is a load of cockadoodle? My opinion on the reason behind the hate on remakes, or my own stance on remakes? |
The reasoning behind the hate on remakes.
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chiv
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 13:48 Post subject: |
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| dominae wrote: |
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we are talking about taking someones idea, and re-doing it... NOT being influenced by them, and using similar styles to do their own thing. |
How can you NOT be influenced by the originals in a remake? Your reasoning is flawed.
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all im doing here is trying to clarify that there is a difference between being influenced by someones work, and whats involved in a remake. im not saying that a remake DOES NOT incorporate influence by the original artist. |
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 16:35 Post subject: |
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I think its great. If it sucks, it sucks. Just pretend it never happened.
Put things in perspective, its just a movie.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 17:00 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: |
all im doing here is trying to clarify that there is a difference between being influenced by someones work, and whats involved in a remake. im not saying that a remake DOES NOT incorporate influence by the original artist. |
Dude, your clarification is as diffuse as your argument. Just drop it and move on with your life.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th May 2009 18:08 Post subject: |
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Trying to remeber any remakes I've seen and I can't think of any, there is Star Wars and those added scenes, except for Jabba the Hut scene they where crap.
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Fucking blasphemy..
