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Posted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 04:05 Post subject: My Response To Trion Worlds |
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Got an email yesterday saying that my 7 day subscription to RIFT was up. I found that odd since I never re-subscribed after my initial trial period in April when i bought the game.
I sent support an email asking whether this was some free promotion, or whether my account had been compromised as I couldn't find any sort of billing history page.
Support shot me back a generic copy and paste "call us to verify your identity and we'll help you get back your account". It's obvious they never read my questions.
I was bored. What follows is my response to Trion Support -
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Hello Mani A,
Thank you for your wonderfully insightful copy-and-paste response!
Unfortunately it didn't seem to address either of my questions. Fortunately for you however, I went above and beyond the call of duty as a non-paid, non-employee of Trion Worlds (aka customer) and dug up the answers to my own questions (at no charge!). What follows is a summary, both for your benefit (assistance in reading and actually answering a question, rather than just copying a macro response), and mine (archival purposes).
Apparently, my account was accessed on June 13th, and a free trial code applied. I find it quite puzzling that a 7 day-free trial code would work on a paid game account (I've already purchased the game, why would I need a free trial?). As to whether any items or currency was taken, while I'd have to guess yes, there's no way of me finding out for certain without ponying up another $15 dollars to resubscribe and find out. To be quite frank, I can think of a great many things I'd rather waste that money on.
Now that I've answered my own question, I'd like to take the next several paragraphs to offer some suggestions that may help improve both your performance as well as Trion World's security measures.
1. How would verifying my identity help answer my original questions of whether my account was illegally accessed and any items stolen? I'm no social engineer, but I'm fairly certain that if I was the Chinese gold-farmer that brute-forced his way past a 16 character alpha-numeric password into an account (see point 2), and applied a readily available 7 day trial key to an already purchased game account (see point 3), I would not be contacting support to ask whether they had noticed my activities. There's an ever so slight gap in the logic circuit there. Not to mention, my English is fairly good for someone who apparently has never left mainland China, wouldn't you say?
2. Why is it that there is no limit to the number of login attempts that can be made before a forced waiting period/e-mail notification to the email on file/ forced confirmation procedure is implemented? I find it hard to believe that the security measures taken by the cheapest of porn sites (Captcha, login attempt limit, IP access limit) trumps that of an apparently respectable company such as Trion Worlds. Maybe you guys need to take a break and surf the seedy parts of the net for a bit to get some ideas? I doubt any of the employees would object to a "Surf Porn for Security Day!" Just a thought.
3. Why would a readily available 7-day free trial key work on a purchased game account? I've already shelled out $50 to buy the game, why would I shy away for paying a measly $15 to check out if I wanted to play it again later on? The only purpose those codes serve is to give Chinese gold farmers free access to compromised accounts. I highly doubt that Mr. Wang would be able to enter a valid credit card or payment details, even if he HAD successfully brute forced his way past that 16 character alpha numeric password.
Also, you may want to consider sending a confirmation email to customers when their lapsed account is reactivated, just to be on the safe side, you know? That way they'd immediately know that something fishy is up, rather than finding out 7 days later, by an email asking for a re-subscription because the current one is up. Makes sense, no?
Well Mani, I hope you enjoyed the read (assuming you did read it). I took quite a bit of my own time to think this out and type it up. Hopefully my suggestions help either you or Trion improve in some way. As a side-note, it would have taken you a few minutes at most to answer the original question, certainly far less time than it took you to read this or me to type it.
At the time of this writing I've since changed my password, and "reclaimed" my account (or what's left of it). That said, any chance of me resubscribing in the future is highly unlikely.
While I'm no longer in need of your assistance, I do look forward to your copy and paste reply (even though I think I already know what it's going to say!) Also, if the guys at Trion ever happen to be hiring in the future, shoot me a line, you've got my info. I'm not exactly a people person (as you may have gathered), but I've got great writing
skills, plenty of good ideas, and the sense to back both up!
It's been a pleasure,
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Victim of A Chinese Gold Farmer and Gamer Extraordinaire
Working Stiff Inc.
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I had fun writing it , and hopefully I wasted someone's time (namely the waste of space responsible for the generic copy and paste reply). I also think my ideas are pretty fucking common sense and am curious as to why no MMO company implements measures such as those.
edit - fixed formatting, stupid notepad 
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Posted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 14:59 Post subject: |
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You sure showed him. I can already imagine Mani cowering in a corner.
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Posted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 15:14 Post subject: |
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I wonder what the answer will be, if any...
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Posted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 16:57 Post subject: |
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I got a similar mail even though I canceled my subscription 2 months ago
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Posted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 17:34 Post subject: |
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I work in this field, and i have to say: We just ignore all that shit and look for specific words.
You can have all the monologues you want, lol.
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Posted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 19:39 Post subject: |
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do you know what would be really fucking hilarious.
if you got a response with that same copy/paste bullshit answer
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Posted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 19:46 Post subject: |
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I have to say that's not uncommon. =D
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Posted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 20:22 Post subject: |
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@immunity: awesome comeback! Thanx for sharing!!! 
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Posted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 21:30 Post subject: |
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chiv wrote: | do you know what would be really fucking hilarious.
if you got a response with that same copy/paste bullshit answer
FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
And that is indeed exactly what I got. Here's the response...
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Hello XX,
Thank you for contacting us regarding RIFT.
I apologize for the miscommunication. I asked you to phone-in to secure the account/verify ownership, because it would allow us to investigate any foreign IPs that were accessing the account (procedure). The thought of someone other than yourself making any changes to your account was concerning. I investigated further and it appears that it wasn't a 7-day trial that was applied to the account. Our automated system had simply activated promotional free game-time to all inactive accounts.
However, I do appreciated your feedback regarding "limiting the number of log-ins attempts". Our system does in fact lock users out after repeated failed login attempts. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to let us know. Thank you for your continued support of Trion Worlds and for playing RIFT. Your reference number for this ticket is XXXXXXXX
Sincerely,
Mani A.
Account & Technical Support
Trion Worlds Inc.
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Son of a bitch! Oh well, at least the account wasn't compromised and he went the extra mile and actually checked.
xTerro wrote: |
I work in this field, and i have to say: We just ignore all that shit and look for specific words.
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That's not cool man. Have you ever tried actually reading the questions in their entirety and composing a thought out response rather than copy-and pasting?
I guarantee you that customers would respond more favorably, even if their problem wasn't entirely solved initially, if they knew they were talking to a person that gave a shit (or at least appeared to give a shit), rather than one that was copy and pasting generic responses to save time.
That's what nets the CS industry all the hate and angry customers, the generic responses.
I remember way back when Everquest GM's would actually talk to you about whatever issue you were having, a conversation rather than reading out of a book. Best support there ever was.
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Posted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 22:00 Post subject: |
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Nope, that's a misconception. For the most part, the templates contain the answer to the customers questions.
In general, when you get a canned response asking for whatever more information, is because you either:
a. Failed to provide it in your original report. This happens ALL the time.
b. We need it to verify your account. So many people create accounts from separate email addresses, under different names, etc. We don't use crystal balls, we need correct information to find in our databases.
Sorry but getting through a few hundred customers a day isn't as easy as you might think. Appearing to give a shit, as you put it, is overrated. Would you rather get very touchy templates such as: "We are so very sorry for inconveniencing you. We beg for your forgiveness, it was never our intention to X"? It doesn't work like that, it's not our job to make friends with you or write novels for every customer in particular.
It wastes both our time and yours. The reply you got from that rep is pretty much to the point.
You send in your report. He asks for you to confirm that it's your account, you do what he says, he solves your problem and lets you know.
So many customers have the impression that they're being given a run around, but the fact is: We know better what's going on, answer our questions when we ask them and we'll solve your issue in no time. You think it's cool to open up a new incident and see a wall of text all in caps lock to whatever minuscule issue that you could solve in 20 seconds, had you not had to read 10 paragraphs of convoluted misinformation?
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Posted: Thu, 21st Jul 2011 23:04 Post subject: |
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You had a free week and thats why You got the email telling you that your subscription was over. Every rift player got that.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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